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Post by Opti on Aug 16, 2017 8:05:04 GMT -5
(I am surprised they are stunned, except for perhaps Kelly)
www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/he-went-rogue-president-trump-s-staff-stunned-after-latest-n793091
Chief of Staff John Kelly stared at the floor, arms crossed. It wasn’t supposed to be like this.
In front of him, President Donald Trump was in the middle of reigniting an explosive controversy the White House had tried to extinguish just a day earlier.
After a split-second came the query: "Does the statue of Robert E. Lee stay up?”
The ensuing exchange inside the lobby of Trump Tower between reporters and the president over the white nationalist rally and counter-protest in Charlottesville became one of the most extraordinary moments in a presidency that’s seen plenty of them.
Is this business as usual for Trump or is this on the order of the Billy Bush issue?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 16, 2017 8:06:29 GMT -5
It's so hard to keep up on all the Trump bashing threads!!! So little time!
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2017 8:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 8:17:51 GMT -5
It's so hard to keep up on all the Trump bashing threads!!! So little time! I give up. Life is short. Basically getting back to playing the stock markets and making some large coin right now. All this nonsense is noise with the economy running in the fast lane. Time to make some serious change. Yesterday they had an idiot commit suicide on one of the commuter rail tracks and shut down the trains for early rush hour. Commuters were using Uber and Lyft to get rides to work. Due to "demand pricing', based on demand of the calls, the drivers were posted at the $75 range for distances of about two to three miles or so, and the mass commuter riders were crying, GOUGING! One rider needed a ride to the airport. $150........ The local stations never mentioned the cab system where rates are locked in. I guess the upper class people refuse to use a cab these days. Pay the regular rate, tip the cabbie an extra $20 and come out $40 ahead. These are the type of things the liberals should be worried about, but when the liberals own the cities, it is such a small price to pay for maintaining their false lifestyles.
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Post by Opti on Aug 16, 2017 8:32:23 GMT -5
After VB's deflection runs its course, my question stands. Is this another incident for Trump like the Billy Bush tape?
I think it is. While I agree some of the counter protesters went for non-peaceful reasons, it was possible to condemn all those that went for violence and be thankful for those who did not.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 8:36:51 GMT -5
After VB's deflection runs its course, my question stands. Is this another incident for Trump like the Billy Bush tape?
I think it is. While I agree some of the counter protesters went for non-peaceful reasons, it was possible to condemn all those that went for violence and be thankful for those who did not. Deflection? The liberal left has been all deflection 24/7 I brought up the Uber Issue because the left controls major city life across the country, control the cab systems, while currently destroying it through local laws and procedures, while allowing Uber and Lyft to do whatever they want, and allowing price gouging of their citizens.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 16, 2017 8:40:59 GMT -5
this business as usual for Trump?
I think so. I am wondering if Kelly will realize that trump IS the problem... Not the staff, not anything else. Will he continue trying to bring some sense if order to the chaos?
DH says his trump supporting friends on FB no longer post about him. They post about their dogs, their kids, anything except trump. Guess I'd be trying to change the subject too if I had voted for such a disaster.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 16, 2017 8:42:13 GMT -5
After VB's deflection runs its course, my question stands. Is this another incident for Trump like the Billy Bush tape?
I think it is. While I agree some of the counter protesters went for non-peaceful reasons, it was possible to condemn all those that went for violence and be thankful for those who did not. I think he'll see the same long term effects from this as he did the Billy Bush tape. Which is to say, none.
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Post by Opti on Aug 16, 2017 8:44:24 GMT -5
After VB's deflection runs its course, my question stands. Is this another incident for Trump like the Billy Bush tape?
I think it is. While I agree some of the counter protesters went for non-peaceful reasons, it was possible to condemn all those that went for violence and be thankful for those who did not. Deflection? The liberal left has been all deflection 24/7 I brought up the Uber Issue because the left controls major city life across the country, control the cab systems, while currently destroying it through local laws and procedures, while allowing Uber and Lyft to do whatever they want, and allowing price gouging of their citizens. You brought up the issue to derail the thread. You could start a thread on that, but you'd rather not because you netted some fish.
I don't know where you get your news, but I'm finding out interesting things by watching clips of John Oliver and others.
