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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2017 9:06:52 GMT -5
Hi All,
This is my second time teaching this course. There is a large project component to this class. For this time around, I tried to break up the assignment into smaller and more specific chunks throughout the semester. Previous version was in a few chunks, and highly variable as to focus area and manner of execution.
So - I left the variability to focus area - these are for the most part professionally employed masters-level students and the variability is meant to allow them to tailor it to their professional roles - or roles they aspire to. But I made very specific guidelines on the manner of execution. Last time I felt that students who took a chance on more complex modes did not get comparable grades to those 'playing it safe' - but I had to score based on the grading rubrics they were provided with to guide their assignments.
Now - everyone is doing some simpler forms, some medium forms, and some complex forms.
Part of this was an optional part of one focus area's assignment was expanded a little and made an independent assignment everyone needed to do. This was my most "inventing" part of it. The other assignments - I repackaged what was given as "choose out of these 8 methods 3 to develop", and just made everyone do smaller amounts of all 8 methods.
I'm grading my 'inventive' one now. I thought it was a pretty easy addition, and so far about 1/4 of them are getting full points. A few really missed it! I take that so personally, sure I have failed them in some way!
I referred them specifically to a chapter in one of the textbooks, and said do this assignment according to the guidelines for x way to do it. some of them I'm wondering - did you purchase the book? what is this weird thing you've invented here? The assignment instructions said use x way, chapter y, smith and wesson textbook.
I try to take comfort from those who did it perfectly, but worry that those who did well may have previous experience that the others' lacked. The information isn't in the online lectures, but is plainly spelled out in the book - required, and a chapter required for reading.
Should I have updated the online lectures to emphasize this? I try to be an easy grader, but I feel that i am fairly harsh when applying scoring rubrics.
Experienced teachers - are some always going to do poorly? Since these are masters students, I really expect professional level work, that does not need spoon feeding (read the book and figure it out). Some did do that. Others, not so much....
Am I ok?
Every time I get poorly done assignments, I feel guilty! Last time, I offered everyone a redo of 1 of the assignments midway through the course and gave them 1/2 the additional points they earned. That was a lot of extra work. I have the urge to do it again, and am trying not to!
Thoughts?
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Post by Pants on Feb 26, 2017 9:12:59 GMT -5
Hi All, This is my second time teaching this course. There is a large project component to this class. For this time around, I tried to break up the assignment into smaller and more specific chunks throughout the semester. Previous version was in a few chunks, and highly variable as to focus area and manner of execution. So - I left the variability to focus area - these are for the most part professionally employed masters-level students and the variability is meant to allow them to tailor it to their professional roles - or roles they aspire to. But I made very specific guidelines on the manner of execution. Last time I felt that students who took a chance on more complex modes did not get comparable grades to those 'playing it safe' - but I had to score based on the grading rubrics they were provided with to guide their assignments. Now - everyone is doing some simpler forms, some medium forms, and some complex forms. Part of this was an optional part of one focus area's assignment was expanded a little and made an independent assignment everyone needed to do. This was my most "inventing" part of it. The other assignments - I repackaged what was given as "choose out of these 8 methods 3 to develop", and just made everyone do smaller amounts of all 8 methods. I'm grading my 'inventive' one now. I thought it was a pretty easy addition, and so far about 1/4 of them are getting full points. A few really missed it! I take that so personally, sure I have failed them in some way! I referred them specifically to a chapter in one of the textbooks, and said do this assignment according to the guidelines for x way to do it. some of them I'm wondering - did you purchase the book? what is this weird thing you've invented here? The assignment instructions said use x way, chapter y, smith and wesson textbook. I try to take comfort from those who did it perfectly, but worry that those who did well may have previous experience that the others' lacked. The information isn't in the online lectures, but is plainly spelled out in the book - required, and a chapter required for reading. Should I have updated the online lectures to emphasize this? I try to be an easy grader, but I feel that i am fairly harsh when applying scoring rubrics. Experienced