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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 7, 2017 10:04:16 GMT -5
I hate the snacks required for after soccer matches. The baseball games were a little trickier because they were held right around dinner time. My kids were either not hungry enough to eat much before, or ravenous by the time they were done. Saturday morning soccer matches? Not necessary at all. ODS's kindy teacher explained they had a morning snack for kids who didn't eat breakfast. It was annoying still, but the kids were little and were there all day, so fine. Whatever. I think I had milk in kindergarten even back in the olden days. 😉 In 1st grade, it was even more annoying. I wonder how many grades this snack thing will last.This camp is for grades 4-7, so.... Is it held on a college campus, though? If it is, I seriously think that they're just doing what they'd allow for the college students' breaks, but don't want to have to wait for a bunch of kids to hit the drinking fountain or snack machines at once. I'm sure it's totally fine if you don't want to send anything with your kid.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 7, 2017 10:09:07 GMT -5
Nope, it's held in local middle school
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 7, 2017 10:34:03 GMT -5
Nope, it's held in local middle school Ah, never mind then. It is ridiculous. They probably still have to contend with obnoxious parents, though. I.e., "Poor little Johnny just wanted to buy a candy bar, but wasn't allowed to by the big, mean people in charge."
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 7, 2017 11:13:32 GMT -5
I don't recall any of my college classes having snack time/potty time. We had class for an hour and you peed between courses. I had to eat lunch at 10:45 am because that was the only time that fit with my schedule.
I lived.
I think I would have been pissed at paying $635/credit hour and having to stop for a "potty break". By college you should be able to hold it.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 7, 2017 11:25:34 GMT -5
I don't recall any of my college classes having snack time/potty time. We had class for an hour and you peed between courses. I had to eat lunch at 10:45 am because that was the only time that fit with my schedule. I lived. I think I would have been pissed at paying $635/credit hour and having to stop for a "potty break". By college you should be able to hold it. These were night classes--3 credit hours all one night. Regular credit hours were 50 minutes long. Hence, a 10 minute break after each hour was built in. Some profs just did one, and finished a little earlier. Some skipped breaks all together and quit even earlier, with the understanding that people could step out quietly if/when they needed to. This could be for checking your phone, going to bathroom, grab a snack, whatever. Stretch your legs. 3 hours is a long time to focus on subjects that can be quite dry or intense.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 7, 2017 11:30:04 GMT -5
I don't recall any of my college classes having snack time/potty time. We had class for an hour and you peed between courses. I had to eat lunch at 10:45 am because that was the only time that fit with my schedule. I lived. I think I would have been pissed at paying $635/credit hour and having to stop for a "potty break". By college you should be able to hold it. These were night classes--3 credit hours all one night. Regular credit hours were 50 minutes long. Hence, a 10 minute break after each hour was built in. Some profs just did one, and finished a little earlier. Some skipped breaks all together and quit even earlier, with the understanding that people could step out quietly if/when they needed to. This could be for checking your phone, going to bathroom, grab a snack, whatever. Stretch your legs. 3 hours is a long time to focus on subjects that can be quite dry or intense. Same thing here. Especially in grad school. We had some classes that met once a week. A stretch break was nice.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 7, 2017 11:59:45 GMT -5
Every class in grad school I had - prof asked at the beg of the semester - do you want to take a break or finish early. Every.single.time everyone wanted to finish early.
I guess the assumption was that if you are in grad school, you can figure out how to quietly go pee if you REALLY need to, no reason to stop the entire class for 15 minutes
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 7, 2017 12:09:55 GMT -5
My kids only eat snacks. Not sure of the last time they actually ate a meal. I had no dinner plan last night. My AC died and I was a hot miserable mess. Dh came home with guacamole and I made dd's night by telling her that her dinner was guac and chips...
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 7, 2017 12:11:53 GMT -5
These were night classes--3 credit hours all one night. Regular credit hours were 50 minutes long. Hence, a 10 minute break after each hour was built in. Some profs just did one, and finished a little earlier. Some skipped breaks all together and quit even earlier, with the understanding that people could step out quietly if/when they needed to. This could be for checking your phone, going to bathroom, grab a snack, whatever. Stretch your legs. 3 hours is a long time to focus on subjects that can be quite dry or intense. Same thing here. Especially in grad school. We had some classes that met once a week. A stretch break was nice. Most of my doctoral classes were one night a week, 3 hours long. At 90 min. We got a pee/stretch break, and the machines (soda and food) were used. However, all of my class came directly from work and the classes were over dinner (6-9 pm). I ate so many cheese-its and peanut butter crackers that I can't stand the sight of either anymore.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 7, 2017 12:29:11 GMT -5
Quebec (And Finland, Sweden and Greece) have banned advertising of unhealthy snack food for children under 13. The UK and France are considering it.
