This could be any of us in a couple of decades

[Value Buy]

This is sad.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-elderly-couple-mysteriously-vanished-eight-days-later-their-children%E2%80%99s-worse-fears-came-true/ar-AApB0jD?li=BBnbfcL

They were found on a trail near his old hunting cabin, and probably died the night or next day they left their house.

[zibazinski]

😢

[bean29]

I can't load the article. It is either the video or an ad that freezes my browser.

[Value Buy]

Aug 7, 2017 9:46:00 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I can't load the article. It is either the video or an ad that freezes my browser.

from the article:



Ron and Mary Tarnowski’s lives were confined almost entirely to their home in Duluth, Minn.



Decades ago, at age 42, Mary Tarnowski suffered from a stroke that left her paralyzed on the right side of her body, making it difficult for her to move or speak. Her husband, Ron, served as her caretaker for more than 35 years, assisting her with daily tasks and never leaving her side.

But in recent years, Ron Tarnowski, an Air Force veteran and retired captain for the local fire department, began showing signs of early-onset dementia, his son and police told The Washington Post. Suddenly, the tough man with a “commanding presence,” adventurous spirit and the build of a former football player needed to be taken care of, too.



Getting around became even more difficult for the Tarnowskis — Mary, 78, and Ron, 81. The elderly couple hardly ever left the home which their son, Karl Tarnowski, built adjacent to his own so he could keep an eye on them.



Occasionally, Mary Tarnowski would ask her husband to go for a drive, perhaps to nearby restaurants. But they never stayed away for very long and would always be back well before nightfall.

[Value Buy]

They had moved in with a son, and everything seemed normal that day, but when the son came home, his mother's purse and all medication was still there, but they were gone.

[thyme4change]

Shit, she was 42 when she suffered the debilitating stroke. That could be many of us now.

[Opti]

That's sad. I wonder if the husband suffered a stroke while walking for help.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 7, 2017 11:58:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's sad. I wonder if the husband suffered a stroke while walking for help.

One reason why I would like to see voluntary GPS chip implants for older citizens.

[NancysSummerSip]

Aug 7, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 7, 2017 11:58:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's sad. I wonder if the husband suffered a stroke while walking for help.

One reason why I would like to see voluntary GPS chip implants for older citizens.

I am absolutely and totally 100% in agreement on the chip implant. It would not only help in the identification of elderly walk-aways, but possibly lost children, people injured in accidents and sudden onset of illness (who are rendered unable to speak), hospitalized individuals on medications (the med list in the chip could prevent lethal drug interactions), the mentally handicapped/challenged, people on multiple life-saving medications (type and dosages on the chip can help them, pharmacists, doctors and/or caregivers keep track), anyone who has had major life-altering surgery or implants of any kind, etc.

I know...I've heard the whole invasion of privacy thing. No one should be forced into it. But I would be first in line to do it. I think lives can be saved with this kind of information available.

[thyme4change]

Aug 7, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 7, 2017 11:58:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's sad. I wonder if the husband suffered a stroke while walking for help.

One reason why I would like to see voluntary GPS chip implants for older citizens.

Certainly once you start seeing signs of dementia.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 7, 2017 12:39:38 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

Aug 7, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One reason why I would like to see voluntary GPS chip implants for older citizens.

I am absolutely and totally 100% in agreement on the chip implant. It would not only help in the identification of elderly walk-aways, but possibly lost children, people injured in accidents and sudden onset of illness (who are rendered unable to speak), hospitalized individuals on medications (the med list in the chip could prevent lethal drug interactions), the mentally handicapped/challenged, people on multiple life-saving medications (type and dosages on the chip can help them, pharmacists, doctors and/or caregivers keep track), anyone who has had major life-altering surgery or implants of any kind, etc.

I know...I've heard the whole invasion of privacy thing. No one should be forced into it. But I would be first in line to do it. I think lives can be saved with this kind of information available.