teachers - are some always going to do poorly? Since these are masters students, I really expect professional level work, that does not need spoon feeding (read the book and figure it out). Some did do that. Others, not so much.... Am I ok? Every time I get poorly done assignments, I feel guilty! Last time, I offered everyone a redo of 1 of the assignments midway through the course and gave them 1/2 the additional points they earned. That was a lot of extra work. I have the urge to do it again, and am trying not to! Thoughts? Rukh- not a teacher, but I think there's an argument to be made for the good old "see me" on those that are completely off the mark. Talk to them and see what it was they missed - did they find the instructions unclear? Are they blind and don't have a braille copy of the text? I think those meetings may tell you something. If there's a common thread there, that may make a stronger case for redo.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 26, 2017 9:20:08 GMT -5
Clarity is key. Instructions need to be very clear about what exactly you, as the professor, are looking for. DD had to write a "statement thesis" type paper recently. I made her look up the word "thesis". She need to define the terms and other terms in regards to the instructions so she knew exactly what type of paper to write. From your post, you talk in a lot of "education"/professional language. That is great and it sounds like your really know your stuff. But, your students are not immersed in this kind of language specifically, unless they are also educators. So, i think that clarity of instructions is key. Now of course there are also who going to do poorly no matter what what you do as well.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Feb 26, 2017 9:36:25 GMT -5
I think some are always going to do poorly. Just because they are masters level peeps don't mean they are great or even motivated. And some might even have legitimate distractions (8 kids, sick parents to care for, etc. ) so "mediocre" may be the best they can do regardless of how great a teacher you are don't take it personally.
I recently taught a course for 15 months for junior officers in my military career field. They got to do anonymous surveys on me and I always scored very high. Meaning they thought I was a good teacher. I still had "dud" student
One time I had 25% of a class fail a test. Ouch that hurt. But there are factors other than the teacher to consider.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 10:17:25 GMT -5
I am a teacher but not at your level. That said, the first time you assign a project is a learning curve for both you and the students. You sound as if you understand that, but then you substantially changed the project. So it is again as if it is brand new. One thing that you will learn is that no matter how clearly you think you expressed yourself, someone will misunderstand. I'll give you an example from a recent project of mine--an annotated bibliography. The directions for the final draft say: "Put in alphabetical order according to first word of citation. That can be author or title." I went over and over how to do citations. Some have authors, and some do not. You list by whatever the first word is. I had more than one student tell me as they did the final submission that they "chose" to alphabetize by titles. Huh? That wasn't a choice you get to make. But if you look at my directions, you can see just enough ambiguity to lead someone who hasn't been listening astray." You were no doubt much clearer than I was, but next semester you will have samples of do's and don'ts. We are looking at some don'ts tomorrow as we move toward writing poetry explications. I got my examples from students (not mine) internet blogs. On the subject of the required text, has it been clear that it is required all semester? By that, have you discussed the readings, given quizzes or exams, required responses in the form of blogs, etc.? If it really wasn't integral to your course until this project came up, be less surprised that several students chose not to buy it. By the way, I wouldn't have them redo stuff to get points back. That is what we do in high school.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2017 11:39:41 GMT -5
thanks all! Good points. Susana, Yes - I think we can always make it clearer. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) Meanwhile - I'm taking a course where the instructions for a 10 page research proposal is one vague paragraph. I emailed it, quoted to the instructor, asking - have I missed anything? is this the only instruction for the paper? apparently - that is it. no mention of grading criteria. I had more details for a 2-3 page assignment. A few of the students pulled off full points in one page. The book is required, and the chapter is required reading the week prior to the due date. I cited method name and book chapter in the assignment instructions. Also provided is the scoring rubric so they can use it to "grade themselves" prior to turning in the assignment. I will continue to resist offering a redo, but if asked to teach again next year, will try to make clearer. particularly the scoring for the method used drawn from the chapter explanation of the method.
