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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 22:58:52 GMT -5
What Trump Got Wrong on CharlottesvilleAs a conservative, I see both the social justice warrior alt-left and the white supremacist alt-right as two sides of the same coin. Both would punish others for wrongthink. Both see the other side not as opponents, but as evil that can justifiably be silenced. Both have risen in recent years as a response to the crumbling of Western civilization’s certainties. But white supremacists, not social justice warriors, were the ones marching with citronella-filled tiki torches in Charlottesville, Va. this weekend. That is why it is perplexing that President Trump condemned the “egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides — on many sides.” A White House spokesman followed this up saying, “The president was condemning hatred, bigotry and violence from all sources and all sides. There was violence between protesters and counter protesters today.” That is all well and good, and I am glad he said something. But this is the same president who routinely mocked and attacked Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for failing to call Islamic radicalism by its name. In Charlottesville, evil has a name, and it is white supremacy. Complete article here: What Trump Got Wrong on Charlottesville
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Post by steff on Aug 13, 2017 23:04:39 GMT -5
He spend DAYS talking about the terror attack in London where a driver plowed thru a crowd. More time talking about it, criticizing the London Mayor, & using it to his advantage than he has for Charlottesville. Pence is giving speeches in Columbia saying more about condemning these groups than our own president is.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 14, 2017 7:30:12 GMT -5
What Trump Got Wrong on CharlottesvilleAs a conservative, I see both the social justice warrior alt-left and the white supremacist alt-right as two sides of the same coin. Both would punish others for wrongthink. Both see the other side not as opponents, but as evil that can justifiably be silenced. Both have risen in recent years as a response to the crumbling of Western civilization’s certainties. But white supremacists, not social justice warriors, were the ones marching with citronella-filled tiki torches in Charlottesville, Va. this weekend. That is why it is perplexing that President Trump condemned the “egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides — on many sides.” A White House spokesman followed this up saying, “The president was condemning hatred, bigotry and violence from all sources and all sides. There was violence between protesters and counter protesters today.” That is all well and good, and I am glad he said something. But this is the same president who routinely mocked and attacked Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for failing to call Islamic radicalism by its name. In Charlottesville, evil has a name, and it is white supremacy. Complete article here: What Trump Got Wrong on Charlottesville Don't you know it's going to be twisted here...and folks are just going to say.."Bah, this conservative? It is just too damn liberal! That's what's wrong with the Republican party...it's gone too soft...acting like democrats."
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Post by giramomma on Aug 14, 2017 7:34:14 GMT -5
Pence is giving speeches in Columbia saying more about condemning these groups than our own president is. That Pence is making speeches worries me. It makes wonder about the level of chaos in Washington that we aren't seeing. I think when we're all allowed to see half of what's behind that curtain, it's going to be really, really bad.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 14, 2017 9:11:32 GMT -5
His refusal to condemn Nazis and white supremists was not accidental. He has no problem harshly criticizing America's allies, tbe press, and even members of his own party.
There is a reason he soft pedaled the heinous acts of a group that is core to his base.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 14, 2017 9:20:32 GMT -5
He is worthless as our president and doing great harm to the country both domestically and abroad.
A complete fool and going to tear this country apart.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 9:26:48 GMT -5
His refusal to condemn Nazis and white supremists was not accidental. He has no problem harshly criticizing America's allies, tbe press, and even members of his own party. There is a reason he soft pedaled the heinous acts of a group that is core to his base. A real good time for trump to send out one of his tweets would have been after David Duke said this regarding trump on Saturday: "I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists," Duke responded to Trump. link
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 14, 2017 9:31:26 GMT -5
So tbe black CEO of Merck resigned feom the White House Council because of Trump's refusal to criticize white supremists. Trump wasted no time attacking HIM.....
Yes, David Duke's remarks were noted.... Trump doesn't criticize Putin or white supremists.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 9:39:10 GMT -5
So tbe black CEO of Merck resigned feom the White House Council because of Trump's refusal to criticize white supremists. Trump wasted no time attacking HIM..... Yes, David Duke's remarks were noted.... Trump doesn't criticize Putin or white supremists. The man-baby replied: "Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council, he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!" Well trump, maybe you should not have had him on your council in the first place. Merck CEO resigns from Trump council after Charlottesville
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 14, 2017 10:12:08 GMT -5
He is worthless as our president and doing great harm to the country both domestically and abroad. A complete fool and going to tear this country apart. I have to wonder if his "handling" of this topic is a calculated move to continue fomenting chaos, allowing him to declare martial law. With murmurings of postponing elections until the "voter fraud" issue is "resolved", it feels like this is laying the groundwork for him to continue his presidency by force.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 14, 2017 12:20:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah that's it. It's a conspiracy.
