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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 7, 2017 16:04:44 GMT -5
As an adult there's candy at office desks, food at the gas station, restaurants inside the gym, beer carts on the golf course, etc. You can't go anywhere without being offered food for sale. It's our culture in general, not just kid culture. If you don't like it try sending an email to the organizers and other parents. In general I've found parents are pretty receptive to the idea of going with low sugar snacks like fruit or chunks of sliced up turkey. Kids are just as happy to work for stickers. Most kids will learn to turn down unhealthy foods if they get a chance to practice and feel like it could be available if they want it. Oh I know. I was recently lulled into investment seminar bc they had free food and drinks. Yes, I am that easy.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 7, 2017 16:06:23 GMT -5
most of the things I went to in college were because they had free pizza.
Free Pizza.
That right there is a beautiful phrase.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 7, 2017 16:16:03 GMT -5
There is a difference though between providing the option for a mid-morning snack and even an after school snack, and providing food on an hourly basis and during every activity that a kid does. And it's starting to feel like kids are offered food all the time. It's like the default. Snacks and sugary drinks are offered at all kid's sporting events, at scouts, at a whole bunch of other clubs. My irritation is that I feel kids are getting conditioned to eat because food is available and it's part of the activity. Gwen gets mid morning snack, lunch and then a snack at Kids & Co. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is not only do they do all that but they also tend to use food as a reward/bribe on top of that. There is no reason my kid needs to be eating 4-5 times per day while in school. She will survive till I pick her up. Same with my complaint about the theater. You know what time it starts, you know when it ends. Can you seriously not adjust your schedule for two hours so you don't need to bring crap into the hall? I REALLY doubt all those people crunching and slupring had dietary issues that required them to eat 3 bags of potato chops and a Mtn Dew in a 45 minute period. You need to be able to occupy yourself without having to have food in your face constantly. We're sending the message that nothing is worth doing unless you can eat while you are doing. Well adults may be just as bad. I have heard people complain about no drink service on a flight from Atlanta to Birmingham. The flight is 15 minutes in the air! Due to the time zone change the schedule shows the flight landing a minute before takeoff. And you can't do without a beer?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 16:36:54 GMT -5
Well, now they're telling us not to give the kids apples anymore either because the sugar content is so high in them. Apparently all these new varieties are worse for you teeth than soda. I suspect this is a result of genetic modification. Right now I have a Costco-sized package of grapes in my freezer and they are SO good- and really sweet. They have to be GMO. Still- apples or grapes include water, fiber and some vitamins, which is more than you can say for fruit roll-ups and Skittles, which also include chemical additives I can't pronounce.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jul 7, 2017 17:03:22 GMT -5
My DD is overweight, the meds she was on for quite awhile, made her so hungry she could not stop eating. We had to go to whole wheat bread and things to keep her from eating half a loaf a bread a night.
She is now on a .25mg of resperidone and is doing so much better. She, on her own, even started drinking more water!! However, now she is going to the daycamp for the disabled, 2 days a week, and they sell snacks. I hate to think what she will eat her way through if they don't monitor her. She has the money to pay $1 each for them. I may have to talk to them.
The rest of us are overweight but we so far are not obese, DD I would say she is. But all of us are doing better. DIL is not fat at all.
