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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 3:44:26 GMT -5
It should be a given to anyone who has been engaged for the last two years that Obama lacks the talents to lead, but what is now questionable is whether he is even wired to care. Over the course of our history, in times of crisis—whether natural disasters or upheavals where U.S. interests or those of our allies have been at stake—American presidents have stepped to the rostrum to instill confidence and provide leadership; not only for Americans but for the world. Instead, this president appears on ESPN to handicap basketball games. Barack Obama never misses a fundraiser (he is a money raising machine), nor the chance to touch on world events when attending them, but that is a far cry from addressing the nation and the world in times of calamity. In France, Nicholas Sarkozy has assumed the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt, calling for a UN or NATO no-fly zone over the country. Unfortunately, President Sarkozy hasn’t the clout to make that imperative action a reality. Time after time for more than two years Barack Obama has either vacationed through the realities of a world in chaos around him, or responded with too little too late. He has been soft on terrorists, Iranian democracy protesters cries for help fell on deaf ears, Egypt received milquetoast assurances of U.S. moral support; and Japan has yet to hear a formal presidential address of support from its closest ally. What we are witnessing here appear to be the actions—or rather inactions—of a man-child, too preoccupied with his recreational pursuits to concern himself with the business of the presidency. Barack Obama is either inept or lazy; in either case he is unfit for the Office of the President. leftcoastledger.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/where-is-barack-obama-%e2%80%a6-fore/
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 19, 2011 6:55:03 GMT -5
Obama has done a poor job, especially with who he put into his administration. As far as Libya goes, I hope he stays out of it. Those rebels are not peaceful, this is a civil war. Wasting our money on the Libyan war front will only hurt us in the long run. The oil output from the country mostly goes to Europe. If Obama intervenes with the civil war, I would consider him just as bad Bush.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 8:14:56 GMT -5
George W. Bush was severely criticized by the left because he didn't get to Washington DC fast enough for them when we were attacked on 9/11. Cheney was also criticized for hiding in a bunker in Washington DC when the Pentagon was hit by the Muslim terrorists. Now those on the left here are criticizing anyone who thinks Obama has been AWOL or should NOT be playing around in Brazil and watching the lovely ladies from Epanema in their string bikinis on the beaches in Rio,,.. Even the San Francisco Chronicle which is a left wing rag and a progressive newspaper has had recent editorials that question Obama's leadership. Walter Cronkite once said when the President of the United States begins to lose the support of the major newspapers in this country then he has lost the country.. So I would suggest that those on the left who disagree with being critical of Obama, pick up a newspaper and read the editorials being written this week about Obama being AWOL and going to Brazil instead of being in Washington DC..
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 19, 2011 11:05:38 GMT -5
My take is that the US should be letting(forcing) the rest of the world to start taking and/or assuming responsibility for assuming leadership roles in crisis situations, like those in the middle east. The US has been providing what could be said is welfare to Western Europe in the form of military campaigns that protected Western Europe over the last 50 years. About time another country/countries step up. That is my take.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 11:15:00 GMT -5
My take is that the US should be letting(forcing) the rest of the world to start taking and/or assuming responsibility for assuming leadership roles in crisis situations, like those in the middle east. The US has been providing what could be said is welfare to Western Europe in the form of military campaigns that protected Western Europe over the last 50 years. About time another country/countries step up. That is my take. SF good stuff but I don't think it is only just Libya because Obama's is being critized by the conservative, liberal and overseas media for being too timid on Japan, Libya, Iran, Egypt, Baharain, Yemen, Palestine and our own Budget/Fiscal issues... All of the Talk Shows out here are all abuzz about him going to Brazil at this time..and what folks are saying is very troubling to say the least as you surely can guess..?? I think one caller said it best and she sounded to be an African American young lady from Oakland CA and I am paraphrasing..."If I had known President Obama would have been like this in 2008, I would never have voted for him" Many listeners to talk radio are expressing the same or similar sentiments today all over the radio networks ..check it out if you have the time..even probably on NPR...
