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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 14:31:26 GMT -5
NAFTA is only part of the problem. Mostly, though, it's competing with the polluting sweatshops of the Far East. I see many more things made in China than I do Mexico or Guatemala or El Salvador.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 14:33:05 GMT -5
I'll give it a whirl. I'm in a rather feisty mood for some bizarre reason. I'll try to keep it under control.  |
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 14:41:40 GMT -5
I'll give it a whirl. I'm in a rather feisty mood for some bizarre reason. I'll try to keep it under control. Do you think you could not both trip over each other patting yourselves on the back and sucking up? Ick. Ok will do and just to make your day I gave you a Karma ...must be a Boston Irish thing..  |
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 14:42:25 GMT -5
Hack, no question. But, whatever propaganda floats your boat. But, you can see that I said that the Middle East is a very tricky question and that knowing which side to be on would be very difficult. But apparently, I can take a step back to evaluate and question and agree/disagree with my leaders but you can only engage in blind allegiance. Oh I have questions but know enough to hold criticism, just to give it to push a agenda like I would be influencing anyone , why try, that isn't discussion, just Yadda, yadda , to see my agenda in print. What is happening in Lybia, the normal reaction when one sees a potential slaughter of peoples, even if they are people one might have a disagreement with, just is hard to stand by and watch with out wanting to stop it. It has been that way so often in recent history. Cambodia with POL Pot, and when the North Vietnamese finally stepped in, for their own reasons true, but it stopped the slaughter and put Pol Pot on the run, because it was done by our former enemy not yet friends, North Vietnam, we condemned it and not till the cold war was over did it become a moot point. Somalia, when the slaughter of innocents by rape and machetes, Clinton held off, not sure really what we could have done or if we would still be involved there, but still he actually apologized to the people after leaving the Presidency when he visited the area in a humanitarian role. Now here in Lybia, who knows what will come about when/ if Qaddafi is gone. It's a tribal country, in fact a major Tribe is one that is fighting on his side now besides his hired mercenaries and Private Brigades under the command of his sons, basically private army. It seems many units of the army who when found isolated when the uprising first isolated/separated them them, they claimed they were not taking part, actually they were waiting for Gaddafi's to make his move and then came out on his side to join the battle. Some went over to the insurgents side but not a lot. There is a lot going on here, the POTUS is playing it as cool as he can, not wanting to be first in, lead nation into another middle eastern war for once. There are obligations when that happens, just observe Iraq, Afganistan. Actually the coalition and UN agreements came about very fast when you consider these things, even China, Russia who had veto power in the UN promising to and following through by not vetoing the UN policy of involvement. This is long from being over and to just criticize because a few here just don't care for who is our POTUS, and keep hammering on that as the cause of all that is wrong in their lives, just gets so old. {For a few of us here anyway} |
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 14:52:49 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if the private sector stepped up and tried to provide more jobs for the people? After all, the government can't do it without "shovel ready" government jobs - which conservatives hate to begin with. Unless, of course, you want the government to step in and force private businesses to hire people, but you wouldn't like that, and rightly so. And if you think lowering taxes will help, think again. A lower tax rate is simply free money in their pockets because it won't translate to higher rates of employment. That comes with demand and a need to expand a business's market share. That can't happen when 10% are unemployed and wages for the working man remaining stagnant for 30 years. Why hire an American for $25/hour when you can hire for the same position in Asia for $0.25/hour? But since "profit before people" has been the corporate mantra for quite awhile now, it appears the hirers don't have much of a vision for America either except how to exploit it. " $0.25/hour?" Possible some places , but over all what i understand, getting to be quite a bit more then that. |
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 14:54:34 GMT -5
Now here in Lybia, who knows what will come about when/ if Qaddafi is gone. Well, sob, sob. I guess that is the real definition of a 'leader'. One who has to make all the decisions before knowing the outcome and 20/20 hindsight. Poor, poor Obama. We can't expect him to actually do such a thing. I am not sure Obama should really "do" anything in particular with Libya or the middle east in general. Like in Egypt, I wouldn't even which side of the conflict to be on,whether to takes sides or just let things play out. I do think the world stage has changed. And, it isn't clear whether ousting one dictator is going to result in something better or something even worse. And, you really cannot fight for someone else's freedom There are points where we can and should assist. And, we should stand against evil But, there is also a point where the native people have to rise up and be willing to sacrifice their own blood for it. Iraq has the opening to a democracy and freedom. They either have to take it or not. We can nuture, coddle, cajole, to an extent, but ultimately their fate has to rest in their own hands. President Obama has decided to have the United States take a secondary support role in the Libyan situation. I fully support that stance. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 14:56:02 GMT -5
Ms Snerdley Snicklefritz I owe you another Karma poin but have to wait 48 minutes ...  BTW I like that name Snicklefrirz ..... Sie sehen heute sehr schick aus...ya?? |
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 14:58:48 GMT -5
"Or if you cannot lead then by all means get out the way and let someone else who can lead take over"...