We try to eat healthy but its sure hard with all the fast food and junk. I try to prepare nutritious meals.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 8, 2017 8:15:39 GMT -5
Well, now they're telling us not to give the kids apples anymore either because the sugar content is so high in them. Apparently all these new varieties are worse for you teeth than soda. I suspect this is a result of genetic modification. Right now I have a Costco-sized package of grapes in my freezer and they are SO good- and really sweet. They have to be GMO. Still- apples or grapes include water, fiber and some vitamins, which is more than you can say for fruit roll-ups and Skittles, which also include chemical additives I can't pronounce. Probably. My Woodman's grocery store sometimes has cotton candy grapes. They are nauseously sweet. They had free samples and we tried them. The kids loved them but I'm not buying them.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 8, 2017 15:36:25 GMT -5
I suspect this is a result of genetic modification. Right now I have a Costco-sized package of grapes in my freezer and they are SO good- and really sweet. They have to be GMO. Still- apples or grapes include water, fiber and some vitamins, which is more than you can say for fruit roll-ups and Skittles, which also include chemical additives I can't pronounce. Probably. My Woodman's grocery store sometimes has cotton candy grapes. They are nauseously sweet. They had free samples and we tried them. The kids loved them but I'm not buying them. Cotton candy grapes have about 12% more sugar, but they're not GMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 15:57:51 GMT -5
We have definitely crossed and cultivated to increase sugar. I know im a Michael Pollan freak but Botony of Desire is a great read. Apples are one of the crops he traces the evolution of, and how we impacted the process.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 8, 2017 19:13:00 GMT -5
One advantage to getting long in the tooth is that one can really start to notice societal changes over time. I started school in the mid 1960's. We had two "fat" kids in our class, and by today's standards they really weren't even that fat. In fact one was really more stocky than fat, but if kids wanted to get under his skin they called him fat. However they had better know how to run or fight, because he was also a bruiser, lol. Anyway, that translated to between 5-10% of our class if you called them both fat. And for the rest of us, most of us were skinny as rails. I don't remember too many obese parents or adults either, although of course that memory is not so precise. There were a few I can remember. Our eating habits were different though. There were no school snack breaks. We had breakfast and then went to school. Then there was lunch, which was usually a PBJS. After school we usually found something to gnaw on mid afternoon, fig newtons, toast and jelly, or something. And then dinner. Dinner plates had a diameter of 8-9". Take a look at the diameter of your dinner plates. More impressive, take a look at the diameter of dinner plates in restaurants. We didn't usually have desert at my house, but I know a lot of families did. When we did it would usually be ice cream, sometimes cookies. Take a look at the size of desserts in restaurants today. WOW! Coca Cola came in 10 oz bottles. Curvy, green tinted glass bottles with white letters. Small ones came in 7 oz bottles I think. Large ones were 12 oz. At some point they came out with 16 oz bottles, which I thought was The Bomb. Apparently so did everyone else, because now you can go to the 7-11 and get a super duper calofragelistic expidaleotious Big Gulp which has about 55 gallons or something. Soon they'll put it on wheels. As all good YMer's know, little kids have no choice in what they eat though, and it is up to the parents to establish good eating habits early. This isn't easy, because most rug rats want to eat nothing but hot dogs, boogers, cookies and floor schmeg. But they really have no choice in the matter at the end of it. Make 'em eat their veggies and keep the sweet treats very small and as far between as possible. Sugar is the enemy! Outlast them in their early test of wills with you and you will give them a good foundation which will give them a fighting chance the first time they walk into a 7-11 or super duper Walmart! OK, so first you take me back to my childhood (which ran about the same time as yours, since I remember every item you mention) and then you mention boogers and floor schmegand I am laughing so hard the cats left the room. That's way better than nasal doodle and dust bunnies.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 9, 2017 20:03:59 GMT -5
OMG the whole "snack " thing is absurd. I would take my kids to events or classes and literally people where shoving snacks in their faces. And, nobody can ride in the car for an hour without a water bottle and snacks? It is crazy. I refused to bring snacks and water for rides in the car under 2 hours! Lol
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 9, 2017 20:14:35 GMT -5
We have definitely crossed and cultivated to increase sugar. I know im a Michael Pollan freak but Botony of Desire is a great read. Apples are one of the crops he traces the evolution of, and how we impacted the process. "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." Sound advice.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 9, 2017 20:46:24 GMT -5
I don't see it as that big of a deal since it's your choice to pack no snack, a junk food snack, or a healthy snack. I think it's only annoying when you are doing team snacks where you are kind of forced to participate and others are doing the choosing on the type of food.
