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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 11, 2017 11:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 11, 2017 11:40:07 GMT -5
I don't know.
I read about that case today and usually I'm rather skeptical of this type of lawsuit and that people should take responsibility for their own actions... but there's a real issue when hospitals dose up an exhausted woman with narcotics and then leave her alone with a newborn baby.
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Post by milee on Aug 11, 2017 11:48:42 GMT -5
The litigation risk for any medical procedure involving babies is astronomical. That's part of why the malpractice premiums for OBs are so insane. They vary by region, but the most recent figures I heard were that annual malpractice insurance for OBs were ranging from $80k - $150k a year. And that's for docs who have never had a claim...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2017 11:57:09 GMT -5
The woman has a darn good case against the hospital if all things mentioned in the article are true. Is the loss of the baby due to carelessness/malpractice not worth the money the family is suing for? Should laws reduce what the family should be awarded? I think the hospital, if they are at fault, is getting away pretty easy. And maybe there should be laws that hospitals cannot pass along higher health care costs when they lose malpractice cases in the court of law.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 11, 2017 12:03:22 GMT -5
Hospitals do make you fend for yourself after the initial post-op period. Here, you've just been cut open, but we expect you to take care of this baby now.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 11, 2017 12:11:38 GMT -5
I've had such different experience after I had my kids - I was constantly checked on -to the point that I had to ask them to stop bc they kept waking me up.
And they kept asking me if I want to keep the baby or have it taken to the nursery. I also had a bassinet right next to my bed for the baby.
But I wasn't drugged up at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 12:15:26 GMT -5
It's the leaving a baby with a drugged up mom part that makes this bad. If someone gave me vicodin and ambien I'd be out...like BLACKED out. I can't be the only one that this happens to.
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Post by quince on Aug 11, 2017 12:17:07 GMT -5
Even people who advocate for co sleeping are adamant about NOT drugged, NOT drunk. This is pretty bad.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 11, 2017 12:43:47 GMT -5
I've had such different experience after I had my kids - I was constantly checked on -to the point that I had to ask them to stop bc they kept waking me up.And they kept asking me if I want to keep the baby or have it taken to the nursery. I also had a bassinet right next to my bed for the baby. But I wasn't drugged up at all. I didn't have c-sections. The bolded part is exactly why I spent 1 night in the hospital...36 hours with #2 and 24 with #3. I expect if things go well enough with #4, it will be the same. They are in every. freaking. hour to check on me. And that's just with a medically uncomplicated birth. My hospital also does rooming in, but not co-sleeping. I'm very shocked that a nursing staff would allow for that. For my place, using a nursery wasn't very acceptable either. You room in. I'm also surprised that ambien was given out for a breastfeeding mother. I have to wonder if the nurses gave her the meds without her knowledge? Did the mom not ask what she was taking? Or do people not question what doctors proscribe?
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Post by midjd on Aug 11, 2017 12:49:08 GMT -5
Hospitals do make you fend for yourself after the initial post-op period. Here, you've just been cut open, but we expect you to take care of this baby now. Seriously! The hospital where I had DD (very highly rated) did away with the nursery a few years prior because rooming in is supposed to help with bonding. I'm sure it had nothing to do with saving money. So, there I am, having had no sleep for 48+ hours and still numb from the waist down, told "here's your baby! Have fun!" and basically left alone except when they took her for the hearing test/heel stick. I didn't start taking the Percocet they prescribed me til I was released, and I ended up pitching most of it, but I was out of my mind from exhaustion/adrenaline/morphine the whole time I was in the hospital. I barely remember a thing. I was given Ambien the night before my induction (I didn't take it). I would assume if you can take it while pregnant, you could take it while breastfeeding, but I'm personally not comfortable with either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 13:01:10 GMT -5
I've had such different experience after I had my kids - I was constantly checked on -to the point that I had to ask them to stop bc they kept waking me up.And they kept asking me if I want to keep the baby or have it taken to the nursery. I also had a bassinet right next to my bed for the baby. But I wasn't drugged up at all. I didn't have c-sections. The bolded part is exactly why I spent 1 night in the hospital...36 hours with #2 and 24 with #3. I expect if things go well enough with #4, it will be the same. They are in every. freaking. hour to check on me. And that's just with a medically uncomplicated birth. My hospital also does rooming in, but not co-sleeping. I'm very shocked that a nursing staff would allow for that. For my place, using a nursery wasn't very acceptable either. You room in. I'm also surprised that ambien was given out for a breastfeeding mother. I have to wonder if the nurses gave her the meds without her knowledge? Did the mom not ask what she was taking? Or do people not question what doctors proscribe? I coslept in the hospital and everyone was cool with it, but it doesn't sound like this woman was necessarily even planning on that. They brought the baby into breastfeed and next thing she knows she wakes up with a dead baby.