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 15:04:50 GMT -5
"Or if you cannot lead then by all means get out the way and let someone else who can lead take over"... This includes situations in which it is not appropriate for you to be leading. A need to put yourself front and center of all situations is not leadership, it is ego. Fortunately we don't have a president who needs to give his ego full play. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 15:07:14 GMT -5
Obama is making an overt bid for U.S. investment in Brazil and is seeking to find economic advantage in Brazil's offshore oil reserves and the infrastructure demands it will face hosting the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. He plans to address a business summit organized by the U.S.-Brazil Business Council. Also in Brazil for the visit will be Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke and Energy Secretary Steven Chu. Still, Obama is not likely to deliver on key Brazilian issues, including Brazil's desire to be a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council and its desire for changes in U.S. farm policy that would ease or remove tariffs on Brazilian ethanol. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42147804/ns/politics-white_house/ |
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 15:07:49 GMT -5
Maybe he should stop gazing at his own naval and actually try to understand what is happening in the world. I am not sure Obama should really "do" anything in particular with Libya or the middle east in general. Like in Egypt, I wouldn't even which side of the conflict to be on,whether to takes sides or just let things play out. I do think the world stage has changed. And, it isn't clear whether ousting one dictator is going to result in something better or something even worse. And, you really cannot fight for someone else's freedom There are points where we can and should assist. And, we should stand against evil But, there is also a point where the native people have to rise up and be willing to sacrifice their own blood for it. Iraq has the opening to a democracy and freedom. They either have to take it or not. We can nuture, coddle, cajole, to an extent, but ultimately their fate has to rest in their own hands. |
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 15:09:27 GMT -5
You must've been born in 2008. ;D
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 15:17:07 GMT -5
Most strong leaders like to be out front to direct the operations, but I have never heard of a strong leader who leads from way back in the rear of an airplane flying down to Rio de Janeiro and watching basketball games on his PC
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 15:17:26 GMT -5
The POTUS shouldn't be leading here. The Med has always been a European sphere of influence and it's only right that Europeans take the initiative.
I doubt Americans would take kindly to a French-led military incursion into, say, Cuba or Mexico, right?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 15:18:40 GMT -5
That you agree that President Obama is doing the right thing in the situation. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 15:19:46 GMT -5
The POTUS shouldn't be leading here. The Med has always been a European sphere of influence and it's only right that Europeans take the initiative. I doubt Americans would take kindly to a French-led military incursion into, say, Cuba or Mexico, right? True but he has no skin in the game and has passed off to his Secretary of State which probably is not such a bad thing because we don't know what when on behind the scenes....maybe Sarkozy told Obama to take a plane ride to Rio instead of to Paris... just a hunch ... General McCafferty was asked his opinion on MSNBC today and he said he would have no comment, but was surprised the President was absent from the scene as our military was engaging with the Kadahfy forces in Libya...he said that this is probably new foreign policy to be less engaged or to less out in front especially with Arab Countries.....so I guess what I am saying we can just speculate why Obama is AWOL..?? |
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 15:21:44 GMT -5
Most strong leaders like to be out front to direct the operations, but I have never heard of a strong leader who leads from way back in the rear of an airplane flying down to Rio de Janeiro and watching basketball games on his PC A strong leader is able to use a variety of techniques to accomplish goals. |
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 15:23:19 GMT -5
The POTUS shouldn't be leading here. The Med has always been a European sphere of influence and it's only right that Europeans take the initiative. I doubt Americans would take kindly to a French-led military incursion into, say, Cuba or Mexico, right? True but he has no skin in the game and has passed off to his Secretary of State which probably is not such a bad thing because we don't know what when on behind the scenes....maybe Sarkozy told Obama to take a plane ride to Rio instead of to Paris... just a hunch ... Allowing the French President to take the leadership position is a good choice in this situation. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 15:28:51 GMT -5
Most strong leaders like to be out front to direct the operations, but I have never heard of a strong leader who leads from way back in the rear of an airplane flying down to Rio de Janeiro and watching basketball games on his PC Think I heard this before.  |
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 15:29:20 GMT -5
Allowing the French President to take the leadership position is a good choice in this situation. Well, if France is all for it , then it does give me pause that maybe Obama is right.  |
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 15:46:20 GMT -5
Our President just took a break from his busy day to issue this statement and then went back to watching the NCAA Basketball games ..
BREAKING NEWS: Obama: U.S. has begun 'limited military' action in Libya
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 16:37:06 GMT -5
Really, he has all of his life to party. I would think the party-on Mein El Presidente would lose it's appeal, but i guess not. Yes but remember the White House said that Obama had planned his trip to Brazil several days ago and felt it was too important to cancel plus he can get in some beach time, take in some nice shows in Rio. And Mrs Obama likes to shop in Latin American countries because the clothes there are less expensive. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 18:30:50 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 6:32:58 GMT -5
Re: Is Obama AWOL???
Obama has been AWOL on more than one occasion when we had a crisis and this led to a crisis of confidence in his presidency.
IMHO if he doesn't return from his latest working vacation in Latin America with some substantial agreement for trade or other foreign policies. Or to bring home more jobs as he promised; then once again he will be seen for all talk and no action.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 6:39:47 GMT -5
The POTUS shouldn't be leading here. The Med has always been a European sphere of influence and it's only right that Europeans take the initiative.
I doubt Americans would take kindly to a French-led military incursion into, say, Cuba or Mexico, right?Shirina in response to #64....the POTUS was not only not leading he was not even in the game. Hillary Clinton did all the heavy lifting with the UN and the NATO leaders to bring them to launch their planes into Libya yesterday. Gates and Biden were opposed to the no fly zone ideas and Obama was AWOL on these dicussions until Hillary called him and convinved him that the Arabs now had skin in the game and he went along with her. She then flew to Paris to meet with the NATO Presidents and Prime Ministers while Obama was in Brazil wining and dining with the Brazilian President . topics.cnn.com/topics/hillary_clinton
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 20, 2011 6:58:03 GMT -5
You know it's so great we have people here on the zone who are so intimatly involved with the inner workings of the movers and shakers in our government, even foreign leaders, those shakers and movers too, their intimate talks, the side bars of interaction when they battle back and forth as they come to these immense decisions, to be able to know what really is going down, yep we are so grateful.   |
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