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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 7:40:41 GMT -5
Your doctor sucks.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 7:41:37 GMT -5
JFC I am horrified at that. By which part specifically? I'm guessing the killing babies part, and yes there is a horror to that. Contrast it with warehousing them in institutions with no stimulation or education, lobotomies, electo shock, forced sterilization experiments like giving them syphalis just to see what happens... etc. and letting them live was pretty horrific too...
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Post by dannylion on May 22, 2017 7:51:01 GMT -5
Also, regarding Norway's work requirements, I just remembered that Norway is officially Lutheran, which likely affects their political institutions and views as well as influencing social and cultural values.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 22, 2017 8:14:06 GMT -5
I know many will not agree and it sounds horrible but you do not want a special needs child. If they know before hand how compromised they are it is a blessing to them and their families for euthanasia or best to have an abortion early on. Life is already a hell of a struggle if you are normal. This will cause a firestorm I know. Just say this is my opinion, and I shall keep it. My daughter has suffered, is suffering, and will continue to suffer. Many live their lives in hospitals and surgery after surgery. I just believe their needs to be a quality to life and not just pain and suffering. I am not one that says its a blessing, there is no blessing in a 46 year old shitting themselves and begging to buy toys day after day. I can deal with it as does my husband, but did you know the majority with children like this are divorced and of course its on a single mother?
If they indeed cut Medicaid like they are talking and its already impossible to get a child covered with pre existing conditions it will or could bankrupt you quickly. That does not mean that our daughter is not well taken care of, she is and will be long as we are alive. But her life has not been what she wants or what we want for her. It led her into having severe behavioral problems and I think a nervous breakdown, and most of you know all the issues we have and do face. She is 46, we are 70 and still taking care of her. And we still don't know for sure what will happen to her. I could not bear to leave her and watch her even further downward spiral, so here she is, it takes a toll and is exhausting believe me. I decided I'm not sitting around complaining about it, I did on here as I was at wits end but I do not to anyone I know or on facebook. Believe me no one would care anyway. You find yourself isolated pretty quickly anyway.
We have been waiting for over 6 months to get her in a program for 3 days a week and its still not finalized. They are talking about cutting funds and her main caseworker has over 65 clients a month he has to take care of now. There are no good places for them and leaves parents worrying till their dying days if they care about them.
So tell yourself it will be fine, no issues, and listen to all those that say its a blessing who will then walk away and never look back. Reality is a real slap in the face.
And yet I love her with all my being. Quite a conflict, yes?
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Post by milee on May 22, 2017 8:27:36 GMT -5
I know many will not agree and it sounds horrible but you do not want a special needs child. If they know before hand how compromised they are it is a blessing to them and their families for euthanasia or best to have an abortion early on. Life is already a hell of a struggle if you are normal. This will cause a firestorm I know. Just say this is my opinion, and I shall keep it. My daughter has suffered, is suffering, and will continue to suffer. Many live their lives in hospitals and surgery after surgery. I just believe their needs to be a quality to life and not just pain and suffering. I am not one that says its a blessing, there is no blessing in a 46 year old shitting themselves and begging to buy toys day after day. I can deal with it as does my husband, but did you know the majority with children like this are divorced and of course its on a single mother?
If they indeed cut Medicaid like they are talking and its already impossible to get a child covered with pre existing conditions it will or could bankrupt you quickly. That does not mean that our daughter is not well taken care of, she is and will be long as we are alive. But her life has not been what she wants or what we want for her. It led her into having severe behavioral problems and I think a nervous breakdown, and most of you know all the issues we have and do face. She is 46, we are 70 and still taking care of her. And we still don't know for sure what will happen to her. I could not bear to leave her and watch her even further downward spiral, so here she is, it takes a toll and is exhausting believe me. I decided I'm not sitting around complaining about it, I did on here as I was at wits end but I do not to anyone I know or on facebook. Believe me no one would care anyway. You find yourself isolated pretty quickly anyway.
We have been waiting for over 6 months to get her in a program for 3 days a week and its still not finalized. They are talking about cutting funds and her main caseworker has over 65 clients a month he has to take care of now. There are no good places for them and leaves parents worrying till their dying days if they care about them.
So tell yourself it will be fine, no issues, and listen to all those that say its a blessing who will then walk away and never look back. Reality is a real slap in the face.
And yet I love her with all my being. Quite a conflict, yes?