They no longer clamour for Sugar-Os or Deep Fried Fat Fun Bites.
It seems to be working. Rates of obesity for children has gone down. Hungry? Have an apple.
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 7, 2017 12:43:56 GMT -5
Quebec (And Finland, Sweden and Greece) have banned advertising of unhealthy snack food for children under 13. The UK and France are considering it. They no longer clamour for Sugar-Os or Deep Fried Fat Fun Bites. It seems to be working. Rates of obesity for children has gone down. Hungry? Have an apple. But, the problem is too much of most foods isn't good whether they are chips or carrots. To me it's not the type of food (although that is an issue) it's the frequency and teaching kids that every time you take a break you eat. In this country, along with others fighting obesity in their kids, I think there are three major problems: the type of foods being offered, the frequency that food is being provided, and the portions that are available.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 12:49:06 GMT -5
Well, now they're telling us not to give the kids apples anymore either because the sugar content is so high in them. Apparently all these new varieties are worse for you teeth than soda. Our dentist recommends cheese sticks because it neutralizes acid.
It's like MN weather. Wait around 20 minutes and the food advice will change.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 7, 2017 12:54:32 GMT -5
To me it's not the type of food (although that is an issue) it's the frequency and teaching kids that every time you take a break you eat.
I don't really police what my kids eat to be honest. We're not that crazy to begin with so I don't really care if they eat Frosted Flakes for breakfast. What I don't want is them growing up thinking you can't do anything in life without food in your hand to keep you occupied. I've been getting on my MIL about this because she brings snacks EVERYWHERE to "entertain" the kids. Gwen is plenty old enough to sit thru church without a snack. So is Abby, if she gets bad enough I'll take her outside to the swing set. I don't want food to be a crutch. They need to learn proper social skills. Otherwise they end up as the dude sitting behind me chomping on 3 bags of Doritos while I try to listen to the music.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 7, 2017 13:04:32 GMT -5
To me it's not the type of food (although that is an issue) it's the frequency and teaching kids that every time you take a break you eat.
I don't really police what my kids eat to be honest. We're not that crazy to begin with so I don't really care if they eat Frosted Flakes for breakfast. What I don't want is them growing up thinking you can't do anything in life without food in your hand to keep you occupied. I've been getting on my MIL about this because she brings snacks EVERYWHERE to "entertain" the kids. Gwen is plenty old enough to sit thru church without a snack. So is Abby, if she gets bad enough I'll take her outside to the swing set. I don't want food to be a crutch. They need to learn proper social skills. Otherwise they end up as the dude sitting behind me chomping on 3 bags of Doritos while I try to listen to the music. Then you add in the culture of being the "good mom" who is prepared for all of her child's needs. When my kids started playing baseball and a mom organized snacks after the game, I participated! I was surprised at first, but then just joined in. When kids got older we also did a lot of parent participation things, but that is different. For high school football we would feed players dinner (coach approved) and then a large snack afterwards if we were at away games, which would be at 9pm and sometimes bus rides home were up to 3 hours.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 7, 2017 13:06:23 GMT -5
Regardless, children don't need to be bombarded with cartoon characters pushing empty-calorie foods.
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 7, 2017 13:48:35 GMT -5
Every family has their own schedule though. DS gets up and has breakfast at 6. By 9:30 he's ready for a snack because he doesn't eat huge meals. If there was no snack break in the camp that means some kids could be going without food for 6 hours. I'm not going to force DS to eat when he's not hungry to get him through a class. There is a difference though between providing the option for a mid-morning snack and even an after school snack, and providing food on an hourly basis and during every activity that a kid does. And it's starting to feel like kids are offered food all the time. It's like the default. Snacks and sugary drinks are offered at all kid's sporting events, at scouts, at a whole bunch of other clubs. My irritation is that I feel kids are getting conditioned to eat because food is available and it's part of the activity.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 7, 2017 13:54:40 GMT -5
Every family has their own schedule though. DS gets up and has breakfast at 6. By 9:30 he's ready for a snack because he doesn't eat huge meals. If there was no snack break in the camp that means some kids could be going without food for 6 hours. I'm not going to force DS to eat when he's not hungry to get him through a class. There is a difference though between providing the option for a mid-morning snack and even an after school snack, and providing food on an hourly basis and during every activity that a kid does. And it's starting to feel like kids are offered food all the time. It's like the default. Snacks and sugary drinks are offered at all kid's sporting events, at scouts, at a whole bunch of other clubs. My irritation is that I feel kids are getting conditioned to eat because food is available and it's part of the activity. Gwen gets mid morning snack, lunch and then a snack at Kids & Co. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is not only do they do all that but they also tend to use food as a reward/bribe on top of that. There is no reason my kid needs to be eating 4-5 times per day while in school. She will survive till I pick her up. Same with my complaint about the theater. You know what time it starts, you know when it ends. Can you seriously not adjust your schedule for two hours so you don't need to bring crap into the hall? I REALLY doubt all those people crunching and slupring had dietary issues that required them to eat 3 bags of potato chops and a Mtn Dew in a 45 minute period. You need to be able to occupy yourself without having to have food in your face constantly. We're sending the message that nothing is worth doing unless you can eat while you are doing.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jul 7, 2017 14:03:40 GMT -5
Since this is a camp, if everyone is eating snack at the 10:00 break and 11:15 wrap-up, the one who doesn't have a snack is left feeling left out.