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Post by Pants on Feb 26, 2017 12:27:08 GMT -5
thanks all! Good points. Susana, Yes - I think we can always make it clearer. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) Meanwhile - I'm taking a course where the instructions for a 10 page research proposal is one vague paragraph. I emailed it, quoted to the instructor, asking - have I missed anything? is this the only instruction for the paper? apparently - that is it. no mention of grading criteria. I had more details for a 2-3 page assignment. A few of the students pulled off full points in one page. The book is required, and the chapter is required reading the week prior to the due date. I cited method name and book chapter in the assignment instructions. Also provided is the scoring rubric so they can use it to "grade themselves" prior to turning in the assignment. I will continue to resist offering a redo, but if asked to teach again next year, will try to make clearer. particularly the scoring for the method used drawn from the chapter explanation of the method. One more thing is since it wasn't discussed in class, there may be some who just don't get it. There are different learning styles, and sometimes when things are already hard for someone it may take more than one type of explaining. That's doesn't excuse them for not seeking you out to have them explain, but it might be a thing for some.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 26, 2017 12:30:48 GMT -5
Dumb question.....but what is the cost of the book?
It may be required, but out of the price range for some. I had one book that was 'required' and the book was $350! Luckily, my boss covered it for me, but that was not the norm and many would not.
I saw saw this problem even more when I was taking drafting classes. I had one book that was $179, but it was used for about 5 of my classes and a great reference manual. But many of my classmates simply could not afford it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 12:38:33 GMT -5
Dumb question.....but what is the cost of the book? It may be required, but out of the price range for some. I had one book that was 'required' and the book was $350! Luckily, my boss covered it for me, but that was not the norm and many would not. I saw saw this problem even more when I was taking drafting classes. I had one book that was $179, but it was used for about 5 of my classes and a great reference manual. But many of my classmates simply could not afford it. Yes. That is also why I asked how often she used it. A lot of students just won't pay $100+ for a book that isn't used repeatedly. They think they will borrow a friend's, find it in the library, whatever. That doesn't always work out well. You can blame the students, but I also blame the teachers. Some teachers list several books as "required" that really aren't used. Students have learned to wait and see. Meanwhile, the financial aid has dissipated.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 26, 2017 12:43:00 GMT -5
Both my nephew and his wife are college professors. That means they teach students at both the bachelors' and graduate level.
My niece had a student come in and ask if she could pass him even though he was flunking the course and didn't come to class and didn't turn in assignments. His reasoning was that he had to work and didn't have time to come to class or do homework. She flunked him, he appealed to the department chair and he lost.
Nephew had somebody use the excuse my parents are big donors. Chair upheld that F also.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 26, 2017 12:44:36 GMT -5
Dumb question.....but what is the cost of the book? It may be required, but out of the price range for some. I had one book that was 'required' and the book was $350! Luckily, my boss covered it for me, but that was not the norm and many would not. I saw saw this problem even more when I was taking drafting classes. I had one book that was $179, but it was used for about 5 of my classes and a great reference manual. But many of my classmates simply could not afford it. Yes. That is also why I asked how often she used it. A lot of students just won't pay $100+ for a book that isn't used repeatedly. They think they will borrow a friend's, find it in the library, whatever. That doesn't always work out well. You can blame the students, but I also blame the teachers. Some teachers list several books as "required" that really aren't used. Students have learned to wait and see. Meanwhile, the financial aid has dissipated. Exactly. I would not be inclined to pay a lot of money OOP if it was used for one chapter. That $350 book that I was required for one of my classes, I had to open it ONCE. I was pretty pissed at that and I didn't even buy the book!
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Post by debthaven on Feb 26, 2017 13:17:05 GMT -5
I'm always amazed that some students just do not read the brief / instructions.
ETA: Yes there are always some students who will do poorly, IMO. Often it's because they did NOT read the brief or they chose to ignore it.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 26, 2017 14:08:10 GMT -5
Hi All, I referred them specifically to a chapter in one of the textbooks, and said do this assignment according to the guidelines for x way to do it. some of them I'm wondering - did you purchase the book? what is this weird thing you've invented here? The assignment instructions said use x way, chapter y, smith and wesson textbook. Experienced teachers - are some always going to do poorly? Since these are masters students, I really expect professional level work, that does not need spoon feeding (read the book and figure it out). Some did do that. Others, not so much....Am I ok? Yes. You are OK. I work with master's students. Many of them don't read/follow directions. (Personally, I don't see how folks get promoted to mid level managers or are considered "rising stars" when they chose not to follow basic directions..and this is in STEM fields.) Instructors grade them accordingly. And as support staff, I've had to direct students to read a specific paragraph on a specific page in a course syllabus for directions, because the student argued that the direction didn't exist. We are judicious with having our students buy books. Out of 10 courses, three don't have text books. We have another two courses that run under $100 for textbooks. Of the remaining courses, most of the ones we use one can obtain by renting through amazon. FWIW, the amount of spoon feeding, I think has gotten worse over the decade or so that I've been at my job. In one class, the instructors always use rubrics to grade assignments. The instructors knew the students were not looking at the rubrics. So, last year, the instructors required the students to turn in a copy of the rubric with their assignments in hopes that students actually look at them and perhaps eve use them.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2017 19:20:19 GMT -5
the book cost is over $100, but is the major text for the course. I don't see paying $3500 for the class and then not getting the books? Not sure what was expected. The course was based mostly on this book, and we read the entire thing, with readings from it almost every week. I have taken courses where a book is required, but the lecture summarize the book in as much detail as you need, so some may have thought that would be the case and decided to not buy the book?