An understandable conflict. Your thoughts don't sound horrible at all - they sound like the reality of someone who has lived it. I'm glad you felt comfortable enough to share your views.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on May 22, 2017 8:46:26 GMT -5
Yes...well..it seems that my dr isn't even pushing to wait for birth. Rather he suggesting termination at 12 weeks if we don't get a perfect baby. The thing that upsets me the most is he didn't even warn me that for some of the Trisomy (aside from downs) issues, the Mat 21 test screening is only 60% correct as recent as two years ago. It's gone both ways. Parents have terminated healthy kids based on the screen, and some parents thought they were getting healthy kids and ended up with kid incompatible with life. Are you sure the accuracy of the Mat 21 test is that low? It has been a few about 5 years for us but we terminated a pregnancy based on both an ultra sound which showed an abnormally large sack at the base of the neck and a Mat21 test which was positive for Trisomy 13. The subsequent testing on the fetus confirmed the trisomy (of course I guess the hospital could just say it was confirmed, even if it wasn't, just to cover their own ass). I don't remember hearing accuracy numbers that low, but I could be just misremembering.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 22, 2017 8:57:29 GMT -5
I also remember better accuracy numbers than that, but perhaps it's just low for the one abnormality.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 22, 2017 8:58:38 GMT -5
I could never share it in the community, has to be an anonymous board. It's a horrible situation I would not wish on my worst enemy. Both for her and us. All the religious people around here would come down on me like a ton of rocks, but many of them in the past likely did it. This is why I am so adamant about keeping abortion legal, it needs to be there.
When I decided to bring her back home I thought my husband and I would get a divorce it was that bad, he said we could not live that way. I did not disagree, told him I would take her and move to another house, that it would just be destroying me. It was a bad time last year, but I could not leave her there and watch her go backwards in her self worth, her dress, she was looking slovenly and just didn't care like the rest. You could see all these people that had just given up. He said if I brought her home he didn't want to hear me complaining about it anymore, that is hard. But he decided she is our responsibility and said he would do it too, he has always been responsible. But sometimes its a strain, he has worked hard to get to know her as he always worked away and she wasn't that close to her dad. He keeps the motorhome up so I can take her, its really the only way we can travel long distances, that really costs us and he bought the pontoon boat so she can enjoy it and appears she is, so it will get used more. We have had a hard time dealing with it, our marriage has struggled, but we are still here and no I don't recommend this to anyone. She and dad are doing better together, she is getting to know him and they are having fun together. I have issues with her behavior at times, nothing like before, but if it starts getting out of hand with the screaming, I just tell her she can go back to the place she was before if that is how she chooses to be, terrible isn't it, but it stops it. Still it all falls on me and I'm not young. We have agreed we will try to do it till age 80, I watch my health and his appears good. We are talking and she is a part of what we will have to do in the future and of possibly assisted living if they will take her. She really needs to be 55 or older. If current programs stay in tact she can have through her CIH waiver outside help for outings, even meds and hygiene help if needed, but who knows if those programs will be there. So its day by day and about all we can do. She is off most of the psych meds and she is doing pretty good, but they also think she is aging faster then normal, 3 years ago she had more gray then me so who knows.
As the state case worker said, we are one of the lucky ones, she has done better since home, but that is rare how severe she was.
If someone gives thought to doing this have them write me privately and I can tell you a lot of issues you can or likely will face, its not pretty, and you better be tough as nails.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 22, 2017 9:00:56 GMT -5
Be very very careful. I would error to the side of it having issues. But I have intense bias.
Our son was very very careful, he said they had every test known to man and in S Korea if they found something wrong they would not hesitate in any way to terminate. He did not tell us they were expecting till almost 6 months in case they had to. Thankfully he is a perfect, we think so far, little boy.
I do think him having a son will change his outlook toward his sister some, that's been rocky also, it doesn't just affect the one child but the whole family.
