The Democratic media attack against the President is failing

[thyme4change]

Well of course not "everyone" as in all 7 billion people on the planet.

Who was 'the guy' that predicted his win and says Trump won't finish his term? The only disinterested party I saw that predicted his win was the guy with 9 questions and I don't think he has such a clear path to predict impeachment.

[Opti]

Mar 9, 2017 21:34:02 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Well of course not "everyone" as in all 7 billion people on the planet.

Who was 'the guy' that predicted his win and says Trump won't finish his term? The only disinterested party I saw that predicted his win was the guy with 9 questions and I don't think he has such a clear path to predict impeachment.

Again, leave office does not have to equal impeachment. (I think it was more than 9 Qs, but he only said leave office.) *YOU* are thinking impeachment.

Presidents resign.  Some get impeached, some get shot, some die, and there's more possibilities. He could be caught in a compromising position in the oval office with Ivanka for all we know.

Its March 2017. I feel he will not be in office November 2020. You are allowed to disagree and I am sticking with my opinion/future view.

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 9, 2017 21:09:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mar 9, 2017 20:51:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

Its too early to talk about 2020. Its years away, but I don't see Trump as a possible two termer any longer. Personally I am wondering how long I will likely live with President Pence.

Your future sight is likely different.

You are an optimist! Everyone was so sure that W wouldn't do a second term, and Trump had no path to victory. And both of those happened. I really doubt Trump will get impeached, so if he doesn't die, all of those pissed off people that voted for him the first time will vote for him again. I am telling you - short of a miracle, two terms.

Anything is possible..eight years of blatent lies...so many trips to Florida at $3 million extra expense each...eight years of his Tweets....eight years of a country so split....eight years of low income older folks with no medical coverage...except emergency room...eight ye.....................

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 9, 2017 21:39:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 9, 2017 21:34:02 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Well of course not "everyone" as in all 7 billion people on the planet.

Who was 'the guy' that predicted his win and says Trump won't finish his term? The only disinterested party I saw that predicted his win was the guy with 9 questions and I don't think he has such a clear path to predict impeachment.

Again, leave office does not have to equal impeachment. (I think it was more than 9 Qs, but he only said leave office.) *YOU* are thinking impeachment.

Presidents resign.  Some get impeached, some get shot, some die, and there's more possibilities. He could be caught in a compromising position in the oval office with Ivanka for all we know.

Its March 2017. I feel he will not be in office November 2020. You are allowed to disagree and I am sticking with my opinion/future view.

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[Value Buy]

Mar 9, 2017 20:25:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 19:45:10 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The Russians clearly wanted Trump to win. That is known. WikiLeaks released info to help Trump and hurt Clinton. That is known.

Whether or not anybody from the Trump campaign talked to the Russians about the campaign is NOT known, but they did talk to the Russians. 

WikiLeaks released the info to hurt Ms. Clinton, not necessarily to help Pres. Trump. According to the pollsters it didn't work.

And yes I suppose there are the few not-too-distant associates of Pres. Trump's campaign who either spoke in Russia or met with Russian officials as part of their routine duties. Correct me if there's more than this.

I'm just not seeing the "crazy chasm" being between this and the allegations of sabotage by the deep state.

"According to the pollsters it didn't work."
According to the left wing media pollsters it did not work.
Until it did.
Then it was Russian interference influencing the election results

[thyme4change]

Optimist - I hope you are right. And I could very well be wrong. If he does just quit, that would be unusual. The only Pres to quit was the one who knew he was going to be impeached and kicked out of office. I looked up the guy Allen Lictman, and you are right it is 13 questions.

I'm still pulling for a heart attack, which makes me feel like a shitty person.

[swamp]

Mar 9, 2017 20:30:22 GMT -5 Shooby said:

After u scream Hitler Hitler Hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

WTF are you babbling about?  

[countrygirl2]

We can only hope trump is a one time president and someone will get back to leading the

country again and not try to destroy it.  Not good times right now.

