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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 29, 2017 18:12:58 GMT -5
Darnit, my mum is ill. Not serious, but needs some help for a while. My lease is up the end of Feb and I was going to visit some friends across the country. I'm pretty much thinking I will go see mum for a while in England, maybe 6 months. Has anyone gone away for that long to take care of parents? When you get there, tell everyone that you're Canadian. Americans aren't too popular right now. Want me to send you a Canadian flag pin?
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Post by debthaven on Jan 29, 2017 18:13:15 GMT -5
No, he's a Brit, resident in France, with a permanent US visa.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 18:16:14 GMT -5
I'm English but a Canadian PIN would look even awesomer. I don't know what a permanent visa is, well I mean I know what it is but I don't know how and why people get them.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2017 18:25:29 GMT -5
Your green card is a permanent visum. There may be other permanent visas, but that is all that your green card is: a permanent visum
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 29, 2017 18:55:03 GMT -5
Your green card, under normal circumstances should be sufficient. It does make it harder to get back into the US than a naturalized citizen, even under regular conditions. With the crap that has been going on, who knows.
Immigration is a huge issue, and while UK is not a Muslim country, all it would take is one incident and there might be a knee jerk executive order.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 19:00:33 GMT -5
I will say I have never had any issues, never been asked any questions at all when entering the US, NOT TO SAY THAT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 29, 2017 19:02:03 GMT -5
Your green card is a permanent visum. There may be other permanent visas, but that is all that your green card is: a permanent visum It is, but that visa has conditions associated with it. It is the owner's responsibility to know and understand all those conditions. Before TD became naturalized, we went to Mexico and he forgot his green card. He could have come back into the US under his Canadian passport, but that could have jeopardized his application for citizenship. We spent 4 hours in INS in Atlanta trying to get him legal. A forgotten green card can be a $600 fine, which fortunately they waived for him.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2017 19:53:27 GMT -5
True that The Walk of the Penguin Mich . And there is also that little requirement that could make naughtybear's plans somewhat more complex. If you are here and you move you have to notify the DHS within a couple of days (5 or 10 or so) of your new address. I haven't moved in 13 years so I don't remember the exact number of days. However, given today's political climate I would not risk missing even one single requirement. This is the time where you want to read up well before you do anything which regulations might apply to you.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 20:06:25 GMT -5
That what little requirement Nasty Woman? Y'all I have been out of US many, many times. It may only be a month, I don't know. Everytime I go on vacation I look up requirments in case things have changed. I for one have never forgotten my green card or passport coming back into the country. I have however lost my DL on vacation in CA. I have photocopies of paperwork, I also travel with my BC. I DO NOT WANT THE HASSLE OF THE US GOVT ON MY BACK, I do everything I can do to make sure of that. I bring all my darn paperwork to everything just in case.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2017 20:11:18 GMT -5
Naughty I am NOT attacking you. I just wanted to remind you that if you have a green card and you move, WITHIN THE US, by law you have to notify the DHS of your new address within a certain number of days. Please stop taking everything I say as an attack. Again, it is not ->actually none of my posts have been an attack on you.
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Post by busymom on Jan 29, 2017 21:15:22 GMT -5
Could you bring your mother here? That's what one of my neighbors did. Neither of her parents were born in the USA, but she somehow was able to bring both of them here. Both are frail, and other relatives come & go during the day when she is at work to see they are cared for. Just a thought. How did your neighbor deal with healthcare costs for her parents? Oh, and whisper the answer to me because I don't want my husband to hear the answer. His concern about how to pay for her healthcare costs is the only reason his mother (British citizen) isn't living with us right now. If he could crack that nut, he'd move her here in a heartbeat... and I'd have to move out. I guess I'll have to be a "nosy Nellie" and ask her sometime. I know she has a LOT of extended family that has immigrated to this country over the years. (Good family, high achieving kids, you get the idea...) I wonder if the family has pooled their money to help?