Well enough said, off of here, have work to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 9:03:29 GMT -5
Meta analysis. Detection rates are worse on 13 than 21... only 91%, and false positives are 4 times worse! Or if you look at the data, .35% versus .09% for 21. "Screening for trisomies 18 and 13 The performance of cfDNA analysis of maternal blood in the identification of singleton pregnancies with fetal trisomy 18 or 13, with respective DRs of about 96% and 91% and a combined FPR of 0.26%, is worse than is the performance of screening for trisomy 21. The objective of trying to identify all three trisomies, rather than trisomy 21 alone, is achieved at the expense of a four-fold increase in the FPR, from 0.09% to 0.35%. Furthermore, the number of affected cases examined, 389 for trisomy 18 and 139 for trisomy 13, was considerably smaller than that for trisomy 21, and the heterogeneity in DR and FPR between studies was much higher for trisomy 13 than for the other two trisomies." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/uog.14791/full
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 22, 2017 9:06:25 GMT -5
Pat, thank you for always being real and honest. It seems like people care more about what could or couldn't be on their own conscience than they do about the quality of life of the person affected.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 9:07:48 GMT -5
I know I would terminate for a lot of defects. I wasn't faulting gira's doctor for suggesting that. What I can't stand about the guy is that he can't just let this be a normal pregnancy. She hasn't even had any tests yet and he's talking termination. Heck, he's skeptical she'll even carry long enough to be tested, because...you know...old.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 22, 2017 9:11:42 GMT -5
I know I would terminate for a lot of defects. I wasn't faulting gira's doctor for suggesting that. What I can't stand about the guy is that he can't just let this be a normal pregnancy. She hasn't even had any tests yet and he's talking termination. Heck, he's skeptical she'll even carry long enough to be tested, because...you know...old. yeah, that would be enough to change doctors or at least go ham on this particular doctor until he stopped with all the "you're old so you'll definitely have problems" BS. Also, I thought it was that if you were over 35 and this was your first pregnancy that you were more likely to have issues. Gira's already had 3 kids and it's not like she's 50.
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Post by milee on May 22, 2017 9:14:08 GMT -5
I know I would terminate for a lot of defects. I wasn't faulting gira's doctor for suggesting that. What I can't stand about the guy is that he can't just let this be a normal pregnancy. She hasn't even had any tests yet and he's talking termination. Heck, he's skeptical she'll even carry long enough to be tested, because...you know...old. Different people have differing views on what they would prefer and of course bedside manner has a lot to do with how things are perceived, but none of the things this doc has reportedly said are inappropriate from a medical standpoint. Women above a certain age are at greater risk for pregnancy complications; women above a certain weight are at greater risk for pregnancy complications; if the woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy for any reason it is easier medically and (sometimes) legally before certain dates; there are tests that - with varying degrees of accuracy - predict certain fetal abnormalities; women above a certain age are at greater risk of having a fetus with certain abnormalities. His delivery may stink and his views may not correspond to his patients', but the gist of the medical advice hasn't been inaccurate. That said, I think Gira would be more comfortable with a doc that had closer personal views to hers and who was able to interact with her in a way that didn't make her uncomfortable. That doesn't mean the doc stinks or that Gira is nutty, it just doesn't sound like a match.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 9:15:04 GMT -5
Back in the day before birth control, large families and having kids every couple of years into the mid-40's was not unusual.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 9:18:24 GMT -5
I guess it depends on the wording of 'perfect baby' and if that's g or the doctor. Everyone does need to make their own decisions. I see doctors role as providing as many facts and information as possible, and allowing the patient to make an informed decision. Giving a stark reality fine. Not trying to influence either way.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 9:19:17 GMT -5
I know I would terminate for a lot of defects. I wasn't faulting gira's doctor for suggesting that. What I can't stand about the guy is that he can't just let this be a normal pregnancy. She hasn't even had any tests yet and he's talking termination. Heck, he's skeptical she'll even carry long enough to be tested, because...you know...old. Different people have differing views on what they would prefer and of course bedside manner has a lot to do with how things are perceived, but none of the things this doc has reportedly said are inappropriate from a medical standpoint. Women above a certain age are at greater risk for pregnancy complications; women above a certain weight are at greater risk for pregnancy complications; if the woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy for any reason it is easier medically and (sometimes) legally before certain dates; there are tests that - with varying degrees of accuracy - predict certain fetal abnormalities; women above a certain age are at greater risk of having a fetus with certain abnormalities. His delivery may stink and his views may not correspond to his patients', but the gist of the medical advice hasn't been inaccurate. That said, I think Gira would be more comfortable with a doc that had closer personal views to hers and who was able to interact with her in a way that didn't make her uncomfortable. That doesn't mean the doc stinks or that Gira is nutty, it just doesn't sound like a match. But, why not cross that bridge when (and if) you get to it? Sure she's at a greater risk of Down's. Heck it's 100X greater, but it's still less than 1% chance. As for the miscarriage, what's the point of telling her to not get her hopes up? There's nothing to do to stop a miscarriage and they happen to women at every age. Telling her that just stresses her out.