[Opti]

Mar 9, 2017 20:30:22 GMT -5 Shooby said:

After u scream Hitler Hitler Hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

I guess you'll tell us in your next post?

I find it fascinating that daily you try to create your own hell, or at least horrible world. I'm so grateful I try to create a better world each day.

[Opti]

Mar 9, 2017 21:52:28 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 9, 2017 21:39:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

Again, leave office does not have to equal impeachment. (I think it was more than 9 Qs, but he only said leave office.) *YOU* are thinking impeachment.

Presidents resign.  Some get impeached, some get shot, some die, and there's more possibilities. He could be caught in a compromising position in the oval office with Ivanka for all we know.

Its March 2017. I feel he will not be in office November 2020. You are allowed to disagree and I am sticking with my opinion/future view.

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Want to vote for me for POTUS in 2024?

I think I might need the income, and by then I would be hardened enough to do a good job.

[Opti]

Mar 9, 2017 22:41:24 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 9, 2017 20:30:22 GMT -5 Shooby said:

After u scream Hitler Hitler Hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

WTF are you babbling about?  

This is one of the few times I would advocate not asking! And I used to read books about mental illness just for fun two decades ago. There are some rabbit holes, I've decided are best left unexplored.

YMMV.

Not all rabbit holes are of equal size

nor do they necessarily contain rabbits.

Beware of killer rabbits.

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 9, 2017 22:54:17 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 9, 2017 21:52:28 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

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Want to vote for me for POTUS in 2024?

I think I might need the income, and by then I would be hardened enough to do a good job.

And you have no experience. Seems that's a plus for some....

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 9, 2017 21:16:39 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

WikiLeaks released the info to hurt Ms. Clinton, not necessarily to help Pres. Trump. According to the pollsters it didn't work.

Well, we all know how freakin' accurate the pollsters were during this election cycle!

My gut feeling is you're right. I think it did cost her the election.

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but it's still really hard for me to feel any anger towards Russia for airing the DNC's dirty laundry, assuming it was the Russians who did it. The theory is hotly contested in many circles and plausible alternatives do exist.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 9, 2017 22:52:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 9, 2017 20:30:22 GMT -5 Shooby said:

After u scream Hitler Hitler Hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

I guess you'll tell us in your next post?

I find it fascinating that daily you try to create your own hell, or at least horrible world. I'm so grateful I try to create a better world each day.

She scrapped in an unmoderated forum last week and hasn't fully recovered.

For reference, an unmoderated forum looks something like this:

trumphater13: prez hitler acuse obama of wire tapping! lololol! hitler is going even more insane!
gop4ever: u stupid pud. wake up! obama broke the law. u think that's funny?
trumphater13: i think its funny prez hitler is going more insane than he already is
camelnuts: obama is prez hitler
trumphater13: only morons reading breetbart don't understand trump is hitler and all his bichez are nazis
yourskoot: trump and his nazis r all finale being called out #ImpeachTrump #StopTheFascism
gop4ever: hitler hitler hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

It takes a while for the trauma to wear off. Sometimes it doesn't.

Be gentle.

[Opti]

Mar 9, 2017 23:17:07 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Mar 9, 2017 22:54:17 GMT -5 Opti said:

Want to vote for me for POTUS in 2024?

I think I might need the income, and by then I would be hardened enough to do a good job.

And you have no experience. Seems that's a plus for some....

True. But I've been a board member of my church and the following year board President. So I have run for elected office and succeeded. And it didn't take three tries and massive money either.

I think my life experience would be a much bigger plus than Trump's. I have lived in the top 20% of earners. I have spent way too many years recently navigating SNAP and food pantries. I have taught and encouraged unemployed professionals. (Actually while a smaller number of folks elected me, I also was elected as a co-chair of the PSGCNJ training committee several times... )

I'm not qualified like Obama or Hillary was. Nor do I have the political chops of W or Bill Clinton. But I am always learning and having lived a roller coaster life since my graduation from college, I think I am way more qualified than Trump to lead the country. Plus I will research for and find good people to help steer the good ship USA.