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 29, 2017 21:27:21 GMT -5
I will say I have never had any issues, never been asked any questions at all when entering the US, NOT TO SAY THAT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. can I just highlight this, please! with the executive orders this week, you really can't know what whim might strike our current President. please just take the time to protect yourself on the docs you already have in place.
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Post by emma1420 on Jan 29, 2017 21:29:31 GMT -5
I am a huge proponent of getting US citizenship if you are eligible, especially if you can keep the citizenship of your home country. Because policies of governments change and having citizenship protects you. And you may find once you go back that you aren't in any sort of hurry to come back, which may complicate things.
I am not sure if you are receiving social security yet or not, but keep in mind that social security payments won't receive a cost of living increase if you are based overseas (or at least that's what I've been told).
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2017 21:45:12 GMT -5
I am a huge proponent of getting US citizenship if you are eligible, especially if you can keep the citizenship of your home country. Because policies of governments change and having citizenship protects you. And you may find once you go back that you aren't in any sort of hurry to come back, which may complicate things. I am not sure if you are receiving social security yet or not, but keep in mind that social security payments won't receive a cost of living increase if you are based overseas (or at least that's what I've been told). I agree, but unfortunately my home country will not allow me to keep my citizenship. So I deal as best as I can and keep my fingers crossed. Ironically I could get around this problem in my home country's law by marrying an American. Nice twist on the marrying to get entry into the US theme. This works the other way around
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 29, 2017 22:04:28 GMT -5
I am a huge proponent of getting US citizenship if you are eligible, especially if you can keep the citizenship of your home country. Because policies of governments change and having citizenship protects you. And you may find once you go back that you aren't in any sort of hurry to come back, which may complicate things. I am not sure if you are receiving social security yet or not, but keep in mind that social security payments won't receive a cost of living increase if you are based overseas (or at least that's what I've been told). I agree, but unfortunately my home country will not allow me to keep my citizenship. So I deal as best as I can and keep my fingers crossed. Ironically I could get around this problem in my home country's law by marrying an American. Nice twist on the marrying to get entry into the US theme. This works the other way around apologies all around for the OT thread hijack, but I have a few questions. please feel free to tell me to pound sand. in my own experience with pursuing dual citizenship docs, I was told that the US doesn't recognize any other citizenship, AND that you are not required to renounce any other citizenship in order to naturalize. now. it's been a couple decades since I had to worry about this, but now I have to worry about my dad on his green card. please elaborate on what you've experienced, if you don't mind. I'm worried about my dad.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 22:05:48 GMT -5
No I know Nasty Woman, you had a period after that statement so I thought you just neglected to out what it was in there. Instead you started a new sentence, I was just a little unsure.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 22:15:04 GMT -5
I thought you had no renounce your prior country when pledging to the US, that the US doesn't allow dual citizensip?