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Post by resolution on Aug 14, 2017 12:53:49 GMT -5
He is worthless as our president and doing great harm to the country both domestically and abroad. A complete fool and going to tear this country apart. I have to wonder if his "handling" of this topic is a calculated move to continue fomenting chaos, allowing him to declare martial law. With murmurings of postponing elections until the "voter fraud" issue is "resolved", it feels like this is laying the groundwork for him to continue his presidency by force. I strongly doubt that, considering he has already alienated a lot of military leaders.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 14, 2017 12:56:55 GMT -5
I have to wonder if his "handling" of this topic is a calculated move to continue fomenting chaos, allowing him to declare martial law. With murmurings of postponing elections until the "voter fraud" issue is "resolved", it feels like this is laying the groundwork for him to continue his presidency by force. I strongly doubt that, considering he has already alienated a lot of military leaders. There are a lot of things we strongly doubted would happen over the last several months.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 14:21:50 GMT -5
Oh yeah that's it. It's a conspiracy. Rather odd you didn't post "OH yeah that's it. It's a conspiracy" after reading this post: Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe is ineligible for re-election due to term limits. The election is November 7, 2017. The polls show the race is a dead heat- all tied up: 44% to 44% (Yes, the usual polling- RCP average of polls shows 5.5% lead for Northam, but we now know that means all tied up). Que the "white nationalist" rally. It's a transparent- and quite frankly, so incompetent that I predict the racist bigot black liberation theology communist community organizer himself will be tied to it by week's end- that it seems to me that we ought to investigate who paid to bus-in a bunch of "white nationalists" to Charlottesville, Virginia. This is as transparent attempt as has been made to date to discredit and de-legitimize any and all opposition to the leftist / globalist agenda. It's the old tried and trite Democratic playbook: if you don't support Democrats you're a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, islamophobe, xenophobe, etc. The whole thing is a setup.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 14, 2017 14:31:45 GMT -5
So tbe black CEO of Merck resigned feom the White House Council because of Trump's refusal to criticize white supremists. Trump wasted no time attacking HIM..... Yes, David Duke's remarks were noted.... Trump doesn't criticize Putin or white supremists. The man-baby replied: "Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council, he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!" Well trump, maybe you should not have had him on your council in the first place. Merck CEO resigns from Trump council after Charlottesville As so many times before, the fool would have been better off keeping his little fingers off his phone/twitter account. If nothing else this attack implicitely proves that he was all for the Alt Right rally, since he didn't find THAT important enough to condemn --- and he has shown that if it is important (to him) the Twitter in Chief WILL twitter.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 14, 2017 15:30:16 GMT -5
He thought it important enough to twitter his snarky tweet about the Merck CEO resigning about 30 minutes after it happened.
How long did it take for him to even comment on the Charlottesville rally? And then 3 days for him to actually have a news conference where he says the words 'white supremists are bad?'
Yes - VERY clear what's important to him and what someone on his staff or in his family nags him to pretend is important to him so that he finally grits his teeth and does it.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 14, 2017 16:12:33 GMT -5
He thought it important enough to twitter his snarky tweet about the Merck CEO resigning about 30 minutes after it happened.
How long did it take for him to even comment on the Charlottesville rally? And then 3 days for him to actually have a news conference where he says the words 'white supremists are bad?'
Yes - VERY clear what's important to him and what someone on his staff or in his family nags him to pretend is important to him so that he finally grits his teeth and does it. You know, I'd expect this from Trump. Know what made me cry, this morning? The fact that I've yet to hear his supporters come out on here and say "Yeah, this shit is screwed up." I'm really, really surprised here, that his supporters are silently agreeing with all the stuff that's going on. Because if they would have disagreed with it, they would have said something. And I just don't understand it. The cognitive dissonance. Why would educated, intelligent women here brush by the fact that Trump is happy with supporters that think women should have no rights, because they are women? I don't understand. Why aren't they offering explanations of why a failed healthcare plan is more important than seeing women as something other than property I'm to the point where I think I've really lost faith in humanity...where people are willing to stop and step up for what's right.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 14, 2017 16:26:19 GMT -5
You're overlooking the fact that Charlottesville is another "blue" area with a dopey Mayor, and yet more police stand-down order problems. This jag dork wanted this mess to happen. As far as I'm concerned, these two groups of assholes deserve one another. National Socialists or Antifa / BLM Socialists-- they're all socialists.
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Post by imawino on Aug 14, 2017 16:38:26 GMT -5
He thought it important enough to twitter his snarky tweet about the Merck CEO resigning about 30 minutes after it happened.
How long did it take for him to even comment on the Charlottesville rally? And then 3 days for him to actually have a news conference where he says the words 'white supremists are bad?'