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Post by Opti on Aug 16, 2017 8:45:52 GMT -5
this business as usual for Trump? I think so. I am wondering if Kelly will realize that trump IS the problem... Not the staff, not anything else. Will he continue trying to bring some sense if order to the chaos? DH says his trump supporting friends on FB no longer post about him. They post about their dogs, their kids, anything except trump. Guess I'd be trying to change the subject too if I had voted for such a disaster. I agree Trump is the problem. He won't be reigned in because he wants the attention more than he wants a good Presidency or even legacy.
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Post by Opti on Aug 16, 2017 8:48:45 GMT -5
After VB's deflection runs its course, my question stands. Is this another incident for Trump like the Billy Bush tape?
I think it is. While I agree some of the counter protesters went for non-peaceful reasons, it was possible to condemn all those that went for violence and be thankful for those who did not. I think he'll see the same long term effects from this as he did the Billy Bush tape. Which is to say, none. I'm concerned you might be right. Part of the issue is most non right commentators really need to condemn the counter protesters who went to do beat downs as well. While I don't agree with the many sides comment, we need to call out violence by whoever does it. Leaving out the idiots who went to beat on the alt-right in the condemnations shows hypocrisy and makes things worse.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Aug 16, 2017 8:52:17 GMT -5
If he really pisses off Kelly than Trump is through in the eyes of most moderates IMO. After going through Reince so fast and there being so much initial chaos, Kelly was brought in to settle things down. Kelly also is generally well respected by moderates (whereas Reince appealed mainly to right).
So if Kelly gets mad / frustrated enough to quit or speak out after only being on the job a short time, I think then Trump will definitely lose moderates and lose chances at reelection.
It will be interesting to see if Kelly can reel in Trump's ego a bit.....I'm starting to think the answer is no.....
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 16, 2017 11:32:48 GMT -5
There is one big thing that's changing.
Used to be, in the early Trump era (doesn't that seem like a decade ago?) if Trump came out and said something negative about a company, it tanked their stock.
This week, when the CEO of Merck bailed on Trump's council and Trump lashed out at him, Merck actually saw a very slight RISE in the stock price.
Trump has lost the power to bully companies, which is a huge thing. On the other hand, those companies that stick with Trump are facing pressure from their share holders to stop catering to the Nazi sympathizer.
Trump, who claims he is all about business, has lost any respect in the business community. Can't bully people into making 'great deals' with you if no one is scared of you anymore.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2017 11:42:54 GMT -5
I'm not following the Uber thing. Seems lime free market to me. Cab companies will adapt to become ride share companies to side step regulations. Liberals lose.
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2017 12:14:41 GMT -5
It's so hard to keep up on all the Trump bashing threads!!! So little time! I give up. Life is short. Basically getting back to playing the stock markets and making some large coin right now. All this nonsense is noise with the economy running in the fast lane. Time to make some serious change. Yesterday they had an idiot commit suicide on one of the commuter rail tracks and shut down the trains for early rush hour. Commuters were using Uber and Lyft to get rides to work. Due to "demand pricing', based on demand of the calls, the drivers were posted at the $75 range for distances of about two to three miles or so, and the mass commuter riders were crying, GOUGING! One rider needed a ride to the airport. $150........ The local stations never mentioned the cab system where rates are locked in. I guess the upper class people refuse to use a cab these days. Pay the regular rate, tip the cabbie an extra $20 and come out $40 ahead. These are the type of things the liberals should be worried about, but when the liberals own the cities, it is such a small price to pay for maintaining their false lifestyles. what does Trump have to do with the price of cabs in some random city in AZ? AZ the red state. And price setting by the government is about as "liberal" as you can get, clamping down on the free market is not a conservative value.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 16, 2017 12:21:48 GMT -5
Deflection? The liberal left has been all deflection 24/7 I brought up the Uber Issue because the left controls major city life across the country, control the cab systems, while currently destroying it through local laws and procedures, while allowing Uber and Lyft to do whatever they want, and allowing price gouging of their citizens. You brought up the issue to derail the thread. You could start a thread on that, but you'd rather not because you netted some fish.
I don't know where you get your news, but I'm finding out interesting things by watching clips of John Oliver and others.
