Do You Beat Your Wife?

[kadee79]

An Oklahoma lawmaker who once likened Islam to cancer required Muslims to answer several written questions — including, "Do you beat your wife?" — before agreeing to meet with them.

Republican state Rep. John Bennett's office distributed the questionnaire on Thursday as the Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations organized its annual Muslim Day at the Capitol. The lawmaker's office gave the list of questions to three Islamic school students who came to his office and asked to speak with him.

"(The prophet) Mohammed was a killer of pagans, Christians and Jews that did not agree with him," read one of 18 questions on the form. "Do you agree with his example?"

The questions asked Muslims whether they would denounce terror groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah and whether they believed former Muslims should be punished for leaving Islam. One question asked Muslims if they agreed that Islamic law, known as Sharia, should rule over non-Muslims.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oklahoma-lawmaker-asks-muslims-do-you-beat-your-wife/ar-AAnNneC?li=BBnbfcL

[Virgil Showlion]

It doesn't say how the students responded.

Does that matter in anyone's opinion?

[Tennesseer]

Does this law maker ask the same question of every man (and woman too) who wants to visit his office because we have a country full of spouse and partner beaters from a mixed bag of religions and no religion.

[swamp]

What's the correct answer?

[NancysSummerSip]

Mar 5, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

What's the correct answer?

I believe the correct answer is that John Bennett is an insensitive butthead who sullies the very notion of being a state representative. He represents nothing except for his own racist ideology, and clearly fails to realize that inflicting harm to one's spouse or partner is not the sole prerogative of any one group.

[toshmanta]

Mar 5, 2017 18:46:14 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It doesn't say how the students responded.

Does that matter in anyone's opinion?

The question is not whether one beats a wife, the question is does your religion/culture/laws encourage or enable wife beating, unfortunately Islam is not the best advert for women's equality, mind you it was written some 1400 years ago.


Quran (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." 



Quran (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." 

[toshmanta]

Mar 5, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

What's the correct answer?

Only if it is consensual, mow please put the whip away.

[Tennesseer]

One of our posters who claims to be a devout fundamentalist Christian wrote the below several years ago on a thread"

"But in my heart of hearts, I think it's fine to slap a woman now and then-- open handed-- when she deserves it."

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 5, 2017 20:06:27 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

Mar 5, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

What's the correct answer?

I believe the correct answer is that John Bennett is an insensitive butthead who sullies the very notion of being a state representative. He represents nothing except for his own racist ideology, and clearly fails to realize that inflicting harm to one's spouse or partner is not the sole prerogative of any one group.

Seems the ones who one could really find fault with is those Oklahomanians who elected this sorry piece of dung to the legislature...no way he kept these ideas to himself and they just came to him....

One can have whatever thought they want "in their heart.." when they start wearing those thoughts on their sleeves they seem to get into deep doo doo..

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 5, 2017 21:01:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One of our posters who claims to be a devout fundamentalist Christian wrote the below several years ago on a thread"

"But in my heart of hearts, I think it's fine to slap a woman now and then-- open handed-- when she deserves it."

if so then I believe a permanent ban here would have been in order...unless that would entail a law suit....then I would suggest many time outs for whatever till the individual got tired of the whole game and retired to where ever...

[swamp]

Mar 5, 2017 21:01:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One of our posters who claims to be a devout fundamentalist Christian wrote the below several years ago on a thread"

"But in my heart of hearts, I think it's fine to slap a woman now and then-- open handed-- when she deserves it."

I remember that.  I don't doubt that he is abusive. 

[weltschmerz]

Mar 5, 2017 21:18:42 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 5, 2017 21:01:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One of our posters who claims to be a devout fundamentalist Christian wrote the below several years ago on a thread"

"But in my heart of hearts, I think it's fine to slap a woman now and then-- open handed-- when she deserves it."

I remember that.  I don't doubt that he is abusive. 

Me neither, and I remember that as well.

[mroped]

John Bennett believes that violence against women belongs to Muslims only so when you see a woman or a child on the street that looks like has a black and blue mark on the face know that they have a Muslim husband or father!
There is no way a Christian would do that!

[toshmanta]

I think the difference between a wife beating Christian and a wife beating Muslim is significant, i am not aware of many laws or cultures that legitimise and enable a Christian to beat his wife,not saying it does not happen but in Muslim countries it is accepted as the norm.

There is an Islamic reformation of sorts going on but unfortunately it is only in non-Muslim countries,the sharpest edges of Islam are blunted by Western laws,however no such reformation exists in Islamic countries where most Muslims live.