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 11, 2017 13:07:04 GMT -5
When my wife had our baby 10 months ago they offered to let the baby either sleep in the room or go to the nursery. When the baby slept in the room they were adamant that the baby sleep in the bassinet. They also popped in every 2-3 hours to check on the baby. Eventually my wife just asked them to take the baby to the nursery for sleep because she was waking up every 3 hours to feed the baby, and the nurses were coming in every 3 hours on a totally different schedule to check on the baby...so every 1.5 hours or so someone was making her wake up. When the baby was in the nursery they'd bring the baby in to feed then wait around and take the baby back. (I was at home sleeping obviously). It's hard for me to imagine a nurse bringing in a baby, dumping it with a drugged up mother, then just leaving for hours.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 11, 2017 13:09:22 GMT -5
When my wife had our baby 10 months ago they offered to let the baby either sleep in the room or go to the nursery. When the baby slept in the room they were adamant that the baby sleep in the bassinet. They also popped in every 2-3 hours to check on the baby. Eventually my wife just asked them to take the baby to the nursery for sleep because she was waking up every 3 hours to feed the baby, and the nurses were coming in every 3 hours on a totally different schedule to check on the baby...so every 1.5 hours or so someone was making her wake up. When the baby was in the nursery they'd bring the baby in to feed then wait around and take the baby back. (I was at home sleeping obviously). It's hard for me to imagine a nurse bringing in a baby, dumping it with a drugged up mother, then just leaving for hours. why is that obvious? Except for taking care of some administrative stuff, showering, and the odd nap, X was with me pretty much the whole time I was in the hospital.
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 11, 2017 13:12:18 GMT -5
When my wife had our baby 10 months ago they offered to let the baby either sleep in the room or go to the nursery. When the baby slept in the room they were adamant that the baby sleep in the bassinet. They also popped in every 2-3 hours to check on the baby. Eventually my wife just asked them to take the baby to the nursery for sleep because she was waking up every 3 hours to feed the baby, and the nurses were coming in every 3 hours on a totally different schedule to check on the baby...so every 1.5 hours or so someone was making her wake up. When the baby was in the nursery they'd bring the baby in to feed then wait around and take the baby back. (I was at home sleeping obviously). It's hard for me to imagine a nurse bringing in a baby, dumping it with a drugged up mother, then just leaving for hours. why is that obvious? Except for taking care of some administrative stuff, showering, and the odd nap, X was with me pretty much the whole time I was in the hospital. I think most people who know me at all or who have read many of my posts would think "yeah, sounds about right you'd be at home sleeping comfortably while your wife was in the hospital". That's the "obvious" part.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 11, 2017 13:13:42 GMT -5
LOL, wow. You have a point though.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 11, 2017 13:23:38 GMT -5
I don't know. I read about that case today and usually I'm rather skeptical of this type of lawsuit and that people should take responsibility for their own actions... but there's a real issue when hospitals dose up an exhausted woman with narcotics and then leave her alone with a newborn baby. I just read this too, but it was 4 days after the birth. Isn't that rather long to still be in the hospital?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 11, 2017 13:29:29 GMT -5
I don't see how that's relevant.
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 11, 2017 13:34:58 GMT -5
I don't know. I read about that case today and usually I'm rather skeptical of this type of lawsuit and that people should take responsibility for their own actions... but there's a real issue when hospitals dose up an exhausted woman with narcotics and then leave her alone with a newborn baby. I just read this too, but it was 4 days after the birth. Isn't that rather long to still be in the hospital? If everything goes smoothly, yes, that's a little long.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 11, 2017 13:36:15 GMT -5
I don't see how that's relevant. Either the mother, baby or both had issues where they needed more care than would be normal after a birth. It is very relevant.