I'm in a middle to upper middle class area and don't see many fat kids in schools. I grew up in the 80's and think people are WAY unhealthier back then, even if we were snacking less.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 9, 2017 21:16:38 GMT -5
Wasn't it this forum years ago where a guy wrote in complaining that his wife had gotten fat and he wasn't thrilled by it? He got reamed for saying he would have never asked out a fat woman and pretty much found her repulsive. She was aware of his feelings which made her angry so she ate more which made him angrier. I always wondered how that ended up. Are people including children self medicating with food?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 9, 2017 22:02:52 GMT -5
Back in the early sixty's when i first went to a McDonald.
Do you know or remember what was the only size drink you could get?
Do you know what else was on the menu?
16 OZ was the only size that was offered then
The menu choice was burger, cheeseburger, filet of fish, double burger, double cheeseburger!
A regular fry.
At that time nothing was supersized,, No wonder half of America is fat!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 9, 2017 22:30:42 GMT -5
I don't see it as that big of a deal since it's your choice to pack no snack, a junk food snack, or a healthy snack. I think it's only annoying when you are doing team snacks where you are kind of forced to participate and others are doing the choosing on the type of food. I'm in a middle to upper middle class area and don't see many fat kids in schools. I grew up in the 80's and think people are WAY unhealthier back then, even if we were snacking less. It's really not a big deal for me or my kids for many various reasons. But I think the problem overall is that food is involved in most activities through out the day. I truly can't remember the last time I saw a family with kids doing anything without food. I wasn't born in US, so I don't know, may be it's always been that way, but for me it's just doesn't seem right.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 9, 2017 23:00:57 GMT -5
I don't see it as that big of a deal since it's your choice to pack no snack, a junk food snack, or a healthy snack. I think it's only annoying when you are doing team snacks where you are kind of forced to participate and others are doing the choosing on the type of food. I'm in a middle to upper middle class area and don't see many fat kids in schools. I grew up in the 80's and think people are WAY unhealthier back then, even if we were snacking less. It's really not a big deal for me or my kids for many various reasons. But I think the problem overall is that food is involved in most activities through out the day. I truly can't remember the last time I saw a family with kids doing anything without food. I wasn't born in US, so I don't know, may be it's always been that way, but for me it's just doesn't seem right. I think it's just more formalized than it used to be. When I was in school, we didn't have snacks and couldn't drink anything in class. My wife is a teacher and I thought it was ridiculous when she said that kids could have water bottles in class and had a snack during the day. I'm like "Wait, they just get up in class and go to their backpack and get food " I'm not 100%, but I thought her school did it because some of their kids have really late lunches and the administrators read some research showing they learn better when they are hydrated and not starving. Although in her school it has to be something "healthy" like fruit/veggies/cheese stick, although I think they only warn the kids if they bring something like chips or cookies. I'm assuming that programs say it's a "snack time" as a way to let parents know that it's ok to pack something for the kids. I think some of it is more of a change in terminology though. I never used the term "snacks" when I was a kid. I would just ask my parents (or not ask) if I could have something to eat. Now kids specifically use the word "snack" whenever they ask for something outside of a normal meal.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jul 10, 2017 6:11:50 GMT -5
I don't see it as that big of a deal since it's your choice to pack no snack, a junk food snack, or a healthy snack. I think it's only annoying when you are doing team snacks where you are kind of forced to participate and others are doing the choosing on the type of food. I'm in a middle to upper middle class area and don't see many fat kids in schools. I grew up in the 80's and think people are WAY unhealthier back then, even if we were snacking less. I too am in a more affluent neighborhood. 1600 homes, 1-4 kids in almost every house. I have never seen an overweight baby, toddler, kid or teenager and I get out a lot. The elementary school is a block away. Most of the women are petite size 2s and most of the men are in shape. Yeah, we are a stereotype.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 10, 2017 6:25:54 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with water bottles. Most people don't get enough water.