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2017 22:16:15 GMT -5
I agree, but unfortunately my home country will not allow me to keep my citizenship. So I deal as best as I can and keep my fingers crossed. Ironically I could get around this problem in my home country's law by marrying an American. Nice twist on the marrying to get entry into the US theme. This works the other way around apologies all around for the OT thread hijack, but I have a few questions. please feel free to tell me to pound sand. in my own experience with pursuing dual citizenship docs, I was told that the US doesn't recognize any other citizenship, AND that you are not required to renounce any other citizenship in order to naturalize. now. it's been a couple decades since I had to worry about this, but now I have to worry about my dad on his green card. please elaborate on what you've experienced, if you don't mind. I'm worried about my dad. True, the US is not the problem with my pursuing dual citizenship. It's my home country that does not allow me to do so except under certain circumstances. Being married to a foreigner and taking his/her nationality would qualify to keep my citizenship of birth. What can I say -> I am always on the lookout hoping they eill change the law. If they do, I will pounce
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Post by milee on Jan 29, 2017 22:17:02 GMT -5
The US doesn't recognize dual citizenship. It does not require you to renounce your prior country, though. At least that is my understanding.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2017 22:17:18 GMT -5
I thought you had no renounce your prior country when pledging to the US, that the US doesn't allow dual citizensip?j The US just doesn't recognize the other nationality but it does not require to renounce it. ETA: I am doing laundry but I see that Milee beat me to it. That said Naughty if this is something you may wish to pursue you need to find out what British law has to say about this. An Italian friend of mine, similar family circumstances, is a dual citizen since last fall. Italy has no problems with it. Great Britain, beats me
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2017 23:45:35 GMT -5
The US doesn't recognize dual citizenship. It does not require you to renounce your prior country, though. At least that is my understanding. What she said!!! I have two cousins that are Dual Citizens (Canada) And since Haiti abolished the old law in 2012, every single family member of mine that are US citizens has applied and been approved for Haitian Citizenship, so we are now Dual Citizens.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 23:55:13 GMT -5
The UK doesn't have problem with it I just thought the US required you to renounce it.
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Post by naughtybear on Jan 29, 2017 23:58:36 GMT -5
I've looked into many times, as stated above I thought I had to renounce lol
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 30, 2017 0:53:13 GMT -5
TD holds passports to both Canada and the US. He uses which ever passport he is entering that country. So when we go into Canada, he uses that passport. Into the US, he uses his US passport.
He never had to renounce his Canadian citizenship.
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Post by Opti on Jan 30, 2017 4:56:15 GMT -5
My concern would be the perception that you are abandoning the US if you no longer have a valid mailing address. Not having a job will work against you too.
What I would do is petition to stay as long as you can, but if it is not necessary, you can always return early. When my mom was ill, I had scheduled 2 weeks. She died before I had been there a week, and I wound up being out 6 more weeks too. It is very difficult to leave, when you know your help is needed.
ETA: Petitioning for more time also gives a stronger perception that you plan on returning since you went through the hassle of filing the paperwork. This is always the problem when pre-planning what ifs, at least I find o be true for me. I would be thinking aloud only posting, like Naughty is doing, trying to What If the scenario of 'If I go to England to care for Mom, AND stay there for the longest time I can, What would that look like?'
Similar but different, I feel compelled to see my Mom in Illinois. I've wanted to go several times over the years due to issues/experiences in my own work life/personal life. I need to escape NJ, like yesterday, and doing something useful in Illinois would be therapeutic for me.
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Post by Opti on Jan 30, 2017 5:10:51 GMT -5
Darnit, my mum is ill. Not serious, but needs some help for a while. My lease is up the end of Feb and I was going to visit some friends across the country. I'm pretty much thinking I will go see mum for a while in England, maybe 6 months. Has anyone gone away for that long to take care of parents? When you get there, tell everyone that you're Canadian. Americans aren't too popular right now. Want me to send you a Canadian flag pin? <Raises hand>
Can I have some Canadian memorabilia too? I forgot that Alaska was attached to Canada soI'm actually going to forgive Sarah Palin for saying she can see Alaska from her house. She's probably been on both sides of Canada and forgot how Canada & Alaska were oriented in relation to her house.
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Post by Opti on Jan 30, 2017 5:11:52 GMT -5
When you get there, tell everyone that you're Canadian. Americans aren't too popular right now. Want me to send you a Canadian flag pin? I forgot that Alaska was attached to Canada soI'm actually going to forgive Sarah Palin for saying she can see Alaska from her house. She's probably been on both sides of Canada and forgot how Canada & Alaska were oriented in relation to her house.
I'll just say I did. I'm so sick, odd experiences are like flashy shiny to me. Right out of my complex there happened to be two BMWs that roared by around 750AM. Both were above the speed limit, and of course had to stop so I caught up to them at the first traffic light. It was like a movie ( ), the white car continued straight forward like I was planning to and the black BMW 3 series in front of me turned to the right. (An alternate way I can take to work.) It had Alaska plates. I wanted to follow that car because I couldn't figure out why a black BMW well washed with Alaska plates was even here in NJ, let alone how it actually got there.