The true test of Islam is not how minority Muslims behave in the West but how they behave when they are in the majority, the evidence is not good and immigrants from Muslim countries will bring their unreformed attitudes with them.

In the West 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are influenced by our egalitarian culture which encourages reformation,however there are a billion Muslims who do not agree with equal rights for woman.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 6, 2017 8:40:14 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

I think the difference between a wife beating Christian and a wife beating Muslim is significant, i am not aware of many laws or cultures that legitimise and enable a Christian to beat his wife,not saying it does not happen but in Muslim countries it is accepted as the norm.

There is an Islamic reformation of sorts going on but unfortunately it is only in non-Muslim countries,the sharpest edges of Islam are blunted by Western laws,however no such reformation exists in Islamic countries where most Muslims live.

The true test of Islam is not how minority Muslims behave in the West but how they behave when they are in the majority, the evidence is not good and immigrants from Muslim countries will bring their unreformed attitudes with them.

In the West 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are influenced by our egalitarian culture which encourages reformation,however there are a billion Muslims who do not agree with equal rights for woman.

Spousal abuse is less of a religious issue and more of a cultural issue, be it geographical or familial culture. Spousal abuse knows no religion though abusers may fall back on it to justify their behavior.

[mroped]

As a teenager I was somewhat a troublemaker. Many a mornings someone would stop by our house and tell me that I should go to the Police Station. That's how was done, they didn't care to chase you, there was nowhere to run!
One morning I went to the police station and there was this poor woman that had black and blue marks all over her face, could hardly breathe and walk. She was apparently lodging in a complaint on her abusive husband.
While I'm waiting there for my turn, there is the husband showing up and the chief asks the guy "what happened here?" The guy answers "she pissed me off so I gave her a good smacking!" At this, the chief replies:" if it were a good beat, she wouldn't have made it here in my office telling on you! Now get out of my station and take her with you!"
And that was the end of it! No fines, no jail time, not even a threat from the side of the law!
It was a culturally accepted form of establishing the hierarchy! Man HAD to have the upper hand
And this was in a society who's religion is in majority Christian Orthodox! Very rigid, very traditional.

[toshmanta]

Mar 6, 2017 8:54:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 6, 2017 8:40:14 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

I think the difference between a wife beating Christian and a wife beating Muslim is significant, i am not aware of many laws or cultures that legitimise and enable a Christian to beat his wife,not saying it does not happen but in Muslim countries it is accepted as the norm.

There is an Islamic reformation of sorts going on but unfortunately it is only in non-Muslim countries,the sharpest edges of Islam are blunted by Western laws,however no such reformation exists in Islamic countries where most Muslims live.

The true test of Islam is not how minority Muslims behave in the West but how they behave when they are in the majority, the evidence is not good and immigrants from Muslim countries will bring their unreformed attitudes with them.

In the West 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are influenced by our egalitarian culture which encourages reformation,however there are a billion Muslims who do not agree with equal rights for woman.

Spousal abuse is less of a religious issue and more of a cultural issue, be it geographical or familial culture. Spousal abuse knows no religion though abusers may fall back on it to justify their behavior.

Their culture justifies their behaviour because of its religious approval, and to be honest the Muslim culture is based on Islamic Law(Sharia), there is no real separation.
Misogyny may be ubiquitous but to deny Muslim misogyny is upheld by Islamic juris prudence is ignoring history. 

In plain English Islam is a bad idea and unfortunately only Western Laws can reform it.

[buystoys]

I initially hoped that this person got into office because there were no other contenders on the ballot. Unfortunately, there were, so that is not the answer. Now I am hopeful that his constituents find a way to get him out of office.

[Virgil Showlion]

I hate to do this (apologies to kadee79) but 80% of the content of this thread is clearly religious in nature, scripture is being quoted, and rather than tearing it to shreds I'm going to move it to the Religious Discussion board, leaving a placeholder.

   - Virgil (Mod)

[toshmanta]

Saudi gang rape victim punished with 200 lashes and six months jail
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Saudi shame: A 19-year-old woman who was the victim of a violent gang rape in Saudi Arabia has been sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail after being found guilty of being “indecent” at the time of the attack because she was not accompanied by a male guardian.



The government defended the outrageous court decision, saying that the victim was at fault, and noting that Saudi courts abide by Sharia law which dictates that a woman cannot be in public without a male guardian.

www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/03/saudi-gang-rape-victim-punished-with-200-lashes-and-six-months-jail/



The key words are " Government "  and " abide by Sharia Law ".


When a religion becomes a political philosophy it should be judged on its politics.

[Deleted]

Mar 5, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

What's the correct answer?