My junior high and high school allowed water bottles. Most classrooms did not have AC and it could easily be in the 90s before we finished in mid June. No open top containers though to prevent spills.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 10, 2017 9:37:11 GMT -5
It's really not a big deal for me or my kids for many various reasons. But I think the problem overall is that food is involved in most activities through out the day. I truly can't remember the last time I saw a family with kids doing anything without food. I wasn't born in US, so I don't know, may be it's always been that way, but for me it's just doesn't seem right. I think it's just more formalized than it used to be. When I was in school, we didn't have snacks and couldn't drink anything in class. My wife is a teacher and I thought it was ridiculous when she said that kids could have water bottles in class and had a snack during the day. I'm like "Wait, they just get up in class and go to their backpack and get food " I'm not 100%, but I thought her school did it because some of their kids have really late lunches and the administrators read some research showing they learn better when they are hydrated and not starving. Although in her school it has to be something "healthy" like fruit/veggies/cheese stick, although I think they only warn the kids if they bring something like chips or cookies. I'm assuming that programs say it's a "snack time" as a way to let parents know that it's ok to pack something for the kids. I think some of it is more of a change in terminology though. I never used the term "snacks" when I was a kid. I would just ask my parents (or not ask) if I could have something to eat. Now kids specifically use the word "snack" whenever they ask for something outside of a normal meal. I remember there being 3 lunch periods in middle/high school. The first one began between 11:15-11:30am and the third one began either close to 1 or shortly after 1pm. In high school I was getting up at like 5:30am and eating breakfast around 6:30-6:45. I left for school at 7, and 1st period started at around 7:30. If I had last period lunch, there would be over 6 hours between my breakfast and lunch. IMO that's a long time without any food or drink. But I'm also part grazer.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 10, 2017 11:00:11 GMT -5
OK, so evidently there ARE NO FAT CHILDREN in my wealthy snobby snarky town. Yay!! Oh and moms were all very fit too. I was the fattest. I gave my kids carrots and strawberries. My DS2 was doing science camp there as well. But they didn't sit at the desks, they were outside doing science experiments.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 10, 2017 11:52:41 GMT -5
OK, so evidently there ARE NO FAT CHILDREN in my wealthy snobby snarky town. Yay!! Oh and moms were all very fit too. I was the fattest. I gave my kids carrots and strawberries. My DS2 was doing science camp there as well. But they didn't sit at the desks, they were outside doing science experiments. You are my new board crush!!!!!!
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Post by busymom on Jul 10, 2017 14:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 10, 2017 17:33:39 GMT -5
My son went to a soccer camp (3 day overnight.) He was told to bring money for snacks and that there would be pizza. I was ticked that they couldn't find a way to give them a real dinner, but all those Jr high boys would probably like eating pizza for dinner two nights in a row. Then I found out they had a real dinner at 4.30 or 5 pm and they could order pizzas at 8 or 9 at night. Given they did about 9 hours of exercise each day, my son did partake in both dinner and pizza. He is underweight, very active, eats pretty well - loves his veges, etc. But he is growing and does seem constantly hungry. My daughter too. We talk to them a lot about their future transition from being able to eat a lot to being an adult who will have to make choices. That talk is usually followed by my DH and I pouring ourselves a drink - so, at some point they are going to have to figure it out themselves.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 10, 2017 20:00:35 GMT -5
It's really not a big deal for me or my kids for many various reasons. But I think the problem overall is that food is involved in most activities through out the day. I truly can't remember the last time I saw a family with kids doing anything without food. I wasn't born in US, so I don't know, may be it's always been that way, but for me it's just doesn't seem right. I think it's just more formalized than it used to be. When I was in school, we didn't have snacks and couldn't drink anything in class. My wife is a teacher and I thought it was ridiculous when she said that kids could have water bottles in class and had a snack during the day. I'm like "Wait, they just get up in class and go to their backpack and get food " I'm not 100%, but I thought her school did it because some of their kids have really late lunches and the administrators read some research showing they learn better when they are hydrated and not starving. Although in her school it has to be something "healthy" like fruit/veggies/cheese stick, although I think they only warn the kids if they bring something like chips or cookies. I'm assuming that programs say it's a "snack time" as a way to let parents know that it's ok to pack something for the kids. I think some of it is more of a change in terminology though. I never used the term "snacks" when I was a kid. I would just ask my parents (or not ask) if I could have something to eat. Now kids specifically use the word "snack" whenever they ask for something outside of a normal meal. Water bottles in class ( I assume elementary school) means more bathroom breaks. No wonder kids aren't learning as much.
