AZ Voters Approved $15 Miminum Wage And PTO!

[OldCoyote]

Well, the first part started the first of the year, with a $10, min. wage.

Prices are going up everywhere , fast food, my landscaper, the drycleaner.

but the real shock will set in when the small business start the paid time off thing.

In my case since at this time I have one employee, it will one hour of paid time for every thirty hours worked!

If you have 15 or more employees, it will be 40 hours a year for Paid Time Off!

One man here that owns laundromats, That also just is recovering from bankruptcy said the paid time off will cost him $125,000 a year.

I think that the raise is only montary, that the raising prices will out run the raise,

leaving them with less spendable dollars than before the raise!

[Opti]

So it appears this is a Flagstaff AZ vote not the general state vote which brings minimum wage to $12/hr. by 2020. What's the timeline for Flagstaff's law?

ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Minimum_Wage_and_Paid_Time_Off,_Proposition_206_(2016)

Arizona's minimum wage was $8.05 per hour in 2016. The federal minimum wage was $7.25. Due to Proposition 202 of 2006, the state's minimum wage increased with the cost-of-living. Without Proposition 206, Arizona's minimum wage was expected to increase to $8.15 in 2017.[9] In November 2016, voters in Flagstaff, Arizona, voted on and approved a measure increasing their city's minimum wage to $15 an hour

[cronewitch]

WA state is up to 11 an hour now. Prices are up and employment for low paid people is down. My car wash used to have 3 workers, you paid them, they brushed the car bad spots like bird dropping then got it going into the car wash. Now you pay a machine and they only have one worker to get you into the car wash so they lost jobs for two people and raised the price. It was $5 now $6.
People really need the living wages you can't live here even on $11 rent averages about $1,500 a month, homeless people everywhere.

[Opti]

Feb 14, 2017 8:43:56 GMT -5 @wxyz said:

Your state, Washington is one that is in the process of being flooded by illegal aliens.  Taking jobs.  Your state is one of the most welcoming with its West side of the mountains, progressive politics, for homeless and bums.  Your state is in the forefront of allowing illegals and others to get benefits even when they are not open to non citizens.  Your state is in the forefront of the socialist movement (Seatttle) and sanctuary movement and one percent movement and anarchist movement, etc, etc.

There are lots of paces in Washington state where rent is not $1500 per month.

Economic policies have consequences as do socialistic policies.  You cant have it both ways.  It is proven economics that raising minimum wages is going to kill jobs and opportunity, especially for teens, the poor, etc. 

Much of this minimum wage $15 stuff is simply for the  Illegal Aliens.  Two illegals making $12 to $15 per hour make $35,000 to $50,000 per year in addition to collecting benefits of various types under liberal programs or using assumed names.  We are killing our country on both ends.  On one end the illegals taking jobs and benefits.  On the other end the various H1 type programs bringing in foreign workers to take higher level jobs.  We graduate way more STEM majors than there are jobs to fill.  Over the past 20 years we have layed off tens of thousands of Americans so foreign workers can take their jobs.  You see stories in the news monthly about some workers having to train their foreign replacements.

Dont even get me started on the massive influx of foreign students in our public universities, taking spots that could go to in-state students that are citizens.

This has been true for years. In my experience I've seen it since before 1990, its just accelerated. And its because employers want cheap labor and do not care all that much about American labor. Age discrimination does start around age 40 in the tech fields. I do not know how to change the culture so hiring Americans is considered the patriotic or even simply the right thing to do. Donald J. Trump the businessman has a history of not employing Americans and finding workers from countries he can import Anglo Saxon or at least white European labor.

Many do not care. Its all about the almighty dollar ... for the mgmt. team. Damn those other Americans who are happy to work for a living as long as they get a decent wage for their efforts and sacrifices.

[Opti]

Feb 14, 2017 8:43:56 GMT -5 @wxyz said:

Your state, Washington is one that is in the process of being flooded by illegal aliens.  Taking jobs.  Your state is one of the most welcoming with its West side of the mountains, progressive politics, for homeless and bums.  Your state is in the forefront of allowing illegals and others to get benefits even when they are not open to non citizens.  Your state is in the forefront of the socialist movement (Seatttle) and sanctuary movement and one percent movement and anarchist movement, etc, etc.

There are lots of paces in Washington state where rent is not $1500 per month.