Of course he did. He (and Trump's supporters) put up a wall of fallacies and use deflection because they have NO other defense of their position. Trump resorts to that all the time.
It's the obvious course of action when you do not have a leg to stand on (or you are attempting to defend a pile of $h1t).
The most frightening thing about this is that when those outside the wall get too loud and those within the wall start questioning the fallacies and the deflection well, then it's time to turn to violence.
I'm sorry Value Buy has no other way to defend his political position other than with fallacies and deflection. I can only assume he's totally aware that his position is indefensible and/or that he's attempting to defend a pile of $h1t. Perhaps in a way he's agreeing with the "liberals" he seems to rally against.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 12:40:22 GMT -5
I give up. Life is short. Basically getting back to playing the stock markets and making some large coin right now. All this nonsense is noise with the economy running in the fast lane. Time to make some serious change. Yesterday they had an idiot commit suicide on one of the commuter rail tracks and shut down the trains for early rush hour. Commuters were using Uber and Lyft to get rides to work. Due to "demand pricing', based on demand of the calls, the drivers were posted at the $75 range for distances of about two to three miles or so, and the mass commuter riders were crying, GOUGING! One rider needed a ride to the airport. $150........ The local stations never mentioned the cab system where rates are locked in. I guess the upper class people refuse to use a cab these days. Pay the regular rate, tip the cabbie an extra $20 and come out $40 ahead. These are the type of things the liberals should be worried about, but when the liberals own the cities, it is such a small price to pay for maintaining their false lifestyles. what does Trump have to do with the price of cabs in some random city in AZ? AZ the red state. And price setting by the government is about as "liberal" as you can get, clamping down on the free market is not a conservative value. See post #6
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2017 12:45:29 GMT -5
what does Trump have to do with the price of cabs in some random city in AZ? AZ the red state. And price setting by the government is about as "liberal" as you can get, clamping down on the free market is not a conservative value. See post #6 Yes, i read it. It still has no connection to the OP and your tinfoil hat is on too tight.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 16, 2017 12:59:18 GMT -5
I give up. Life is short. Basically getting back to playing the stock markets and making some large coin right now. All this nonsense is noise with the economy running in the fast lane. Time to make some serious change. Yesterday they had an idiot commit suicide on one of the commuter rail tracks and shut down the trains for early rush hour. Commuters were using Uber and Lyft to get rides to work. Due to "demand pricing', based on demand of the calls, the drivers were posted at the $75 range for distances of about two to three miles or so, and the mass commuter riders were crying, GOUGING! One rider needed a ride to the airport. $150........ The local stations never mentioned the cab system where rates are locked in. I guess the upper class people refuse to use a cab these days. Pay the regular rate, tip the cabbie an extra $20 and come out $40 ahead. These are the type of things the liberals should be worried about, but when the liberals own the cities, it is such a small price to pay for maintaining their false lifestyles. what does Trump have to do with the price of cabs in some random city in AZ? AZ the red state. And price setting by the government is about as "liberal" as you can get, clamping down on the free market is not a conservative value. Right?!?! Not only am I totally confused by the point of this post, but I'm now completely confused by what I should be worried about as a liberal. I thought we were supposed to be worried about nuclear war, civil war, Nazi uprisings, obamacare, and the loss of the EPA....but nope, cabs in AZ! That's the big scare!!!!
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 14:40:28 GMT -5
Okay, one more time........for everyone. All major cities are democratically controlled and operated. The cab industry is totally controlled by city regulations and pricing structure is set in stone. UBER and Lyft are given pretty much free reign and we all read the horror stories of the drivers attacking their riders, yada yada. Cabs are being driven into bankruptcy, by Democrats due to regulation and the alowance of UBER to do it without the same regulations. Uber is able to charge customers over $75 for a ride the cabs do for under $20. Who is hurt by this system? The citizens of liberal utopia.... call this deflection if you want but it is you the posters of liberal lalaland who keep asking me what I am saying. so let's try to keep on topic.If Laura never abandoned the like or dislike icon, we would never have this problem, would we?
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2017 14:46:33 GMT -5
And I still don't see how this relates to the OP.
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2017 14:47:39 GMT -5
And now back on Topic.