There are still several senior citizens from my city who are still missing after several years. There drove off to some destination and their cars later found in rural areas far from their home and their schedule destination. Their bodies have not been found. All of them suffered with some degree of dementia.

[Peace Of Mind]

Aug 7, 2017 10:05:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 7, 2017 9:46:00 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I can't load the article. It is either the video or an ad that freezes my browser.

from the article:



Ron and Mary Tarnowski’s lives were confined almost entirely to their home in Duluth, Minn.



Decades ago, at age 42, Mary Tarnowski suffered from a stroke that left her paralyzed on the right side of her body, making it difficult for her to move or speak. Her husband, Ron, served as her caretaker for more than 35 years, assisting her with daily tasks and never leaving her side.

But in recent years, Ron Tarnowski, an Air Force veteran and retired captain for the local fire department, began showing signs of early-onset dementia, his son and police told The Washington Post. Suddenly, the tough man with a “commanding presence,” adventurous spirit and the build of a former football player needed to be taken care of, too.



Getting around became even more difficult for the Tarnowskis — Mary, 78, and Ron, 81. The elderly couple hardly ever left the home which their son, Karl Tarnowski, built adjacent to his own so he could keep an eye on them.



Occasionally, Mary Tarnowski would ask her husband to go for a drive, perhaps to nearby restaurants. But they never stayed away for very long and would always be back well before nightfall.

This is such a sad story but I'm glad they were together.  RIP Ron and Mary.  

And I have to say that Ron sounds like an amazing person/man/husband for doing all that he did for that many years.  We should all be so lucky to have such an upstanding spouse/partner in life!  

[toomuchreality]

Aug 7, 2017 13:25:15 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Aug 7, 2017 10:05:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

from the article:



Ron and Mary Tarnowski’s lives were confined almost entirely to their home in Duluth, Minn.



Decades ago, at age 42, Mary Tarnowski suffered from a stroke that left her paralyzed on the right side of her body, making it difficult for her to move or speak. Her husband, Ron, served as her caretaker for more than 35 years, assisting her with daily tasks and never leaving her side.

But in recent years, Ron Tarnowski, an Air Force veteran and retired captain for the local fire department, began showing signs of early-onset dementia, his son and police told The Washington Post. Suddenly, the tough man with a “commanding presence,” adventurous spirit and the build of a former football player needed to be taken care of, too.



Getting around became even more difficult for the Tarnowskis — Mary, 78, and Ron, 81. The elderly couple hardly ever left the home which their son, Karl Tarnowski, built adjacent to his own so he could keep an eye on them.



Occasionally, Mary Tarnowski would ask her husband to go for a drive, perhaps to nearby restaurants. But they never stayed away for very long and would always be back well before nightfall.

This is such a sad story but I'm glad they were together.  RIP Ron and Mary.  

And I have to say that Ron sounds like an amazing person/man/husband for doing all that he did for that many years.  We should all be so lucky to have such an upstanding spouse/partner in life!  

I agree. And it doesn't sound like either one of them suffered for days. That's good.

"Both are believed to have died on July 29, the day they first went missing, the son said. No foul play is expected, authorities said."

[Value Buy]

Aug 7, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 7, 2017 11:58:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's sad. I wonder if the husband suffered a stroke while walking for help.

One reason why I would like to see voluntary GPS chip implants for older citizens.

Mixed emotions on this.
First the elderly
Then the babies
Then the teenagers
Then everyone else to prevent or prosecute for breaking laws...............

[zibazinski]

Maybe non removable medical bracelets?

[Value Buy]

Aug 9, 2017 10:04:13 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Maybe non removable medical bracelets?

I can see having a chip implanted in senior citizens for safety when their physical and mental capabilities are failing them.

Just not sure where that proper level of capability level should be, and once it is started, it spreads to other groups encompassing the masses eventually.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 9, 2017 10:02:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 7, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One reason why I would like to see voluntary GPS chip implants for older citizens.

Mixed emotions on this.
First the elderly
Then the babies
Then the teenagers
Then everyone else to prevent or prosecute for breaking laws...............