My biggest weakness or strength would be the insistence at looking at where we are as a country and building constructive concensus on where we should go. I would totally lose the alternative facts people. I'm OK with that.

[Opti]

Mar 10, 2017 0:08:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 22:52:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

I guess you'll tell us in your next post?

I find it fascinating that daily you try to create your own hell, or at least horrible world. I'm so grateful I try to create a better world each day.

She scrapped in an unmoderated forum last week and hasn't fully recovered.

For reference, an unmoderated forum looks something like this:

trumphater13: prez hitler acuse obama of wire tapping! lololol! hitler is going even more insane!
gop4ever: u stupid pud. wake up! obama broke the law. u think that's funny?
trumphater13: i think its funny prez hitler is going more insane than he already is
camelnuts: obama is prez hitler
trumphater13: only morons reading breetbart don't understand trump is hitler and all his bichez are nazis
yourskoot: trump and his nazis r all finale being called out #ImpeachTrump #StopTheFascism
gop4ever: hitler hitler hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

It takes a while for the trauma to wear off. Sometimes it doesn't.

Be gentle.

Just letting you know, the above makes me want to post lots and lots of snow leopard pics.

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 9, 2017 22:37:03 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Mar 9, 2017 20:25:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

WikiLeaks released the info to hurt Ms. Clinton, not necessarily to help Pres. Trump. According to the pollsters it didn't work.

And yes I suppose there are the few not-too-distant associates of Pres. Trump's campaign who either spoke in Russia or met with Russian officials as part of their routine duties. Correct me if there's more than this.

I'm just not seeing the "crazy chasm" being between this and the allegations of sabotage by the deep state.

"According to the pollsters it didn't work."
According to the left wing media pollsters it did not work.
Until it did.
Then it was Russian interference influencing the election results

You just don't get it..maybe because u never served, who knows...

but its not important that it did or didn't influence the election..If every bomb the Japanese dropped at Pearl Harbor missed..just fell into the harbor damaging nothing...if ever mg bullet they fired missed all targets...caused no damage...it still would of been a act of war against us..it still would of been "a day in infamy".....our reaction against Japan would have been the same..

This attack on our electorial process is the same..it was a act of war...In todays world with weapons we have today...especially a foe , and the Russians under Putin are our foe, like Russia who have as many nuclear weapons and delivery systems as we...to send the gunboats over to what ever..more prudent measures are needed and our President at the time did so..Spoke directly to Putin, ordered him to desist from the attacks.it's been reported they did..continue the sanctions on the Russians that were on them...throw out the 35 diplomats, close access to two weekend  escape homes...

It was a act of war and to treat it in a cavalier fashion as u do all because of your silly ideas of partison politics...left vs right...like its the most important battle going on in our country...kind of makes one shudder a bit...actually to consider a nice shower wouldn't hurt.

[Deleted]

Mar 9, 2017 19:45:10 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The Russians clearly wanted Trump to win. That is known. WikiLeaks released info to help Trump and hurt Clinton. That is known.

Whether or not anybody from the Trump campaign talked to the Russians about the campaign is NOT known, but they did talk to the Russians. 

Even if that's true (not saying it is, nor am I saying it isn't)... wouldn't that be balanced by all the Middle Eastern and other "less than favorable" locations that gave assistance to Clinton, via The Clinton Foundation? Surely they wanted her to win...

PLUS The Russians didn't affect the vote itself. People voted for who they voted for, and their votes were accurately counted.... without interference or "hacking".

[Deleted]

Mar 9, 2017 21:09:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mar 9, 2017 20:51:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

Its too early to talk about 2020. Its years away, but I don't see Trump as a possible two termer any longer. Personally I am wondering how long I will likely live with President Pence.

Your future sight is likely different.