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 19, 2011 11:20:12 GMT -5
My take is that the US should be letting(forcing) the rest of the world to start taking and/or assuming responsibility for assuming leadership roles in crisis situations, like those in the middle east. The US has been providing what could be said is welfare to Western Europe in the form of military campaigns that protected Western Europe over the last 50 years. About time another country/countries step up. That is my take. SF good stuff but I don't think it is only just Libya because Obama's is being critized by the conservative, liberal and overseas media for being too timid on Japan, Libya, Iran, Egypt, Baharain, Yemen, Palestine and our own Budget/Fiscal issues... All of the Talk Shows out here are all abuzz about him going to Brazil at this time..and what folks are saying is very troubling to say the least as you surely can guess..?? I think one caller said it best and she sounded to be an African American young lady and I am paraphrasing..."If I had known President Obama would have been like this in 2008, I would never have voted for him" Many listeners to talk radio are expressing the same or similar sentiments today all over the radio networks ..check it out if you have the time.. This bodes well for 2012.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 11:20:54 GMT -5
This bodes well for 2012.
My hunch is that his trip to Brazil is what set off this firestorm and if nothing comes out of this trip to Latin America and we don't see any news jobs creations then he will really be in a world of hurt...
Not my words but those on Talk Radio in the SF Bay Area
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 19, 2011 11:20:58 GMT -5
My take is that the US should be letting(forcing) the rest of the world to start taking and/or assuming responsibility for assuming leadership roles in crisis situations, like those in the middle east. The US has been providing what could be said is welfare to Western Europe in the form of military campaigns that protected Western Europe over the last 50 years. About time another country/countries step up. That is my take. SF good stuff but I don't think it is only just Libya because Obama's is being critized by the conservative, liberal and overseas media for being too timid on Japan, Libya, Iran, Egypt, Baharain, Yemen, Palestine and our own Budget/Fiscal issues... All of the Talk Shows out here are all abuzz about him going to Brazil at this time..and what folks are saying is very troubling to say the least as you surely can guess..?? I think one caller said it best and she sounded to be an African American young lady and I am paraphrasing..."If I had known President Obama would have been like this in 2008, I would never have voted for him" Many listeners to talk radio are expressing the same or similar sentiments today all over the radio networks ..check it out if you have the time.. This bodes well for 2012. He is one and done.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 11:21:11 GMT -5
... and she sounded to be an African American young lady ....
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 11:35:18 GMT -5
I believe this is what has Dems, Independents and Republicans so incensed today:
In France, Nicholas Sarkozy has assumed the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt, calling for a UN or NATO no-fly zone over the country. Unfortunately, President Sarkozy hasn’t the clout to make that imperative action a reality.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 11:46:23 GMT -5
I believe this is what has Dems, Independents and Republicans so incensed today: In France, Nicholas Sarkozy has assumed the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt, calling for a UN or NATO no-fly zone over the country. Unfortunately, President Sarkozy hasn’t the clout to make that imperative action a reality.I suggest that it would be important for a Libyan to assume the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt. Foreign leadership changes it from a revolt to a takeover.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 11:49:32 GMT -5
I believe this is what has Dems, Independents and Republicans so incensed today: In France, Nicholas Sarkozy has assumed the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt, calling for a UN or NATO no-fly zone over the country. Unfortunately, President Sarkozy hasn’t the clout to make that imperative action a reality.I suggest that it would be important for a Libyan to assume the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt. Foreign leadership changes it from a revolt to a takeover. Yea we all know Biilsonboard is an ardent and big Khadafy fan and anti-military as well so not too surprised that he wants his hero Col Khadafy to be successful ..they both have a lot in common and don't want foreign involment in a Libyan Civil War and Khadafy was very courteous to Obama and still likes him ..I suppose??