Yes - VERY clear what's important to him and what someone on his staff or in his family nags him to pretend is important to him so that he finally grits his teeth and does it. You know, I'd expect this from Trump. Know what made me cry, this morning? The fact that I've yet to hear his supporters come out on here and say "Yeah, this shit is screwed up." I'm really, really surprised here, that his supporters are silently agreeing with all the stuff that's going on. Because if they would have disagreed with it, they would have said something. And I just don't understand it. The cognitive dissonance. Why would educated, intelligent women here brush by the fact that Trump is happy with supporters that think women should have no rights, because they are women? I don't understand. Why aren't they offering explanations of why a failed healthcare plan is more important than seeing women as something other than property I'm to the point where I think I've really lost faith in humanity...where people are willing to stop and step up for what's right. I was JUST having this conversation with someone. Honestly. It is disheartening.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 16:50:53 GMT -5
You're overlooking the fact that Charlottesville is another "blue" area with a dopey Mayor, and yet more police stand-down order problems. This jag dork wanted this mess to happen. As far as I'm concerned, these two groups of assholes deserve one another. National Socialists or Antifa / BLM Socialists-- they're all socialists. Any news updates about tying former president Obama to having paid to have the "white nationalists" bused into Chancellorsville this past weekend as you stated yesterday?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 14, 2017 17:01:21 GMT -5
You're overlooking the fact that Charlottesville is another "blue" area with a dopey Mayor, and yet more police stand-down order problems. This jag dork wanted this mess to happen. As far as I'm concerned, these two groups of assholes deserve one another. National Socialists or Antifa / BLM Socialists-- they're all socialists. Any news updates about tying former president Obama to having paid to have the "white nationalists" bused into Chancellorsville this past weekend as you stated yesterday? I've seen a few from the leaders of the "white nationalist" movement acknowledging the protest and their support for it. AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, out of curiosity, what, exactly, is a "jag dork"?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 17:06:57 GMT -5
Any news updates about tying former president Obama to having paid to have the "white nationalists" bused into Chancellorsville this past weekend as you stated yesterday? I've seen a few from the leaders of the "white nationalist" movement acknowledging the protest and their support for it. AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, out of curiosity, what, exactly, is a "jag dork"? Me too. Me too.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 14, 2017 17:15:03 GMT -5
Any news updates about tying former president Obama to having paid to have the "white nationalists" bused into Chancellorsville this past weekend as you stated yesterday? I've seen a few from the leaders of the "white nationalist" movement acknowledging the protest and their support for it. AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP , out of curiosity, what, exactly, is a "jag dork"? I don't honestly know what a jag dork is. It sounded funny when Chicago afternoon drive radio host Roe Cahn used to say it back in the mid 1990's. White nationalists, neo-nazis, skinheads, antifa, BLM-- they're all cut from the same cloth. You don't have to agree, but in my opinion, someone wanted this event to happen. Sure, the "white nationalists" did their thing-- but someone put the word out (probably Organizing For America and other groups) from the word go on that permit to march to make sure the other groups eager for violence would show up and disrupt.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 14, 2017 17:18:25 GMT -5
The President commented immediately on the events in Charlottesville, #FakeNews notwithstanding...
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Post by giramomma on Aug 14, 2017 18:21:05 GMT -5
The President commented immediately on the events in Charlottesville, #FakeNews notwithstanding... Your idea of immediately and mine is quite different. One of my kids cut her finger badly enough to need stitches over the weekend. We took care of it immediately, meaning, she was at an ER (walk in clinics close down by about 8 in my town) within a 25 minutes or so. Unless you are suggesting that the guy ran over folks today, I'm not sure how Trump's timeline registers as immediately. So, are you asserting that all news outlets were wrong, in that the guy ran over those people within the past 10 hours? I'd really like to see all those links...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 14, 2017 18:30:19 GMT -5
Trump's first response referred to "many sides". Which delighted the likes of Richard Spencer and David Duke. It took him TWO FREAKIN DAYS days to say "Nazis and white supremists are bad"..... Of course hinting that he might pardon Arpiao was a nod and wink to his core supporters. And he brought into the People's White House 3 (at least) men with ties to these groups. You wonder why they have come out of the woodwork Really??
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 14, 2017 18:33:54 GMT -5
Trump was forever criticizing Obama for failing to use the phrase "radical Islamic extremists".
Where in his initial, lame, generic response was ANY reference to "white supremists", or "KKK", or "Nazis"?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 14, 2017 19:28:05 GMT -5
I just keep hear Aziz Anasari's monologue from SNL. When he said that a bunch of people are aaying. "Whoo hoo. We don't have to pretend anymore. We can be racist again." And he answered something like "I'm so sorry we never thanked you for keeping quiet. We never realized how much effort you were putting into pretending."
It seemed, for a while, that we as a country were getting better, but I guess we only got better at keeping people quiet about it. And now we aren't doing that so well either.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 14, 2017 19:52:47 GMT -5
The President commented immediately on the events in Charlottesville, #FakeNews notwithstanding... Your idea of immediately and mine is quite different. One of my kids cut her finger badly enough to need stitches over the weekend. We took care of it immediately, meaning, she was at an ER (walk in clinics close down by about 8 in my town) within a 25 minutes or so. Unless you are suggesting that the guy ran over folks today, I'm not sure how Trump's timeline registers as immediately. So, are you asserting that all news outlets were wrong, in that the guy ran over those people within the past 10 hours? I'd really like to see all those links... Immediately means immediately.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 14, 2017 19:53:23 GMT -5
Do you all know how to follow @realdonaldtrump on Twitter? Maybe get it firsthand?
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