I don't see how the staff can be stunned. Trump has the attention span of a fruit fly on crack. He's never stayed on one topic, ever.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2017 14:49:46 GMT -5
I don't think has pricing requirements the way other cities do - with the zones and everything, just that rates are posted. Maybe I am not looking at the correct statutes?
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Post by bean29 on Aug 16, 2017 15:40:28 GMT -5
I'm not following the Uber thing. Seems lime free market to me. Cab companies will adapt to become ride share companies to side step regulations. Liberals lose. I am really not sure anyone will lose - over the long run, if you use Uber, Lyft or a cab on a regular basis...your average fare is still probably less with the ride share model, but at any rate, it probably does not come out to being [much] more expensive.
I just got back from vacation. Mom was at a convention (DD and I went for fun). We used both Uber and Lyft (DD and her friend googled for Coupon Codes and used whatever was cheaper). Mom used Uber. Rides were $2-8 in downtown Atlanta.
My DN uses Uber/Lyft when he goes out in Madison, WI. He says if the surge pricing is "on" he and his friends hang out at the bar for awhile longer and wait for the Surge Pricing to turn "off". You just have to learn to work the system.
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You brought up the issue to derail the thread. You could start a thread on that, but you'd rather not because you netted some fish.
I don't know where you get your news, but I'm finding out interesting things by watching clips of John Oliver and others.
Of course he did. He (and Trump's supporters) put up a wall of fallacies and use deflection because they have NO other defense of their position. Trump resorts to that all the time.
It's the obvious course of action when you do not have a leg to stand on (or you are attempting to defend a pile of $h1t).
The most frightening thing about this is that when those outside the wall get too loud and those within the wall start questioning the fallacies and the deflection well, then it's time to turn to violence.
I'm sorry Value Buy has no other way to defend his political position other than with fallacies and deflection. I can only assume he's totally aware that his position is indefensible and/or that he's attempting to defend a pile of $h1t. Perhaps in a way he's agreeing with the "liberals" he seems to rally against.
I try to ignore the deflection and try to get back on topic. Responding to the attempted deflection is what they want.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 16, 2017 19:53:18 GMT -5
$12 for me to take uber to airport compared to $30 cab, I'm sticking with uber.
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Saidctoday at the memorial service for Heather Heyer:
"They tried to kill my child to shut her up. Well, guess what? You just magnified her," Susan Bro said to loud applause Wednesday at the city's roughly 1,000-seat Paramount Theater.
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Okay, one more time........for everyone. All major cities are democratically controlled and operated. The cab industry is totally controlled by city regulations and pricing structure is set in stone. UBER and Lyft are given pretty much free reign and we all read the horror stories of the drivers attacking their riders, yada yada. Cabs are being driven into bankruptcy, by Democrats due to regulation and the alowance of UBER to do it without the same regulations. Uber is able to charge customers over $75 for a ride the cabs do for under $20. Who is hurt by this system? The citizens of liberal utopia.... call this deflection if you want but it is you the posters of liberal lalaland who keep asking me what I am saying. so let's try to keep on topic.If Laura never abandoned the like or dislike icon, we would never have this problem, would we? ....and this is caused by Trump going rogue? What?
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this business as usual for Trump? I think so. I am wondering if Kelly will realize that trump IS the problem... Not the staff, not anything else. Will he continue trying to bring some sense if order to the chaos? DH says his trump supporting friends on FB no longer post about him. They post about their dogs, their kids, anything except trump. Guess I'd be trying to change the subject too if I had voted for such a disaster. I agree Trump is the problem. He won't be reigned in because he wants the attention more than he wants a good Presidency or even legacy. I disagree. In my opinion he won't be reigned in because he believes in the absolute rightness and greatness of his cause (himself), and he has assured himself that his legacy and presidency will be the greatest ever because he's... well... him. It's all bullshit of course, his Presidency and Legacy are going to make Obama's look grand by comparison (and considering how badly Obama screwed the pooch... that's saying a LOT). But that doesn't deter him from his belief. You've heard the expression "you have to hit bottom before you can rise..." well... Bush started us in the direction of "bottom" by basically dumping all our proverbial fuel, but at least letting us glide down... Obama gassed up the plane again (aerial refueling, ain't it great?), and intentionally pointed the nose of the plane down even further... and Trump added rocket boosters and pointed us straight at the chasm.
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