You are an optimist! Everyone was so sure that W wouldn't do a second term, and Trump had no path to victory. And both of those happened. I really doubt Trump will get impeached, so if he doesn't die, all of those pissed off people that voted for him the first time will vote for him again. I am telling you - short of a miracle, two terms.

You forgot how impossible it was for O to get a second term. Unfortunately when it comes to politics, politicians, and the American voters (as a whole)... NOTHING is impossible.

[Deleted]

Mar 9, 2017 21:49:19 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 9, 2017 21:09:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

You are an optimist! Everyone was so sure that W wouldn't do a second term, and Trump had no path to victory. And both of those happened. I really doubt Trump will get impeached, so if he doesn't die, all of those pissed off people that voted for him the first time will vote for him again. I am telling you - short of a miracle, two terms.

Anything is possible..eight years of blatent lies...so many trips to Florida at $3 million extra expense each...eight years of his Tweets....eight years of a country so split....eight years of low income older folks with no medical coverage...except emergency room...eight ye.....................

Don't you mean "another eight years of a country so split..."?

[Deleted]

Mar 9, 2017 23:45:44 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 21:16:39 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Well, we all know how freakin' accurate the pollsters were during this election cycle!

My gut feeling is you're right. I think it did cost her the election.

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but it's still really hard for me to feel any anger towards Russia for airing the DNC's dirty laundry, assuming it was the Russians who did it. The theory is hotly contested in many circles and plausible alternatives do exist.

Q: Do you know the easiest way to avoid having your "dirty laundry" aired out for the world to see?
A: Don't have any.

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2017 1:28:17 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 9, 2017 23:17:07 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

And you have no experience. Seems that's a plus for some....

True. But I've been a board member of my church and the following year board President. So I have run for elected office and succeeded. And it didn't take three tries and massive money either.

I think my life experience would be a much bigger plus than Trump's. I have lived in the top 20% of earners. I have spent way too many years recently navigating SNAP and food pantries. I have taught and encouraged unemployed professionals. (Actually while a smaller number of folks elected me, I also was elected as a co-chair of the PSGCNJ training committee several times... )

I'm not qualified like Obama or Hillary was. Nor do I have the political chops of W or Bill Clinton. But I am always learning and having lived a roller coaster life since my graduation from college, I think I am way more qualified than Trump to lead the country. Plus I will research for and find good people to help steer the good ship USA.

My biggest weakness or strength would be the insistence at looking at where we are as a country and building constructive concensus on where we should go. I would totally lose the alternative facts people. I'm OK with that.

You say that like it's a BAD thing... When in reality it makes you a better choice than either of them could have been (or was, in Obama's case).

[zibazinski]

Mar 9, 2017 23:45:44 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 21:16:39 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Well, we all know how freakin' accurate the pollsters were during this election cycle!

My gut feeling is you're right. I think it did cost her the election.

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but it's still really hard for me to feel any anger towards Russia for airing the DNC's dirty laundry, assuming it was the Russians who did it. The theory is hotly contested in many circles and plausible alternatives do exist.

It didn't cost her the election. People has made up their minds way before any of this. Because of the absolute hatred of anyone not on the Hillary bandwagon, people kept their mouths shut therefore creating the myth that she was going to win. No one was more shocked than I that she lost but stop blaming the Russians and deal with the reality that she was more hated than Donald. How sad is that?

[Value Buy]

Mar 10, 2017 2:35:34 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 9, 2017 22:37:03 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

"According to the pollsters it didn't work."
According to the left wing media pollsters it did not work.
Until it did.
Then it was Russian interference influencing the election results

You just don't get it..maybe because u never served, who knows...

but its not important that it did or didn't influence the election..If every bomb the Japanese dropped at Pearl Harbor missed..just fell into the harbor damaging nothing...if ever mg bullet they fired missed all targets...caused no damage...it still would of been a act of war against us..it still would of been "a day in infamy".....our reaction against Japan would have been the same..