Economic policies have consequences as do socialistic policies.  You cant have it both ways.  It is proven economics that raising minimum wages is going to kill jobs and opportunity, especially for teens, the poor, etc. 

Much of this minimum wage $15 stuff is simply for the  Illegal Aliens.  Two illegals making $12 to $15 per hour make $35,000 to $50,000 per year in addition to collecting benefits of various types under liberal programs or using assumed names.  We are killing our country on both ends.  On one end the illegals taking jobs and benefits.  On the other end the various H1 type programs bringing in foreign workers to take higher level jobs.  We graduate way more STEM majors than there are jobs to fill.  Over the past 20 years we have layed off tens of thousands of Americans so foreign workers can take their jobs.  You see stories in the news monthly about some workers having to train their foreign replacements.

Dont even get me started on the massive influx of foreign students in our public universities, taking spots that could go to in-state students that are citizens.

This non illegal alien deserves more than $15/hr. And do not get me started on the limited benefits I am entitled to/can apply for. Single, no children is the least loved demographic in the US when it comes to supporting our citizens. Apparently I as a degreed engineer should just magically be able to overcome all the bloody biases employers have about women, people over 50, and those who didn't get to stay on the approved career/job trajectory and are punished for that too.

[Lizard Queen]

Feb 14, 2017 3:09:46 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

WA state is up to 11 an hour now. Prices are up and employment for low paid people is down. My car wash used to have 3 workers, you paid them, they brushed the car bad spots like bird dropping then got it going into the car wash. Now you pay a machine and they only have one worker to get you into the car wash so they lost jobs for two people and raised the price. It was $5 now $6.
People really need the living wages you can't live here even on $11 rent averages about $1,500 a month, homeless people everywhere.

The car wash at the corner gas station has been fully automated as long as I can remember.  About 10 years ago, it cost $2 for a basic wash with a 10 gallon purchase, $3 without a purchase.  New owners bought the place, let's say 7 years ago, and jacked it up to $6.  Still fully automated.  It had nothing to do with labor, and everything to do with profit.  They'll increase it to as much as they can get away with.  I used to get car washes all the time--at least every couple of weeks.  Now it's a couple times a year.     We wash them at home now.

[giramomma]

money.cnn.com/2017/02/14/news/economy/donald-trump-minimum-wage/index.html

ETA: The article is about how folks who voted for Trump also want minimum raised. Even Trump, at some point, talked about it during the campaign.

[tskeeter]

Feb 14, 2017 3:09:46 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

WA state is up to 11 an hour now. Prices are up and employment for low paid people is down. My car wash used to have 3 workers, you paid them, they brushed the car bad spots like bird dropping then got it going into the car wash. Now you pay a machine and they only have one worker to get you into the car wash so they lost jobs for two people and raised the price. It was $5 now $6.
People really need the living wages you can't live here even on $11 rent averages about $1,500 a month, homeless people everywhere.

A wonderful example of how government intervention affects the least fortunate among us.  I guess we will enjoy increased employment in social workers and others providing services to the newly unemployed and homeless.

[movingforward]

Feb 14, 2017 9:46:16 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Feb 14, 2017 3:09:46 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

WA state is up to 11 an hour now. Prices are up and employment for low paid people is down. My car wash used to have 3 workers, you paid them, they brushed the car bad spots like bird dropping then got it going into the car wash. Now you pay a machine and they only have one worker to get you into the car wash so they lost jobs for two people and raised the price. It was $5 now $6.
People really need the living wages you can't live here even on $11 rent averages about $1,500 a month, homeless people everywhere.

The car wash at the corner gas station has been fully automated as long as I can remember.  About 10 years ago, it cost $2 for a basic wash with a 10 gallon purchase, $3 without a purchase.  New owners bought the place, let's say 7 years ago, and jacked it up to $6.  Still fully automated.  It had nothing to do with labor, and everything to do with profit.  They'll increase it to as much as they can get away with.  I used to get car washes all the time--at least every couple of weeks.  Now it's a couple times a year.     We wash them at home now.

Same here. Basic car wash for the last SEVERAL years has been $6 - $8 with a full tank of gas (depending on where you go). I do kind of remember when it was $3 - $4 but, yes, that was at least 10 years ago. It has been automated forever.

I like to get a full detail once year but haven't in about 2 years because it cost around $250 with tip.