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Post by zibazinski on May 22, 2017 9:19:19 GMT -5
I worry more about DS's girlfriend who keeps talking about having kids. She's at least 36 and DS is almost 34 so you have old eggs and old sperm. If she gets pregnant I'll have to really zip my lips. Hopefully she gets whatever tests are available and fingers crossed there are no mistakes. In my years of teaching kids with special needs there have been two intact couples parenting. All the fathers left. I'd hate for DS to do the same thing.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 22, 2017 9:24:46 GMT -5
I worry more about DS's girlfriend who keeps talking about having kids. She's at least 36 and DS is almost 34 so you have old eggs and old sperm. If she gets pregnant I'll have to really zip my lips. Hopefully she gets whatever tests are available and fingers crossed there are no mistakes. In my years of teaching kids with special needs there have been two intact couples parenting. All the fathers left. I'd hate for DS to do the same thing. I don't see the need for alarm. She's 36, not 46.
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Post by milee on May 22, 2017 9:33:42 GMT -5
Different people have differing views on what they would prefer and of course bedside manner has a lot to do with how things are perceived, but none of the things this doc has reportedly said are inappropriate from a medical standpoint. Women above a certain age are at greater risk for pregnancy complications; women above a certain weight are at greater risk for pregnancy complications; if the woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy for any reason it is easier medically and (sometimes) legally before certain dates; there are tests that - with varying degrees of accuracy - predict certain fetal abnormalities; women above a certain age are at greater risk of having a fetus with certain abnormalities. His delivery may stink and his views may not correspond to his patients', but the gist of the medical advice hasn't been inaccurate. That said, I think Gira would be more comfortable with a doc that had closer personal views to hers and who was able to interact with her in a way that didn't make her uncomfortable. That doesn't mean the doc stinks or that Gira is nutty, it just doesn't sound like a match. But, why not cross that bridge when (and if) you get to it? Sure she's at a greater risk of Down's. Heck it's 100X greater, but it's still less than 1% chance. As for the miscarriage, what's the point of telling her to not get her hopes up? There's nothing to do to stop a miscarriage and they happen to women at every age. Telling her that just stresses her out. We may be reading different things into the posts. I think when Gira posts about what her doc said, it's a summary of her feelings and reactions to what he said, not necessarily a quote. I don't think he actually said, "You need to terminate at 12 weeks if you don't have a perfect baby" or "don't get your hopes up about being pregnant since you're a fat old lady and will probably miscarry." I assumed (and obviously that could be totally wrong) that he was laying out facts and she is reacting to those facts. Pretty normal when you're pregnant, hormonal, scared. For things like genetic abnormalities, it's the job of a good doc to warn you about the risks so you can decide what types of tests (if any) you want to have and help you to prepare mentally for what decisions you might have to make in a very short time period. With my first son, there were some questions about potential issues. Our doc described the risks and what the test options were. We decided to have certain tests and not others based on the risks and information. She also gave us the heads-up that if the tests indicated certain things, we'd only have a few days to decide if we wanted to terminate since it would be getting late in the pregnancy and terminations after a certain date were riskier medically and much more difficult to find docs to do. Very uncomfy conversation, but instead of being mad at the doc I was grateful she warned me so I could think through things on my own and discuss them with my husband without feeling like anything had to be decided in two days or something like that. But I also understand that everybody reacts differently to those types of conversations and situations. I like to know the risks and issues so I can process and think through what I would do; other people don't want that added stress or since new information wouldn't change their decision anyway just want to focus on positive things. There is no one "right" way to do this, just what the people involved find works for them.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 22, 2017 9:58:22 GMT -5
In my years of teaching kids with special needs there have been two intact couples parenting. All the fathers left. I'd hate for DS to do the same thing.
Yep that is what I'm saying, the men, oh they just can't handle it poor things.
I imagine this doc has had a lot of experience with this sort of thing, perhaps he even has a special needs child, who knows? I appreciate that the man is very up front about it and you guys should be too.
Son was 46, talk about taking a chance and DIL 36, now that is old. But like I said they did extensive testing.