This attack on our electorial process is the same..it was a act of war...In todays world with weapons we have today...especially a foe , and the Russians under Putin are our foe, like Russia who have as many nuclear weapons and delivery systems as we...to send the gunboats over to what ever..more prudent measures are needed and our President at the time did so..Spoke directly to Putin, ordered him to desist from the attacks.it's been reported they did..continue the sanctions on the Russians that were on them...throw out the 35 diplomats, close access to two weekend  escape homes...

It was a act of war and to treat it in a cavalier fashion as u do all because of your silly ideas of partison politics...left vs right...like its the most important battle going on in our country...kind of makes one shudder a bit...actually to consider a nice shower wouldn't hurt.

You just don't get it..maybe because u never served, who knows...

for like the fourth time, I have told you I served, so drop the slam of being a non-veteran.
Using the "I served card" to make an argument is weak at best, sad at the least, imo. If you are drafted, or enlisted, great, but it is considered more of an honor rather than a get out of jail card to post things that are irrelevant to the argument posters make, imho.  Myself, I am tired of the old "thank you for your service thing especially for things that happened 40 years ago, Save it for the new vets who have the job to get back to a semblance of normalcy, but that is just me.
Here are the details so you will stop saying I never served.
I was drafted after dropping out of end of second year of college
Military policeman.
Company C 716 MP battalion, stationed at MACV compound across street from Tan San Nhut (Saigon) airport. 
Barracked across the street from part of the CIA's private air force, Air America.
Drafted July 1969 mustered out March 1971 after serving 14 months in Vietnam. Had less than 90 days active service so, was released due to 30 day leave coming and military did not want to post someone for less than 60 days, and then release.
I admit our area was relatively safe, I never was shot at, but fell asleep listening to military jets taking off all night and  bombing runs by the B 52's in the jungle outside Saigon every night, while 122 mm rockets went into Saigon almost every night from the Communists. Emotionally, you never knew if an attack would be coming, ala another Tet offensive.
Side note... our company and battalion was part of the group that reclaimed the fallen American Embassy in the Tet offensive, but that was before my time there.

Now regarding the election, a report was issued this morning as to why Hillary lost the election. Go find it. It did not blame Russian interference.

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 10, 2017 8:46:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Mar 10, 2017 2:35:34 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

You just don't get it..maybe because u never served, who knows...

but its not important that it did or didn't influence the election..If every bomb the Japanese dropped at Pearl Harbor missed..just fell into the harbor damaging nothing...if ever mg bullet they fired missed all targets...caused no damage...it still would of been a act of war against us..it still would of been "a day in infamy".....our reaction against Japan would have been the same..

This attack on our electorial process is the same..it was a act of war...In todays world with weapons we have today...especially a foe , and the Russians under Putin are our foe, like Russia who have as many nuclear weapons and delivery systems as we...to send the gunboats over to what ever..more prudent measures are needed and our President at the time did so..Spoke directly to Putin, ordered him to desist from the attacks.it's been reported they did..continue the sanctions on the Russians that were on them...throw out the 35 diplomats, close access to two weekend  escape homes...

It was a act of war and to treat it in a cavalier fashion as u do all because of your silly ideas of partison politics...left vs right...like its the most important battle going on in our country...kind of makes one shudder a bit...actually to consider a nice shower wouldn't hurt.

You just don't get it..maybe because u never served, who knows...

for like the fourth time, I have told you I served, so drop the slam of being a non-veteran.
Using the "I served card" to make an argument is weak at best, sad at the least, imo. If you are drafted, or enlisted, great, but it is considered more of an honor rather than a get out of jail card to post things that are irrelevant to the argument posters make, imho.  Myself, I am tired of the old "thank you for your service thing especially for things that happened 40 years ago, Save it for the new vets who have the job to get back to a semblance of normalcy, but that is just me.
Here are the details so you will stop saying I never served.
I was drafted after dropping out of end of second year of college
Military policeman.
Company C 716 MP battalion, stationed at MACV compound across street from Tan San Nhut (Saigon) airport. 
Barracked across the street from part of the CIA's private air force, Air America.
Drafted July 1969 mustered out March 1971 after serving 14 months in Vietnam. Had less than 90 days active service so, was released due to 30 day leave coming and military did not want to post someone for less than 60 days, and then release.
I admit our area was relatively safe, I never was shot at, but fell asleep listening to military jets taking off all night and  bombing runs by the B 52's in the jungle outside Saigon every night, while 122 mm rockets went into Saigon almost every night from the Communists. Emotionally, you never knew if an attack would be coming, ala another Tet offensive.
Side note... our company and battalion was part of the group that reclaimed the fallen American Embassy in the Tet offensive, but that was before my time there.