I did have a student last year ask me to make pdfs available of all the book chapters because she couldn't afford the books. I had to decline. I did feel for her, but not sure what was really expected there.
No one approached me about difficulties this time.
75% of the class did well on it, so I'm not going to hold myself at fault.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 26, 2017 20:32:33 GMT -5
How do you know that THEY are paying $3500 for the course? And over $100 for a text, but very likely your text isn't the only one.
I'm kind of harping on this, because I saw the difficulties some of my classmates had trying to get info for a $179 text I had for drafting. I must have leant it out to 6 people in the course f 2 years, and that does not include xeroxing drawings they needed to work from. The teachers were VERY aware to try to keep book costs down, and they did. In 2 years, my total book costs were under $500.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 26, 2017 20:40:20 GMT -5
the book cost is over $100, but is the major text for the course. I don't see paying $3500 for the class and then not getting the books? Not sure what was expected. The course was based mostly on this book, and we read the entire thing, with readings from it almost every week. I have taken courses where a book is required, but the lecture summarize the book in as much detail as you need, so some may have thought that would be the case and decided to not buy the book? I did have a student last year ask me to make pdfs available of all the book chapters because she couldn't afford the books. I had to decline. I did feel for her, but not sure what was really expected there. No one approached me about difficulties this time. 75% of the class did well on it, so I'm not going to hold myself at fault. Do you teach at a bricks and mortar school? Or online? If it's bricks and mortar, does your library system at the school have a course reserves policy? Our does/did. Professors could place books on the course reserves list for the semester. Students can check out the books for like 2 hours at a time, and the books don't ever leave the building.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2017 21:07:32 GMT -5
How do you know that THEY are paying $3500 for the course? And over $100 for a text, but very likely your text isn't the only one. I'm kind of harping on this, because I saw the difficulties some of my classmates had trying to get info for a $179 text I had for drafting. I must have leant it out to 6 people in the course f 2 years, and that does not include xeroxing drawings they needed to work from. The teachers were VERY aware to try to keep book costs down, and they did. In 2 years, my total book costs were under $500. Well, it was listed as a required text, and we're 7 weeks into the semester. I think they needed to figure something out. And long before this class....whatever their plan or funding may have been...if they're planning on doing this program. And again,no one even mentioned a difficulty. Amazon rents the book for $30ish for the semester if anyone wanted that route.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2017 21:09:13 GMT -5
the book cost is over $100, but is the major text for the course. I don't see paying $3500 for the class and then not getting the books? Not sure what was expected. The course was based mostly on this book, and we read the entire thing, with readings from it almost every week. I have taken courses where a book is required, but the lecture summarize the book in as much detail as you need, so some may have thought that would be the case and decided to not buy the book? I did have a student last year ask me to make pdfs available of all the book chapters because she couldn't afford the books. I had to decline. I did feel for her, but not sure what was really expected there. No one approached me about difficulties this time. 75% of the class did well on it, so I'm not going to hold myself at fault. Do you teach at a bricks and mortar school? Or online? If it's bricks and mortar, does your library system at the school have a course reserves policy? Our does/did. Professors could place books on the course reserves list for the semester. Students can check out the books for like 2 hours at a time, and the books don't ever leave the building. The library does have it but it is online corse and many not in the city.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 26, 2017 21:57:58 GMT -5
Are your students not using the scoring rubrics you have? Are they ignoring them like what we experienced?