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 12:08:35 GMT -5
I suggest that it would be important for a Libyan to assume the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt. Foreign leadership changes it from a revolt to a takeover. Yea we all know Biilsonboard is big Khadafy fan and anti-military...and wants his hero Col Khadafy to be successful ..they both have a lot in common and don't want foreign involment in a Libyan Civil War..I suppose?? If that is what you suppose, more power to you.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 12:13:13 GMT -5
Note: Even the Huffington Post has articles that are critical of Obama here's one by Ole Newtie...like him or hate him does have some good ideas...IMHO Gingrich, who has made comments indicating that Gaddafi may be hard to push out, said he believes it is still possible for the dictator to be removed from power.
“It’s never too late when you’re dealing with a small dictator. They can get rid of Gaddafi,” he said.
But he leveled his primary criticism at the White House's slowness to act even after Obama’s statement on March 3 that Gaddafi needed to “step down and leave.”
“There are a lot of ways to get rid of a dictator, if you want to. But this idea that we posture, we talk, we have diplomatic meetings -- it’s been 30-some days since this started,” Gingrich said. “It makes us look weak and uncertain.”
Pressed for things he would have done differently in the president's position, Gingrich listed only one.
“You start by communicating to the military that he’s going to be gone and that they should be on your side. And in a lot of cases, the military goes, ‘Got it, we’re with you guys.’ And they’re gone. It’s happened a number of times around the world,” he said.
Gingrich refrained from providing further specifics.
“You ought to study Eisenhower and Reagan,” he said. “There are lots of ways to not necessarily use American troops that have enormous impact on a country the size of Libya.”www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/18/gingrich-sarkozy-lead-on-_n_837605.html
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2011 12:26:45 GMT -5
Getting rid of an individual dictator is the easy part. Having a viable government take control of a country is the difficult part. That is why the Libyans need to take charge of their country.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2011 12:54:25 GMT -5
... and she sounded to be an African American young lady .... Ya think?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2011 12:56:02 GMT -5
I suggest that it would be important for a Libyan to assume the position of leadership in the Libyan revolt. Foreign leadership changes it from a revolt to a takeover. Yea we all know Biilsonboard is an ardent and big Khadafy fan and anti-military as well so not too surprised that he wants his hero Col Khadafy to be successful ..they both have a lot in common and don't want foreign involment in a Libyan Civil War and Khadafy was very courteous to Obama and still likes him ..I suppose?? Oh my.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 13:17:28 GMT -5
Well that explains it all right there given that the vast majority of talk radio shows are extremely right-wing biased.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 19, 2011 13:19:08 GMT -5
Getting rid of an individual dictator is the easy part. Having a viable government take control of a country is the difficult part. That is why the Libyans need to take charge of their country. Agreed, but I don't think Obama sees much potential for a takeover by radical Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood, and that is why he is not pushing the revolt in Libya like he was the ones in Egypt and Tunisia. Libya is a wealthy country, and the ruling class will not want a radical Islamic theocracy which will inhibit their ability to amass more wealth. They will advocate for more of a Saudi-like government which pretends to be theocratic, but in reality it applies only to the poor. The wealthy still get their booze, hookers and Bentleys. Radical Islamic theocracies like the type Obama and the Democrats want for Egypt and Tunisia make ALL citizens slaves...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2011 13:22:10 GMT -5
Getting rid of an individual dictator is the easy part. Having a viable government take control of a country is the difficult part. That is why the Libyans need to take charge of their country. Agreed, but I don't think Obama sees much potential for a takeover by radical Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood, and that is why he is not pushing the revolt in Libya like he was the ones in Egypt and Tunisia. Libya is a wealthy country, and the ruling class will not want a radical Islamic theocracy which will inhibit their ability to amass more wealth. They will advocate for more of a Saudi-like government which pretends to be theocratic, but in reality it applies only to the poor. The wealthy still get their booze, hookers and Bentleys. Radical Islamic theocracies like the type Obama and the Democrats want for Egypt and Tunisia make ALL citizens slaves... Fact or personal opinion to all?
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 13:23:21 GMT -5
I guess we'll see, but Republicans certainly haven't acquitted themselves well thus far.