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Post by beergut on Jul 10, 2017 22:37:25 GMT -5
It's programming camp, whoisjohngaltSend him in a with a case of Jolt cola, or risk him being ostracized as the kid who's mother doesn't love him.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 12, 2017 13:27:56 GMT -5
I think it's just more formalized than it used to be. When I was in school, we didn't have snacks and couldn't drink anything in class. My wife is a teacher and I thought it was ridiculous when she said that kids could have water bottles in class and had a snack during the day. I'm like "Wait, they just get up in class and go to their backpack and get food " I'm not 100%, but I thought her school did it because some of their kids have really late lunches and the administrators read some research showing they learn better when they are hydrated and not starving. Although in her school it has to be something "healthy" like fruit/veggies/cheese stick, although I think they only warn the kids if they bring something like chips or cookies. I'm assuming that programs say it's a "snack time" as a way to let parents know that it's ok to pack something for the kids. I think some of it is more of a change in terminology though. I never used the term "snacks" when I was a kid. I would just ask my parents (or not ask) if I could have something to eat. Now kids specifically use the word "snack" whenever they ask for something outside of a normal meal. Water bottles in class ( I assume elementary school) means more bathroom breaks. No wonder kids aren't learning as much. We practically had to write it into the 504 plan to let my 1st grader have a water bottle at his desk, but it seems to be teacher specific. We didn't have any issues in kindergarten (and his 1st grade teacher was fine with it once she understood the concern).
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 13, 2017 6:34:27 GMT -5
I don't remember drinking that much water during school. I don't think we even had anything that resembled water bottles....
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Post by Shooby on Jul 18, 2017 7:18:06 GMT -5
I don't remember drinking that much water during school. I don't think we even had anything that resembled water bottles.... We had these things in the hall called water fountains!
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Post by Shooby on Jul 18, 2017 7:19:08 GMT -5
I think it's just more formalized than it used to be. When I was in school, we didn't have snacks and couldn't drink anything in class. My wife is a teacher and I thought it was ridiculous when she said that kids could have water bottles in class and had a snack during the day. I'm like "Wait, they just get up in class and go to their backpack and get food " I'm not 100%, but I thought her school did it because some of their kids have really late lunches and the administrators read some research showing they learn better when they are hydrated and not starving. Although in her school it has to be something "healthy" like fruit/veggies/cheese stick, although I think they only warn the kids if they bring something like chips or cookies. I'm assuming that programs say it's a "snack time" as a way to let parents know that it's ok to pack something for the kids. I think some of it is more of a change in terminology though. I never used the term "snacks" when I was a kid. I would just ask my parents (or not ask) if I could have something to eat. Now kids specifically use the word "snack" whenever they ask for something outside of a normal meal. Water bottles in class ( I assume elementary school) means more bathroom breaks. No wonder kids aren't learning as much. School isn't really about actual learning anymore. It's more about making them feels good in their ignorance!
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Post by skubikky on Jul 18, 2017 9:09:36 GMT -5
Maybe summertime isn't the time for coding camp or any other sedentary activity but instead, outdoor, active things?
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