i hate snack culture too. I stopped bringing snacks to the pool this year. Without fail, if some kids opens a bag of chips, my kids start begging for snacks as if they hadn't just eaten. Last weekend, I fed them a huge breakfast before walking to the playground, same scenario, some kids opens a bag of goldfish and more I'm hungry whining, sigh.
my oldest is 5 and joined her first soccer team in the fall. as expected a signup sheet went around for who's bringing snacks to each game. I made a comment that it seemed unnecessary for a 50 min game and I felt like a jackass when somebody said it is supposed to be fun. After experiencing the season, the snacks did seem to be what the kids enjoyed most.
i guess it is what it is. Fortunately we are active and don't buy desserts or junk food to keep in the house. So I will go along in the interest of social acceptance.
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Post by yogiii on Jul 7, 2017 14:30:23 GMT -5
send carrot sticks and plain celery Sort of an odd sounding snack but my kids love baby carrots dipped in peanut butter ETA - I realize that doesn't help your camp dilemma but just throwing it out there anyway
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Post by debthaven on Jul 7, 2017 14:33:49 GMT -5
I completely agree with your attitude JohnGalt! I think the constant snacking and the inability to go 15 min without a water bottle is ridiculous (I mean if you're inside, or at school ... I don't mean while doing sport/strenuous activity/being outside in the heat).
FWIW, in my 2h (college) classes, everyone prefers to finish early. But in my 3h (college) classes, everyone prefers to have a break (including me). Most of my classes are 1.5h, so no break.
One snack my kids have always loved (and still do lol) is cherry tomatoes with mini mozzarella balls (or a big rectangular portion of mozzarella cut up into little squares) on a toothpick. You can use other cheeses too. Part of the fun is making them.
But I agree, the constant snacking (and huge portions) are the main reasons so many people are overweight these days.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 7, 2017 15:07:56 GMT -5
Since this is a camp, if everyone is eating snack at the 10:00 break and 11:15 wrap-up, the one who doesn't have a snack is left feeling left out.i hate snack culture too. I stopped bringing snacks to the pool this year. Without fail, if some kids opens a bag of chips, my kids start begging for snacks as if they hadn't just eaten. Last weekend, I fed them a huge breakfast before walking to the playground, same scenario, some kids opens a bag of goldfish and more I'm hungry whining, sigh. my oldest is 5 and joined her first soccer team in the fall. as expected a signup sheet went around for who's bringing snacks to each game. I made a comment that it seemed unnecessary for a 50 min game and I felt like a jackass when somebody said it is supposed to be fun. After experiencing the season, the snacks did seem to be what the kids enjoyed most. i guess it is what it is. Fortunately we are active and don't buy desserts or junk food to keep in the house. So I will go along in the interest of social acceptance. That's the thing - I don't want my kids to eat just so they don't feel "left out". As a matter of fact, I don't want them to do anything just for that reason. And I don't want every fun activity to include food either. It's not that hard to give him an apple or bag of dry seaweed for a week of this camp. It won't make him fat or be any hardship for me. But as my kids are getting into more and more activities, physical or not - and there is usually food involved. There were snacks at 3 hr art camp last year. And pizza were brought in during 2.5-3 hr chess tournaments. DS2 gets pez candy after every gymnastics class. Every playdate we've had included food, regardless if it was in the park or someone's house. We were suppose to bring communal snacks for their co-op that was 3 hrs long. Besides tennis camp, I truly can not think of one activity that my kids did that did NOT include food.