Now regarding the election, a report was issued this morning as to why Hillary lost the election. Go find it. It did not blame Russian interference.

I really don't remember some things so first....thank you for your service....it is appreciated...and yes it was a long time ago but a honored service..

now regarding the topic..there u missed what I was saying....that "why Hillery lost the election is unimportant."..her problem...Point is the Russians committed a act of war against us..explained above...that it didn't affect our election , if it didn't is not the point...That you don't understand  that and are not upset about that..if just because of partison politics ....and if our Donald  and / or his people knew about that and were in contact with the Russians with any knowlege of their interference in the election and any welcome for the help...that for me is treasoness...u don't feel that way and because your man won this thing u are ok with their , Russians, participation...interference and feel no biggie...thats your thing.....

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 10, 2017 0:08:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 22:52:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

I guess you'll tell us in your next post?

I find it fascinating that daily you try to create your own hell, or at least horrible world. I'm so grateful I try to create a better world each day.

She scrapped in an unmoderated forum last week and hasn't fully recovered.

For reference, an unmoderated forum looks something like this:

trumphater13: prez hitler acuse obama of wire tapping! lololol! hitler is going even more insane!
gop4ever: u stupid pud. wake up! obama broke the law. u think that's funny?
trumphater13: i think its funny prez hitler is going more insane than he already is
camelnuts: obama is prez hitler
trumphater13: only morons reading breetbart don't understand trump is hitler and all his bichez are nazis
yourskoot: trump and his nazis r all finale being called out #ImpeachTrump #StopTheFascism
gop4ever: hitler hitler hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

It takes a while for the trauma to wear off. Sometimes it doesn't.

Be gentle.

I am still shaking....where is mmhmm and others when I want them...got big hugs waiting for u.....

[with out mentioning nics....is trumphater13 who I think it is?]

[Value Buy]

Don'tcha have a safe room you can go to to relax?

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 10, 2017 12:04:33 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Don'tcha have a safe room you can go to to relax?

?

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 10, 2017 10:57:19 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 10, 2017 0:08:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

She scrapped in an unmoderated forum last week and hasn't fully recovered.

For reference, an unmoderated forum looks something like this:

trumphater13: prez hitler acuse obama of wire tapping! lololol! hitler is going even more insane!
gop4ever: u stupid pud. wake up! obama broke the law. u think that's funny?
trumphater13: i think its funny prez hitler is going more insane than he already is
camelnuts: obama is prez hitler
trumphater13: only morons reading breetbart don't understand trump is hitler and all his bichez are nazis
yourskoot: trump and his nazis r all finale being called out #ImpeachTrump #StopTheFascism
gop4ever: hitler hitler hitler, what's left?? Lol!!

It takes a while for the trauma to wear off. Sometimes it doesn't.

Be gentle.

I am still shaking....where is mmhmm and others when I want them...got big hugs waiting for u.....

[with out mentioning nics....is trumphater13 who I think it is?]

trumphater13 is a fictional composite of the roughly 40 million Americans who fall into all of the categories: hates Pres. Trump, loves to post on online forums, writes/thinks at the level of a 3rd grader.

The problem is that this kind of environment leeches into people who are actually capable of perspicacious criticism. It can happen to any of us. Unmoderated political forums are like a tar that sticks on your mind for a while even after you've cleared the swamp. You can inadvertently track it into civilized discourse.