It took me most of the day before someone helpfully reminded me Alaska was physically attached to Canada near Vancouver. And something about borders. I made I thought a very funny joke at the time as that must be an attractive place to live now. You could escape to Canada or America on the border, two different ways. Of course being on the West Coast it is not currently reachable by my car which needs lots of work.
Welts, if I'm secretly Canadian, what area would match me the best? Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, or Niagra Falls area or ?
Can't easily do the two posts. Apologies. TMI & sick.
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Post by Opti on Jan 30, 2017 5:13:11 GMT -5
TD holds passports to both Canada and the US. He uses which ever passport he is entering that country. So when we go into Canada, he uses that passport. Into the US, he uses his US passport. He never had to renounce his Canadian citizenship. Nice.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jan 30, 2017 9:00:42 GMT -5
I had yet another immigration/citizenship discussion with my husband this morning. Although we've been married for 27 years he's never become an American citizen, only holds a green card. For years, I've encouraged him to get citizenship to protect himself against future changes in policy and he always acts like I'm being silly. This morning, I pointed out that some of the Iranians being denied entry into the US are green card holders that helped us in the recent war... and are still being detained. He rolled his eyes and said that it's unlikely any administration will ban people from the UK as Muslim terrorists. I don't think that's the point, though. If the ban were only about Muslim terrorists then Saudi Arabia and Egypt would be on the ban list. It's obvious (to me anyway) that the changes afoot aren't just based on fighting terrorism and it's really naïve to expect future changes won't be a problem. For example, what will happen if Trump realizes it might be easy to fix some of Social Security and Medicare's issues by denying SS and Medicare to green card holders? Or in naughtybear's case, what if future decisions are partly based on who needed social benefits like government subsidies for health insurance?
I think he's being an idiot to think the green card and British citizenship are an infallible shield. Oh, and I let him know that just like Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright suggested, if the government starts a Muslim registry, I'm registering our family as Muslim so he might want to get started on citizenship before that happens.
I'm filing my paperwork today. I have a UK passport with an American husband and two minor children. Trump scares me and I don't want to take the chance of potentially being on the wrong side of the border from my family.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 30, 2017 9:44:47 GMT -5
This is not an "ANYWAY" situation. Do it. File for the extended stay. What with the political climate right now don't assume for one second that rather flimsy evudence like, bank accounts, DL, PO box, or even the fact that you have family here will be enough. And even if they are when you leave, who knows if this is still enough six months later when you wish to return. I had yet another immigration/citizenship discussion with my husband this morning. Although we've been married for 27 years he's never become an American citizen, only holds a green card. For years, I've encouraged him to get citizenship to protect himself against future changes in policy and he always acts like I'm being silly. This morning, I pointed out that some of the Iranians being denied entry into the US are green card holders that helped us in the recent war... and are still being detained. He rolled his eyes and said that it's unlikely any administration will ban people from the UK as Muslim terrorists. I don't think that's the point, though. If the ban were only about Muslim terrorists then Saudi Arabia and Egypt would be on the ban list. It's obvious (to me anyway) that the changes afoot aren't just based on fighting terrorism and it's really naïve to expect future changes won't be a problem. For example, what will happen if Trump realizes it might be easy to fix some of Social Security and Medicare's issues by denying SS and Medicare to green card holders? Or in naughtybear's case, what if future decisions are partly based on who needed social benefits like government subsidies for health insurance?
I think he's being an idiot to think the green card and British citizenship are an infallible shield. Oh, and I let him know that just like Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright suggested, if the government starts a Muslim registry, I'm registering our family as Muslim so he might want to get started on citizenship before that happens.
But I mean... how much does he annoy you?
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