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Post by swasat on Aug 11, 2017 13:36:28 GMT -5
I don't know. I read about that case today and usually I'm rather skeptical of this type of lawsuit and that people should take responsibility for their own actions... but there's a real issue when hospitals dose up an exhausted woman with narcotics and then leave her alone with a newborn baby. I just read this too, but it was 4 days after the birth. Isn't that rather long to still be in the hospital? In my neck of the woods they keep you in the hospital for 5 days post delivery, if its a C section. 3 days if a vaginal delivery. So no, I am not surprised.
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Post by souldoubt on Aug 11, 2017 13:37:39 GMT -5
why is that obvious? Except for taking care of some administrative stuff, showering, and the odd nap, X was with me pretty much the whole time I was in the hospital. I think most people who know me at all or who have read many of my posts would think "yeah, sounds about right you'd be at home sleeping comfortably while your wife was in the hospital". That's the "obvious" part. That was obvious but making her take the bus home from the hospital might have been taking it too far.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 11, 2017 13:38:24 GMT -5
I don't know. I read about that case today and usually I'm rather skeptical of this type of lawsuit and that people should take responsibility for their own actions... but there's a real issue when hospitals dose up an exhausted woman with narcotics and then leave her alone with a newborn baby. I just read this too, but it was 4 days after the birth. Isn't that rather long to still be in the hospital? It depends. With #1, I stayed in the hospital for 3ish days. Which is one day too long with a vaginal birth. We had problems breastfeeding (it turned out my milk never came in) and he wasn't really getting anything to eat. No input=no output. My drs wouldn't let us go home until DS had X amount of wet diapers. I'm assuming the woman had a C-section plus maybe some other complications. 4 days isn't out of the realm of rather long.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 13:44:24 GMT -5
Here it's 4 days for C-section and 2 nights for vaginal, but the clock doesn't start ticking until after the birth, so I ended up being in for 4 days with my first. LONG freaking labor. If they were doping her up that much on day 4, probably a C-section.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 11, 2017 13:47:05 GMT -5
I coslept in the hospital and everyone was cool with it, but it doesn't sound like this woman was necessarily even planning on that. They brought the baby into breastfeed and next thing she knows she wakes up with a dead baby. Shoot our hospital is really crunchy-they even did cloth diapers for the longest time..and co-sleeping was a no-no. I see the value in it, though.
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Post by midjd on Aug 11, 2017 13:50:35 GMT -5
Sounds like they already have tort reform...
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 11, 2017 13:56:26 GMT -5
woo birthing?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 11, 2017 14:22:59 GMT -5
My hospital encouraged rooming in, but also had a nursery. I was pretty much the only person to opt for the nursery. I was also pretty much the only one who rarely had a visitor. The nurses called me "independent" because I got myself to the restroom after having a C-section. Um, so I'm supposed to get up to take care of the baby by myself, but I can't get myself to the restroom?? I honestly don't understand what they expected. Was I supposed to buzz them and wait 15-20 minutes for them to show up every time the baby started fussing? Anyways, I digress. I had some weird coming down from the meds I had during childbirth that made me leery of taking care of my baby on my own. My 2nd rolled out of my arms onto the hospital bed, thank God. I totally blanked out.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 11, 2017 14:27:40 GMT -5
yeah no. I was like, hospital all the way!
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Post by tskeeter on Aug 11, 2017 14:50:22 GMT -5
The litigation risk for any medical procedure involving babies is astronomical. That's part of why the malpractice premiums for OBs are so insane. They vary by region, but the most recent figures I heard were that annual malpractice insurance for OBs were ranging from $80k - $150k a year. And that's for docs who have never had a claim... This is in line with what I've been told. That insurance consumes roughly half of a doctor's income. And it is not just the insurance premiums that add to the cost of medical care. And other component is questionably necessary tests and procedures performed so that Docs have a defense when they end up in court. That's why the hospital was fussing about plaque in Mom's arteries after she suffered a massive cerebral hemmorage. Basically the Docs had determined that Mom was brain dead, but the hospital was pushing for surgery to deal with the plaque so the hospital would be able to show that they had done everything and anything that could be done to treat her. Medical CYA costs billions every year.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 11, 2017 15:08:57 GMT -5
yeah no. I was like, hospital all the way! See, I wouldn't mind a birthing center/midwife now for this one. Unfortunately, finding a OB taking new patients is worse than trying to find infant daycare in our city. (and there's about a 9 month wait list for spots in infant daycares..) So I didn't feel like I had a ton of time to decide.
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