You missed the word 'voluntary' in my comment.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 9, 2017 10:26:57 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Aug 9, 2017 10:20:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You missed the word 'voluntary' in my comment.

Voluntary has the tendency to morph rather quickly to mandatory.   Look at the evolution of seat belts.   

[Tennesseer]

Aug 9, 2017 10:44:45 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Aug 9, 2017 10:34:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

C'mon,  I thought that was a good parallel!  

Seat belts were voluntary in the beginning,  weren't they?   I believe they were the fancy option that you choose to order with your new car.  Now they are not only mandatory in cars,  it's illegal not to use them.    Why would GPS chipping be any different? 

Because a seat belt does not track your every movement.

And I apologize for the rolls eye emoji. What I should have said and will now say is that you should join me in being a dues-paying member of the ACLU to ensure things like mandatory personal chip implants never become the law of the land.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 9, 2017 10:57:16 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Aug 9, 2017 10:51:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Because a seat belt does not track your every movement.

And I apologize for the rolls eye emoji. What I should have said and will now say is that you should join me in being a dues-paying member of the ACLU to ensure things like mandatory personal chip implants never become the law of the land.

You mean like the authorities tracking who is buying pseudoephedrine?   That seems like an awfully big privacy intrusion on law abiding citizens purchasing a legal product.    Where was the ACLU when that little gem was passed?

As a privacy matter, requiring sensitive medical information to be stored in a database is bad policy. The ACLU-WA believes the pseudoephedrine database may infringe on individuals’ privacy, including their right to control the dissemination of their personal medical records. Fortunately, during the rule-making process for the database, the ACLU-WA successfully advocated to limit law enforcement access to the database. Under the new law, law enforcement may only access the database when they have an articulated individualized suspicion of wrong-doing (i.e., no fishing expeditions).

ACLU: For Flu Season: Pseudoephedrine - Yes, Police Fishing Expeditions - No

[Tennesseer]

Aug 9, 2017 11:23:18 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Aug 9, 2017 11:18:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

ACLU: For Flu Season: Pseudoephedrine - Yes, Police Fishing Expeditions - No

So they limited the access to the information,  but did not stop the gathering of it.   Nope not good enough for me.   

It may not be good enough for you (ACLU's actions) but their lawyers can only challenge the parts they believe to be unlawful and against our constitution.

Maybe you should ask the ACLU to represent your interests and file a lawsuit in your name against the U.S. to have all gathering of information stopped and deemed illegal. You won't find any conservative lawyers wishing to help you and our current U.S. Attorney General surely doesn't back your position.

[zibazinski]

People with diseases like dementia and Alzheimer's don't think they have any issues so getting them to agree would be hard.

[busymom]

It's not even legal to seatbelt someone living in a nursing home anymore, to keep them from tumbling out of a wheelchair, unless they can prove they can easily unfasten it.  I'm all about freedom, but draw the line at people being safe.  (I've also had my own Mom tumble out of her wheelchair more than once, complete with broken bones.)  We need to figure out a better system to keep people safe, without treading on their personal freedom.  Frankly, I don't have a problem with a GPS system installed on cars, or a wristband, if it keep someone from harm.

[Value Buy]

Oh brother.......

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/he-pushed-an-elevator%E2%80%99s-alarm-button-but-no-one-came-officials-say-weeks-later-his-body-was-found/ar-AApRsJE?li=BBnb7Kz

[toomuchreality]

Aug 11, 2017 11:01:52 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oh brother.......

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/he-pushed-an-elevator%E2%80%99s-alarm-button-but-no-one-came-officials-say-weeks-later-his-body-was-found/ar-AApRsJE?li=BBnb7Kz

Holy Moly!   Heads should roll over this one.

What good are security, or safety alarms, if no one is going to bother responding to them? Or if security guards check some places, but not all? It's not as if there was a vast number. There were only 3. But they only checked 2.  
What that poor man went through must have been horrible, for a long time.

My thoughts go out to his friends and family.