I think voters are going to remember Walker in Wisconsin and how the Republican controlled House has done nothing so far except to play Trivial Pursuit: Redefining rape to undercut abortions, holding emergency sessions to defund NPR, a Missouri senator looking to abolish child labor laws, making having a miscarriage a criminal act, trying to repeal "Obamacare," etc.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 13:36:04 GMT -5
One here is really big into his assessments of the POTUS lack of leadership, even mentioning "back in the day when it was a member of the military " he's feelings of what a leader was looked for in leading units, even countries.
I have been following the unraveling situation closely all morning , till recently, NCAA playoffs now are on, and if one wants to go with interpretations of leadership and decisions being made, I suggest that former General Wesley Clark's interpretation of and ideas of the correct response by our POTUS this AM seem to be more of a expert 's ideas to be considered. Also backed up by another guest general, sorry missed his name, who agreed with Clarks assessement , and brought out how what is unfolding is similar in many ways with Clark's command and decisions in Kosovo, that caused the Serbs to stand down with no ground forces of note being involved and I believe no actual combat casualties to American forces.{There may have been some due to non combat actions, what can happen when one is operating sophisticated equipment in a hi stress way. I bring that point up as someone might call me out on that fact}
General Clark is fully in favor of Obama's conduct here, allowing France and other nations to take the lead here. One of the reasons is these other countries will be more influenced by what happens in Libya then we are. Except for some 90,000 gallons of oil per day received from Lybia, easily made up by the way , we have little contact or interaction with the country. France and other European Nations have much more contact and interactions with the country and it's leadership and would be influenced greatly if the country reverts to a civil war, due to refugees trying to get away from the fighting and entering France, Italy and other European countries as well as being impacted with other disruptions in the area.
He , General Clark, went on for a long time on all aspects of the topic, Lybia and all his comments were complete opposite of the suggestions put forth for the one who has been posting so many posts on this and other similar threads on the topic and particuler, the conduct iof the POTUS..
I'll go with the Generals ideas over a long out of service former enlisted, no matter their stripes, who has shown that it's agenda is anything but honest discussion on the merits , pro or con of our current POTUS qualifications.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 19, 2011 13:55:35 GMT -5
Clark is a political hack and has been for a long time. You will have to do better than that. Lets see , there is the comments of General Wesley Clark, then there are the insiteful comments of the Snerdly...mmmmmmm
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 19, 2011 14:01:32 GMT -5
Watching Obama is like hearing your kid play "Twinkle Little Star" for the first time on the piano. You stand there in amazement and are so proud. But, after the 1000th repetition, it is time to move on to the next song. But, instead, our one-trick pony can muster up only more of the same.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 14:16:55 GMT -5
Damn, it seems the conservatives hand out karma to each other like candy at a 4th of July parade.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 14:21:22 GMT -5
Damn, it seems the conservatives hand out karma to each other like candy at a 4th of July parade. Not true Shirina I have given you several Karma points as you know but not on the 4th of July ..
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 14:22:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if the private sector stepped up and tried to provide more jobs for the people? After all, the government can't do it without "shovel ready" government jobs - which conservatives hate to begin with.
Unless, of course, you want the government to step in and force private businesses to hire people, but you wouldn't like that, and rightly so.
And if you think lowering taxes will help, think again. A lower tax rate is simply free money in their pockets because it won't translate to higher rates of employment. That comes with demand and a need to expand a business's market share. That can't happen when 10% are unemployed and wages for the working man remaining stagnant for 30 years.
Why hire an American for $25/hour when you can hire for the same position in Asia for $0.25/hour? But since "profit before people" has been the corporate mantra for quite awhile now, it appears the hirers don't have much of a vision for America either except how to exploit it.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 19, 2011 14:23:05 GMT -5
Pah! I expect loads of karma on the 4th!
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 14:30:42 GMT -5
OK you got them Shirina ....but please try to be less confrontational today and more of your usual highly sophisticated nature..or don't let any conservatives ruin your day...
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