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[naughtybear]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4298066/Herpes-cases-rise-NYC-Jewish-babies.html


I just don't have any words for this.

[haapai]

Is your muteness because the Mail is leaving out a heck of a lot of details that would make clear how fringy-fringy-fringy this particular bris ritual is or because of the practice itself continues? 

I'm willing to bet that if you questioned 100 mohels regarding this particular case, you'd find 99 guys who were far more upset about it than you are. 

[swamp]

So NYC can bar you from having a 24 oz. coke but lets a mohel with herpes continue to run around.

Someones priorities are mixed up.

[naughtybear]

I'm astonished that this practice is still ongoing AND now these children have herpes.

Who pissed in your Wheaties.

[swamp]

Mar 10, 2017 11:14:57 GMT -5 naughtybear said:

I'm astonished that this practice is still ongoing.

Who pissed in your Wheaties.

I am too. You completely missed my point.  NYC regulates the crap out of nutritional stuff, but permits a practice that is dangerous to newborns.   I think it's a horrible practice.

[naughtybear]

Wasn't talking to you, Hapaai seems to be a little .. perturbed at the post.

[naughtybear]

Yes, I know this. I had not heard of this practice, it's really far out there IMO and now these babies have herpes.

[justme]

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

[swamp]

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

Not on their penis, though!!!!

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Mar 10, 2017 11:34:55 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

to be fair,  I'd hope that mom, dad, or grandma isn't kissing the baby's genitals.  If they were baby's got bigger problems than herpes 

mouth to mouth would transfer it too.

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Mar 10, 2017 11:38:41 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:37:12 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

mouth to mouth would transfer it too.

Right,  but that doesn't result in genital herpes.  It's pretty common to transmit oral herpes from innocuous kisses. 

But the babies had simples 1 (oral herpes).  I mean, they acquired it through the genital wounds, but the virus is the same. 

[justme]

Mar 10, 2017 11:38:41 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:37:12 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

mouth to mouth would transfer it too.

Right,  but that doesn't result in genital herpes.  It's pretty common to transmit oral herpes from innocuous kisses. 

No. Hsv-1 is most often found around the mouth and hsv-2 is most often found on the genitals, but they are essential the same virus and can be found in either area. So you have have 1 on your genitals and 2 on your mouth.

The labeling one as oral herpes and one as genital is incorrect. Though likely comes from the fact that the 80% of the population that has hsv-1 doesn't want to be stigmatized as those with the second variant are...also why most prefer to call it a cold sore versus what it really is - a herpes outbreak.

[justme]

Mar 10, 2017 11:36:45 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

Not on their penis, though!!!!

Not from mom or grandma hopefully - but the kid could easily get hsv-1 on their penis from relations with gfs when they're older.

[justme]

Mar 10, 2017 11:50:27 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

but it still stands that grandma kissing little johnny on the mouth won't result in genital herpes regardless of the type, which was the point I was making. 

It most likely wouldn't result in the sores appearing in the genital area, no. Still the same herpes strain though.

[MarleyKeezy78]

I wanna know why anyone in their right mind would think this would be an acceptable practice anyway!!! I respect religion but WTF!!! You try to put your mouth on my kids genitals and I'll kick your ass   I'm sorry if I offend anyone but that is just so gross!!!

[Tennesseer]

Mar 11, 2017 15:28:11 GMT -5 MarleyKeezy78 said:

I wanna know why anyone in their right mind would think this would be an acceptable practice anyway!!! I respect religion but WTF!!! You try to put your mouth on my kids genitals and I'll kick your ass   I'm sorry if I offend anyone but that is just so gross!!!

Keep in mind this is a religious rite. The mohel is invited by the parents to perform this procedure and all it entails. Few Americans practice this..

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Mar 10, 2017 11:50:42 GMT -5 justme said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:36:45 GMT -5 swamp said:

Not on their penis, though!!!!

Not from mom or grandma hopefully - but the kid could easily get hsv-1 on their penis from relations with gfs when they're older.

how does that possibly influence reaction to this story?