Is all of your learning asynchronous or do you have web conferences?
ETA: Is there an electronic version of the textbook? Sometimes if we can get textbooks through Safari online, libraries will purchase a book and make it available electronically.
Although, the Amazon rental is really cheap.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2017 22:35:43 GMT -5
I encouraged them to check the rubrics but not all do it seems.
They are on their own to keep up but I might offer a chat time once a week for some extra info/application/ questions.
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Post by debthaven on Feb 26, 2017 23:43:39 GMT -5
They are on their own to keep up but I might offer a chat time once a week for some extra info/application/ questions.
I think this is a great idea. Or even just be available by email to clarify anything, which I think you are.
I'm always astounded at how many students do not follow basic instructions (from first years to Masters).
Since I teach at a brick-and-mortar school, I always read the brief with them in class, with the brief projected on the board. But some students STILL miss crucial elements ... Like you, I figure if the majority got it right, it was clear, and I'm around and available to clarify anything, either in person or by email.
Sometimes it's just laziness ... we have one assignment (we give all first years and second years the same assignments) where we ask for 5 graphs/tables. If you provide only 2 or 3, don't complain that you didn't get top marks.
I have COUNTLESS examples like that ... a Human Resources Report with 1/3 of the info missing (the info was perfectly clear because WE PROVIDED THE OUTLINE). A Sales Presentation with one word per slide ... One student (out of 8) did 6 slides, all filled with text. Etc etc etc.
I encourage them to REREAD the instructions / brief when they think they're done. Obviously, some don't.
I just gave a grammar test which we corrected in class. In that part of the test, they had to insert an adjective. When we were correcting it, one student said Oh crap, I didn't realize we needed to put in adjectives. Doh, it was written right there in black and white! And I TELL THEM DURING THE TEST, REPEATEDLY, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!!
Drives me nuts LOL.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 26, 2017 23:54:50 GMT -5
Wow, I am truly surprised by responses, it's like I entered some kind of Bizzaro YM...
This is very interesting.
I never taught anything, but went to college, went to grand school, had jobs....sometimes instructions are just not that clear. Sometimes you have a chance to clarify it with your teacher or boss or....IRS....sometimes you don't!
It never occurred to me that any of my poorly performed assignments were due to "not clear instructions" or instructor's fault in any way, shape or form.
If I didn't understand something - I asked. If I thought I understood, I did the work and dealt with consequences.
I am going to ask my husband, who, at one point, taught college classes (math) if he ever doubted himself like that.....
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Post by giramomma on Feb 27, 2017 7:44:04 GMT -5
It never occurred to me that any of my poorly performed assignments were due to "not clear instructions" or instructor's fault in any way, shape or form.If I didn't understand something - I asked. If I thought I understood, I did the work and dealt with consequences. I am going to ask my husband, who, at one point, taught college classes (math) if he ever doubted himself like that.....
This surprises me. You home school. Haven't you ever run across some parents that are better at homeschooling than others? Do, you then blame the kids for not understanding everything, or do you stop and question the parents? Are your kids in any activities? Do any sports? Goodness, even with things like swimming lessons, there's a difference between meh and great teachers. And of course kids respond differently. I see it when I teach, too. You know, instructional design is a legit field, because not all people are equipped to know how to teach effectively. Because wicked smart does not equal good teacher. It sounds like Rukh was given the task of designing a course, but no support on how to do it. That's my job, to support instructors so that we have good courses. Rukh, in an online environment, is missing all sorts of physical cues from her students. There's lots of non-verbal communication that happens in a face-to-face course. Rukh is not getting that. I can see why she'd come here and ask us. For new courses in our programs, almost 100% of the time, we give the students surveys about courses in the midpoint. Are the courses meeting the learning objectives? Is the coursework taking an appropriate amount of time? If it's a three credit course, and folks are spending 20-30 hours on it, something's wrong. Do web conferences and discussion forums support the course learning? Online learning is not self-paced working through a course site and turning assignments in as requested. I mean, it can be self paced, but if I was a student paying for that, I'd want something more. It seems like there's no interaction built into the program. I think by having limited/no student-student interaction as well as limited instructor-student interaction, that's a disservice to students. But, then again, having student-student and instructor-student interactions in online courses are best practices.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 27, 2017 8:26:19 GMT -5
It never occurred to me that any of my poorly performed assignments were due to "not clear instructions" or instructor's fault in any way, shape or form.If I didn't understand something - I asked. If I thought I understood, I did the work and dealt with consequences. I am going to ask my husband, who, at one point, taught college classes (math) if he ever doubted himself like that.....