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Post by giramomma on May 22, 2017 10:03:10 GMT -5
Yes...well..it seems that my dr isn't even pushing to wait for birth. Rather he suggesting termination at 12 weeks if we don't get a perfect baby. The thing that upsets me the most is he didn't even warn me that for some of the Trisomy (aside from downs) issues, the Mat 21 test screening is only 60% correct as recent as two years ago. It's gone both ways. Parents have terminated healthy kids based on the screen, and some parents thought they were getting healthy kids and ended up with kid incompatible with life. Are you sure the accuracy of the Mat 21 test is that low? It has been a few about 5 years for us but we terminated a pregnancy based on both an ultra sound which showed an abnormally large sack at the base of the neck and a Mat21 test which was positive for Trisomy 13. The subsequent testing on the fetus confirmed the trisomy (of course I guess the hospital could just say it was confirmed, even if it wasn't, just to cover their own ass). I don't remember hearing accuracy numbers that low, but I could be just misremembering. I don't have time to dig up the articles right now. But, the Boston globe ran an article within the last two years. It seems it affects the trisomy issues with boys vs. girls. The screening for downs is right on... The gist of the article was to not take the screening as gospel truth. But, to get further testing to confirm. And I know it's not like thousands of babies are being affected by this every year. They only profiled literally, a handful of people in the story. But, still.
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Post by giramomma on May 22, 2017 10:28:30 GMT -5
I think when Gira posts about what her doc said, it's a summary of her feelings and reactions to what he said, not necessarily a quote. I don't think he actually said, "You need to terminate at 12 weeks if you don't have a perfect baby" or "don't get your hopes up about being pregnant since you're a fat old lady and will probably miscarry." I assumed (and obviously that could be totally wrong) that he was laying out facts and she is reacting to those facts. Pretty normal when you're pregnant, hormonal, scared. Yes, and no. He told me, as a 42 year old, that my miscarriage rate was 50%. And that despite seeing the heartbeat, that was no guarantee at this point in time. When I saw him, at 8w and some odd days, my actual miscarriage rate was likely not 50%. I wanted to be a smart ass and say "Well, shoot, 50% isn't so bad. My miscarriage rate at 4 weeks would have been 75% or so. So glad we made it out of that one!" I really like using this handy chart datayze.com/miscarriage-chart.php..it was based on peer reviewed papers, has a large aggregate of women to draw from, AND takes into account my risk factors of age and weight, and previous chemical pregnancy. According to this chart, my miscarriage rate is not a steady 50%. When I saw him..my miscarriage rate was about 25% or so percent. Now, I'm getting under 10%. He also said, based on the results of my testing, that I could 1) terminate or 2) continue with the pregnancy. He didn't even offer additional testing to make sure the screening was accurate. Because we should just accept the results without questioning. He also didn't even bring up the fact that he had to pre-authorize the test for me...and tell me that I needed to schedule the test out, minimally three weeks so that we could get all the insurance paperwork done before I allowed them to draw my blood. Labs charge 8K or so for the running of the test. (However, if you fight them, apparently, you can get that reduced to 200..which is likely what I'll end up paying for it.) I don't want to get greeted with such a bill because I was caught unaware that insurance didn't automatically grant coverage for such a test. I don't have the time and energy to fight medical bills at this juncture. And, yes. With my weight. He did not ask about my exercise regime. He didn't even ask general questions about my diet, or even offer for me to see a dietician or suggest a good diet to follow. He just told me that I need to be able to exercise for 30 minutes a day before the baby comes, and that I need to make sure that I don't gain more than 20 lbs. He didn't ask if I typically gain a lot of weight, and when I do. He didn't ask how quick I get back into my pre-pregnancy clothing. He didn't even specify what type of exercise I should be doing. Did he mean I should be able to do a 5K in 6 months? Zumba for 30 minutes with no breaks? Was walking enough? Nor, did he offer resources for that. I've actually found that I've got breath shortness. It's a thing first trimester. And in reflecting, that was one of my "symptoms." I literally went from being able to handle the C25K training program to having issues being able to breathe well enough while I was running over the course of a few days. My OB also did not ask me why my RE chose to treat me at my near current weight for #3, and if there were any issues with that. I mean, my OB was looking at my records and saw that I had to have an IUI +injectibles to conceive this last one. So, there were plenty of points for dialog. Instead, he chose to make assumptions. GIRA is obese. She MUST not be exercising. She MUST be gaining a shit ton of weight after each pregnancy. I didn't get a chance to call around last week...but my plan this week is to find a new OB. I mean, if my OB is so worried that I'm high risk, wouldn't he want to see me, again, before I hit 20 weeks? That doesn't make sense, either. I won't see him until after my anatomy scan is done, closer to 24 weeks, actually. I'll be seeing Nurse Practitioners in the mean time.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 22, 2017 10:31:12 GMT -5
If he's so worried he should have referred you directly to a high risk OB. That's what they do here, they told me that at my first appointment.