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Post by yogiii on Jul 7, 2017 15:13:44 GMT -5
You can send him in with something and tell him only to eat it if he's hungry but bring it back if he doesn't feel like having it?
I remember kids in DS kindergarten class who did not eat at snack time. They just took a sip of water and sort of sat around. Kind of boring but the other kids at that age weren't really noticing, saying anything about it.
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Post by dee27 on Jul 7, 2017 15:15:23 GMT -5
Regardless of the sport, I don't remember supplying anything besides drinks (water or sports drinks).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 7, 2017 15:19:52 GMT -5
Dry seaweed... pfft. Everyone knows to computer coding camp you bring Hot Pockets. I agree with you BTW. It's been driving me batty that every time they do something in class they get a food reward. Gwen gets pizza parties, ice cream parties, tootsie rolls, jolly ranchers. It's pretty much a daily thing they get some sort of food treat as motivation/reward. That's on top of two snacks and lunch every day. I don't give the DOG that many treats as a reward. I don't like that the girls are getting the idea that any time something good happens you need to stuff your face. It's only a hop skip away from turning into if something bad happens. .. stuff your face. There is nothing wrong with an extrinsic reward once and awhile but why is it always FOOD? DH is thinking about sending the school our dental bills.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 7, 2017 15:23:28 GMT -5
As an adult there's candy at office desks, food at the gas station, restaurants inside the gym, beer carts on the golf course, etc. You can't go anywhere without being offered food for sale. It's our culture in general, not just kid culture. If you don't like it try sending an email to the organizers and other parents. In general I've found parents are pretty receptive to the idea of going with low sugar snacks like fruit or chunks of sliced up turkey. Kids are just as happy to work for stickers. Most kids will learn to turn down unhealthy foods if they get a chance to practice and feel like it could be available if they want it. Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not go and bring beer into this!
ETA: But honestly, I'd probably be a lot more willing to sit through a child's soccer game if there was beer at the end.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 7, 2017 15:24:15 GMT -5
You can send him in with something and tell him only to eat it if he's hungry but bring it back if he doesn't feel like having it? I remember kids in DS kindergarten class who did not eat at snack time. They just took a sip of water and sort of sat around. Kind of boring but the other kids at that age weren't really noticing, saying anything about it. The kids at my son's preschool class are taught to say, "no thank you" if they don't want a snack. (I think that may be the only reason for them to do snack time is to learn manners and try different kinds of foods? )
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Post by debthaven on Jul 7, 2017 15:34:23 GMT -5
As an adult there's candy at office desks, food at the gas station, restaurants inside the gym, beer carts on the golf course, etc. You can't go anywhere without being offered food for sale.
This is true ... but as an adult, you are not instructed to bring a snack every time you go to work/school/the gym/ or to do sport ...
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Post by quince on Jul 7, 2017 15:41:57 GMT -5
I like having snacks around. I want my son to snack. I want him to eat when he's hungry, not at scheduled mealtimes. I also like him to drink water when he's thirsty- people quite frequently don't drink enough water.
I don't want him to eat crap constantly, obviously.
Often, "snack breaks" are kind of like "smoke breaks" You don't have to snack- the point is generally a break, but if you're hungry/thirsty, now's the time to fix that. For a coding camp, they should be taking at least one break in a two hour stretch, preferably two, because it isn't great to stare at a computer screen for an unbroken hour, let alone two. Take a five minute break, stand up, stretch, have a snack if you're hungry and a drink if you're thirsty, and come back ready to work.
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Post by swamp on Jul 7, 2017 15:45:56 GMT -5
As an adult there's candy at office desks, food at the gas station, restaurants inside the gym, beer carts on the golf course, etc. You can't go anywhere without being offered food for sale. It's our culture in general, not just kid culture. If you don't like it try sending an email to the organizers and other parents. In general I've found parents are pretty receptive to the idea of going with low sugar snacks like fruit or chunks of sliced up turkey. Kids are just as happy to work for stickers. Most kids will learn to turn down unhealthy foods if they get a chance to practice and feel like it could be available if they want it. Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not go and bring beer into this!
ETA: But honestly, I'd probably be a lot more willing to sit through a child's soccer game if there was beer at the end.
what do you think is in my water bottle?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 7, 2017 15:45:57 GMT -5
the water part I agree with though. I think we need to encourage water drinking.
Sometimes I eat only 3-4 times a day... other times I graze. DS eats meals and snacks. I know they don't get the healthiest snacks at school/camp, but I know his lunch that I packed is relatively healthy and the other meals he has are relatively healthy too. The snacks I offer him are decent too. He's tall, thin, and active, so I'm not too worried.
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