alabamagal
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Post by alabamagal on May 15, 2017 15:53:43 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/us/penn-state-fraternity-piazza-family-interview/index.htmlThe Penn State hazing death. Comments from the lawyer of one of the defendents: "The government assumes that these young men, many of whom were intoxicated themselves, should have been able to differentiate symptoms of extreme intoxication from symptoms of a life threatening head injury. That is an impossible burden to place on them," the attorney, Steve Trialonas, said May 8. Extreme intoxication = "call 911". Head injury = "call 911". There is no need to diagnose, the need is to call for help.
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dee27
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Post by dee27 on May 15, 2017 16:05:31 GMT -5
I heard on the news that one of the frat members (K.Davis) wanted to call 911 and his concerns were dismissed by the other members of the frat. I do not know much about the structure of fraternities, but isn't saving a person's life more important than being sanctioned for hazing and underage drinking? Overindulgence of alcohol is not an excuse for their callous behavior.
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ken a.k.a OMK
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 15, 2017 16:20:28 GMT -5
I was in a fraternity in college late 60's and pledges didn't drink. In fact drinking by the brothers involved in the pledging process was discouraged. Anytime a brother started hazing he was removed.
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kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on May 15, 2017 16:50:42 GMT -5
I was in a fraternity in college late 60's and pledges didn't drink. In fact drinking by the brothers involved in the pledging process was discouraged. Anytime a brother started hazing he was removed. Yeah - but this is Penn State. In the past few years they've shown themselves to be pretty ethically challenged, just sayin' . . . .
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alabamagal
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Post by alabamagal on May 15, 2017 17:42:46 GMT -5
I get the drinking. And I even get the hazing to some extent (well maybe only a small extent).
My youngest just graduated college. I know kids do stupid things in college. I did stupid things in college. But the group mentality is really bothersome. In a lot of ways I am glad my kids did not so fraternities/sororities. The idea of fitting in is more important than making good decisions.
I read where one kid claimed he wanted to call 911, but others told him not to. Every kid has a phone. Walk outside and call. Lock yourself in the bathroom and call.
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Tennesseer
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Post by Tennesseer on May 15, 2017 18:19:09 GMT -5
I get the drinking. And I even get the hazing to some extent (well maybe only a small extent). My youngest just graduated college. I know kids do stupid things in college. I did stupid things in college. But the group mentality is really bothersome. In a lot of ways I am glad my kids did not so fraternities/sororities. The idea of fitting in is more important than making good decisions. I read where one kid claimed he wanted to call 911, but others told him not to. Every kid has a phone. Walk outside and call. Lock yourself in the bathroom and call. That is what I do not understand. The kid knew something serious was wrong with the other student. He spoke to the other frat members that they should call 911. They said no. So the kid backs off and does nothing. I get that most everyone wants to be part of a group. And in college, frats and sororities are important groups to some. Was this guy who backed away from calling for help afraid he would be ostracized from fraternities at Penn State? Outside fraternity row, this guy would have been considered a hero. Now? Not at all.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2017 18:54:32 GMT -5
This stuff has gone on for decades. I was in college in the 70's and both fraternities and sororities hazed and drank like fishes. I'm sorry that it hadn't changed.
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JustLurkin
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This is what you look like right now.
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Post by JustLurkin on May 15, 2017 18:54:50 GMT -5
The minute by minute transcript of cell phone texts was printed. I read some of it, burst into tears and couldn't finish. It was a blow by blow of a slow agonizing death. My God, when my 16-year old dog was reaching the end, he peed himself, started to cry and we rushed him to the vet. When a deer hit my car a year ago, I called my dad...he asked if I was ok, if my son was ok, if the deer was suffering... This young man suffered vomiting, seizures, people punched him trying to revive him, put him in the tub, he tried walking and went into walls, fell down stairs...God knows what else. How could so many people just sit and watch this man suffer? These are people you want to refer to as 'brother'?
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kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on May 15, 2017 18:58:58 GMT -5
The minute by minute transcript of cell phone texts was printed. I read some of it, burst into tears and couldn't finish. It was a blow by blow of a slow agonizing death. My God, when my 16-year old dog was reaching the end, he peed himself, started to cry and we rushed him to the vet. When a deer hit my car a year ago, I called my dad...he asked if I was ok, if my son was ok, if the deer was suffering... This young man suffered vomiting, seizures, people punched him trying to revive him, put him in the tub, he tried walking and went into walls, fell down stairs...God knows what else. How could so many people just sit and watch this man suffer? These are people you want to refer to as 'brother'? Apparently the family is going to request the filing of torture charges along with wrongful death charges. Personally, I hope they find a good enough lawyer to make it stick
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dee27
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Post by dee27 on May 15, 2017 19:04:12 GMT -5
My niece left the University of RI freshman year because of the rampant underage drinking on campus. She was not a shrinking violet, but when her classmates spent more time puking than going to class, she was mature enough to transfer to another college where she did not live on campus.
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