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Post by milee on May 22, 2017 11:00:29 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to call around last week...but my plan this week is to find a new OB. Sounds like a good plan.
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Post by bean29 on May 22, 2017 11:06:56 GMT -5
The countries you list have their own problems--growing income inequality in France, increasing limited access to higher education access in Germany, etc. The U.S. was founded on different premises than the countries you list. Our Puritan and colonial ancestors had a "work or starve" ethic. We haven't really lost that although we do have safety nets for those who truly need it. We have welfare, Medicaid (and Medicare for the elderly), subsidized housing, Earned Income Tax Credit for working families, Pell Grants and subsidized loans, etc. We have Head Start and strong Special Education laws that will spend thousands to provide a "free and appropriate" education to children with disabilities. What you want is basically socialized government paid for with really high taxes. You can see a fuller set of rankings hereI think first world countries are traditionally defined as developed countries with access to most of what you list. It doesn't have to be government-provided to qualify.
I have a niece that just graduated with a nursing degree that has $90,000 says she is $90,000 in debt. May include new car debt, but she has at least $60,000 in Student Loan debt and she had a good tuition scholarship. I have another niece who's fiancé had to co-sign for her Student loan debt b/c she already had $100,000 in debt. DS just graduated with $30,000 in student loan debt, and I have an additional $30,000+ for a parent plus loan. DD has student loans of at least $12,000 so far. My one SIL indicated she did not know how she will ever pay off the parent plus loans she has for her kids.
I agree that health care in the US is not first world. We are only one job loss or major illness away from disaster. I don't know what to think about paid maternity leave, b/c at 50+ DH and I have no disability insurance...if I am going to pay for young people to have maternity leave, why isn't someone providing me with disability coverage?
Count me in as thinking higher education in the US is becoming unaffordable. My Father in law needs insulin to control his diabetes, my MIL indicated on Friday that his Medicare Supplement is not covering the insulin again. We have to stop letting the robber barons loot the country.
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bean29
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Post by bean29 on May 22, 2017 11:28:52 GMT -5
Wow GIRA, I hope you can find a Dr. you can relate to better. If I remember correctly you are in Madison, so I assume you have access to some top notch Doctors. Hopefully you will be able to breathe better when you get into the 2nd trimester.
I just don't understand how people can be pro-life and not provide insurance/care/support for special needs children and adults. Hopefully once this group gets a better understanding of the issues involved they will change their priorities.
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 22, 2017 11:34:55 GMT -5
Wow GIRA, I hope you can find a Dr. you can relate to better. If I remember correctly you are in Madison, so I assume you have access to some top notch Doctors. Hopefully you will be able to breathe better when you get into the 2nd trimester.
I just don't understand how people can be pro-life and not provide insurance/care/support for special needs children and adults. Hopefully once this group gets a better understanding of the issues involved they will change their priorities. Someone mentioned our puritanical roots awhile back. This is also where this stems from. If a child is born "different" then that is a direct moral failing on your part and God is punishing you for your sins. This is your burden to bear as penance. You may never know what it is you did but clearly you did something. Good moral pious people are not obligated to help you shoulder your burden.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 22, 2017 11:43:35 GMT -5
Whoops, back up a minute, reread, DD does not have bowel issues all the time, she has diverticulosis and at times she can't control herself till she gets to a bathroom, It is not daily. But you never know when.
Don't mean it to sound any worse then it is.
I think we are a first world country, but under trump and the republicans we will not continue to be. All the money is going to be in a few hands at the top with the rest of us fighting and begging for the crumbs.
People may not be starving here, but I agree with DH I am sure there are a lot that are very very hungry, especially kids. They cut breakfast and lunch, the kids will be starving.
We are considering if son comes home of helping them to send their son to a private school if needed. They are wanting to cut the heck out of schooling too and we don't want him going to a religious school, we believe in separation of church and state.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 22, 2017 11:46:41 GMT -5
As the baby boomers die and retire, I suspect there will be a HUGE change in how businesses, schooling, and healthcare is handled. I predict a lot more small(er) businesses popping up, a resurgence in the trades, and either an improvement of current K-12 schools or a huge increase in homeschooling.
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