[justme]

Mar 12, 2017 0:24:36 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:50:42 GMT -5 justme said:

Not from mom or grandma hopefully - but the kid could easily get hsv-1 on their penis from relations with gfs when they're older.

how does that possibly influence reaction to this story?

Did you read my first post in this thread?

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

how does the prevalence affect anything?

And your prevalence is very misleading. It is 50-80 percent for adults, NOT the population. 
www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/adult/infectious_diseases/Oral_Herpes_22,OralHerpes/


There can also be complications for some people with other conditions
www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/herpes-simplex/possible-complications.html



And people with herpes shouldn't be giving it to kids in any way, shape or form. If I had herpes I'd be very careful about spreading it, and I think those with it should do the same. I'd be super careful around kids in particular. 

And none of this really has anything to do with this hideous story. 

[justme]

Mar 12, 2017 11:37:46 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

how does the prevalence affect anything?

And your prevalence is very misleading. It is 50-80 percent for adults, NOT the population. 
www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/adult/infectious_diseases/Oral_Herpes_22,OralHerpes/


There can also be complications for some people with other conditions
www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/herpes-simplex/possible-complications.html



And people with herpes shouldn't be giving it to kids in any way, shape or form. If I had herpes I'd be very careful about spreading it, and I think those with it should do the same. I'd be super careful around kids in particular. 

And none of this really has anything to do with this hideous story. 

Again, that's why I said it was shitty.

Your link on the lower prevalence doesn't work.

"Oral herpes (such as cold sores or fever blisters on or around the mouth) is usually caused by HSV-1. Most people are infected with HSV-1 during childhood from non-sexual contact. For example, people can get infected from a kiss from a relative or friend with oral herpes."
www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes.htm

There's the cdc saying most get it during childhood. Mayo clinic has a graphic depicting that a lot of children are affected.



As to prevalence - if you go to a doctor and ask for a std test they only test for syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea. Unless you specifically request being tested for hsv/herpes you don't get tested. So the actual number is estimated and varies depending upon sources, especially since most people aren't actually tested for both strains. Also, most sources use 14 or 15 as the start of "adult". Here's an university that says as many as 90% of adults have it umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/herpes-simplex-virus and states that adolescence 62% have it.



As to what it has to do with the story...with such a high prevalence in the population, there's a high risk that infants would contract it during that procedure. In fact, it's likely that many more than documented have they just didn't get the rash that tipped off the parents/medical staff. It's almost impossible to remove the risk of infection in the given procedure, so just going after this one individual will not stop the infection of the virus in this manner.

[thyme4change]

Religions are weird.
Circumcision should really fade away, especially for non-religious reasons.

[cktc]

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

Herpes can be deadly for infants though. That's the big problem here. I don't care if my son is going to get it eventually, he's not getting kissed on the mouth, or elsewhere, as long as I can prevent it.

[justme]

Mar 14, 2017 10:36:12 GMT -5 cktc said:

Mar 10, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -5 justme said:

It's a shitty practice, and infants shouldn't be getting sick. And they should regulate the practice.

But at the same time, over 80% of the population has hsv-1. The kids likely would have gotten it via a kiss from dad or grandma or something.

I'd be pissed my kid got it that way, but I also wouldn't have let it happen to begin with.

Herpes can be deadly for infants though. That's the big problem here. I don't care if my son is going to get it eventually, he's not getting kissed on the mouth, or elsewhere, as long as I can prevent it.

Hence saying it's a shitty practice and saying it should be regulated...

[MJ2.0]

Mar 12, 2017 15:41:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Religions are weird.
Circumcision should really fade away, especially for non-religious reasons.

It does make it easier for boys to keep that area clean. When the skin isn't pulled back and properly cleaned, they can get some nasty infections. Besides that, I agree it shouldn't be happening.

[thyme4change]

Mar 14, 2017 11:11:48 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Mar 12, 2017 15:41:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Religions are weird.
Circumcision should really fade away, especially for non-religious reasons.

It does make it easier for boys to keep that area clean. When the skin isn't pulled back and properly cleaned, they can get some nasty infections. Besides that, I agree it shouldn't be happening.

And it would be easier if we all shaved our heads. No lice, etc. But we don't.