This surprises me. You home school. Haven't you ever run across some parents that are better at homeschooling than others? Do, you then blame the kids for not understanding everything, or do you stop and question the parents? Are your kids in any activities? Do any sports? Goodness, even with things like swimming lessons, there's a difference between meh and great teachers. And of course kids respond differently. I see it when I teach, too. Well, I think there is a big difference between teaching kids and teaching adults or almost adults. If my 8 yr old didn't understand fractions or factors or BC/AD timeline, yes, I will see it as I am not explaining it to him in a matter he can understand and it is my responsibility. If a 20 yr old or 30 yr old doesn't understand an assignment - it is his job to seek out answers. It didn't sound like any of the OP's students came to her for help. She is the one who thinks she wasn't clear enough. Why? Why is SHE feeling guilty? We are not talking about 8 yr old kids here. Also, I have no idea whether other parents are better at homeschooling. Even if I wanted to know, how would I know? And yes, my kids are in activities and yes, some teachers are much better than others. But again, there is a difference between not-so-good swimming or violin teacher and a teacher who is teaching a grad level course due to the difference in the audience. Oh and I did ask my husband last night and he didn't even blink an eye to say "no, he never felt guilty or responsible if anyone failed his assignments". As a matter of fact, he thought it was a very strange question. And he is not an arrogant guy and he very much enjoyed teaching and tutoring bc he loved getting people to understand and appreciate math. May be I am too brainwashed by the book that I read, but I've been noticing a lot lately how women don't feel confident in themselves at all, even if there is no reason for it.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 27, 2017 9:25:42 GMT -5
A Sales Presentation with one word per slide ... lol, but - maybe artistic license? perhaps a minimalist philosophizer? Was it the right word?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 27, 2017 9:31:15 GMT -5
I encouraged them to check the rubrics but not all do it seems. They are on their own to keep up but I might offer a chat time once a week for some extra info/application/ questions. Something my online immunology professor does that you might want to consider is a discussion board. It's open to everyone in the class at all times. So not only can we post questions to the teacher but everyone can talk to one another. You can post a question and not have to worry about waiting for the professor to answer, your classmates can help you out. My class has people from all over Nebraska and in other states/time zones as well. This makes it so the professor doesn't have to keep track of all that. Professor checks the discussion board once a week before our Friday quizzes. This would encourage your students to collaborate rather than sit back waiting for you to spoon feed them. You could start a discussion with a post about the project, the rubric and then an invitation to post any questions they may have there with the schedule you plan to check the board on.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 27, 2017 9:46:54 GMT -5
I check the discussion board and school email daily.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 27, 2017 9:50:29 GMT -5
I check the discussion board and school email daily. Well then it's not you. It sounds like you are doing everything you are supposed to do for a remote class. Maybe these students aren't cut out for internet classes. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) DH struggles with online learning. He's not self motivated enough he really needs the accountability that comes with regular attendence of a brick/mortar class.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 27, 2017 9:57:01 GMT -5
I check the discussion board and school email daily. Well then it's not you. It sounds like you are doing everything you are supposed to do for a remote class. Maybe these students aren't cut out for internet classes. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) DH struggles with online learning. He's not self motivated enough he really needs the accountability that comes with regular attendence of a brick/mortar class. I'm finding that I am the same way. I successfully took an online class while working full time and 8 months pregnant, but I can't seem to handle an online class now while working part time. Go figure.
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Post by debthaven on Feb 27, 2017 13:18:08 GMT -5
Sorry Rukh I was in a rush this morning, and not clear.
They were told to use only one word per slide. 7/8 students did. One girl did a normal PPT filled with text (which was not what I asked for) and was upset that she got a bad mark.
We also ALWAYS give verbal AND written instructions, for anything.
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