There is no correct answer as sometimes she wants it.

[mollyanna58]

Mar 8, 2017 17:18:36 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 5, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

What's the correct answer?

There is no correct answer as sometimes she wants it.

If you are trying to be funny, you failed.

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2017 18:58:11 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Mar 8, 2017 17:18:36 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

There is no correct answer as sometimes she wants it.

If you are trying to be funny, you failed.

No I didn't.  It's usually in the evening.  She takes most her clothes off, then lays face down across my lap....  Edit; The "she" as referenced is my DW.    I paddle gentle, as it's for fun.  It's been a few years since any of this type of activity has occurred however.  

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Damn Son, I know what you mean; but if I were to ever post something like that about the Mrs she'd beat me!

Tosh my friend, if you are concerned about Sharia, perhaps look at the link between Democrats and Islamic groups. The current "antiIslamiphobia" bills being introduced in Canada, and the other types of obvious Islamic blasphemy laws that are in place across Europe already.

Also, please check out some of the stuff Louis Farrakhan has said; most recently at the Joe Louis arena... there is also this scientist named Yakub.. 

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2017 1:29:17 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Damn Son, I know what you mean; but if I were to ever post something like that about the Mrs she'd beat me!

Tosh my friend, if you are concerned about Sharia, perhaps look at the link between Democrats and Islamic groups. The current "antiIslamiphobia" bills being introduced in Canada, and the other types of obvious Islamic blasphemy laws that are in place across Europe already.

Also, please check out some of the stuff Louis Farrakhan has said; most recently at the Joe Louis arena... there is also this scientist named Yakub.. 

That's why I never show her those posts.   Been there.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sounds like we need to start a support group.

[toshmanta]

Mar 10, 2017 1:29:17 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Damn Son, I know what you mean; but if I were to ever post something like that about the Mrs she'd beat me!

Tosh my friend, if you are concerned about Sharia, perhaps look at the link between Democrats and Islamic groups. The current "antiIslamiphobia" bills being introduced in Canada, and the other types of obvious Islamic blasphemy laws that are in place across Europe already.

Also, please check out some of the stuff Louis Farrakhan has said; most recently at the Joe Louis arena... there is also this scientist named Yakub.. 

I am a liberal but not all liberals think the same,i judge a philosophy on its merits,Islam is ok if you ignore half of its contents however in all Muslim majority countries the bad bits are practised,basically it is an outdated philosophy under the protection of a religion.

[gambler]

I beat my wife every change I get, I beat her at cooking, I beat her at cleaning, I beat her at driving. she beats at sex.   some ones husband for beating her. that is unacceptable in any way. he was (still is) of some easterner religion I do Not care which one physical a spank on the butt  or a boob grope is as far as it goes

[Deleted]

Mar 13, 2017 8:57:58 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Mar 10, 2017 1:29:17 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Damn Son, I know what you mean; but if I were to ever post something like that about the Mrs she'd beat me!

Tosh my friend, if you are concerned about Sharia, perhaps look at the link between Democrats and Islamic groups. The current "antiIslamiphobia" bills being introduced in Canada, and the other types of obvious Islamic blasphemy laws that are in place across Europe already.

Also, please check out some of the stuff Louis Farrakhan has said; most recently at the Joe Louis arena... there is also this scientist named Yakub.. 

I am a liberal but not all liberals think the same,i judge a philosophy on its merits,Islam is ok if you ignore half of its contents however in all Muslim majority countries the bad bits are practised,basically it is an outdated philosophy under the protection of a religion.

What makes it an "outdated philosophy".

[weltschmerz]

Mar 6, 2017 8:40:14 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

I think the difference between a wife beating Christian and a wife beating Muslim is significant, i am not aware of many laws or cultures that legitimise and enable a Christian to beat his wife,not saying it does not happen but in Muslim countries it is accepted as the norm.

There is an Islamic reformation of sorts going on but unfortunately it is only in non-Muslim countries,the sharpest edges of Islam are blunted by Western laws,however no such reformation exists in Islamic countries where most Muslims live.

The true test of Islam is not how minority Muslims behave in the West but how they behave when they are in the majority, the evidence is not good and immigrants from Muslim countries will bring their unreformed attitudes with them.

In the West 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are influenced by our egalitarian culture which encourages reformation,however there are a billion Muslims who do not agree with equal rights for woman.

Russia allows the beating of wives, and it's very Christian.

'LIVES ARE AT RISK' Russia makes domestic violence LEGAL with thugs given permission to beat their wives and children so long as they don’t break any bones

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2814169/russia-domestic-violence-legal/