Cold Hard Truth From Politico: Democrats In The Wilderness

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Feb 22, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Guess what Paul, we aren't all libs or bros. Your posts since winning really insult your intelligence, or what what credit I once gave you. 

what if my "real" name is Libby? What then?  

And maybe you are my male sibling....


then we are Lib and bro.....no?

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 22, 2017 20:14:23 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Jan 24, 2017 23:18:51 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The Democratic Party is in full blown nuclear meltdown. They're destroying themselves before our very eyes and ears. I don't think there's any coming back from the 200,000 doofus march. 2020 is going to be Nixon 1972 all over again.

The Alt.left, race baiters, media elites, master card marxists, slacktivists, climate alarmists, grievance mongerers, eco-calvinists, Christophobics, islamofascists, anarchists, Bible haters, passive TV people, the unread, the incurious, the uneducated, the miseducated, the maleducated, the permanent political ruling class, Gang Green, hispanderers, Hollywood and Big Tech, the two party establishment, the dreamy dangerous globalists and the neo Victorians are in full seizure mode. Pass the popcorn.

Now that's a word salad.

well lets see here...Hiring Freeze....wants to hire 15,000 federal workers..5000 border police and 10,000 immigration police...I looked up salary..a quick google..not counting medical coverage, pensions..weapons,vehickles, computers, office rental , badges, ID...just salaries is $54,000 per year not counting supervisors, supervisors of supervisors...

Approval 57%..uh, uh..that figure is disapproval..u read it wrong...see here..
www.yahoo.com/news/m/a105ba73-82b1-3d55-8ea5-755f67caa71a/trump-approval-is-down%2C.html

So far , latest..Mexico considering purchasing their normal corn imports...big # by the way...somewhere else...possible Canada...?

As far as taking terrortory...don't believe China is into that type of expansion...does make trade deals with countries for natural resources they need..have mucho $ for that and don't see them leaving south sea Islands so quickly..latest seems they are putting missles on those new Islands..

He is going to find out he needs congressional ok to pass budget..spending cuts..anything to do with budget..congress controls the purse strings..

theres more but over all your list is just so much fluff..little substance or truth to any of the thoughts presented..think hanging with the Donald to much...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 22, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Guess what Paul, we aren't all libs or bros. Your posts since winning really insult your intelligence, or what what credit I once gave you. 

I don't live and breathe on credit given my like health units in a video game, so I'll be fine.

The left and liberals are in the middle of a meltdown right now that is so spectacular, that I must admit anyone on the left right now has lost a LOT of credit I used to give them. The left is engaged in indefensible conduct right now- from the violent attacks on political opponents funded by the DNC and coordinated with Hillary's campaign to the maligning of opponents as racists, sexists and whatever other "ist" they can think of, to the OFA and the Obama shadow government sabotaging national security to undermine a sitting President. 

It's comforting only to the extent that the Democratic party is a flailing, failing, fringe regional party which is continuing to alienate moderates and independents making a political comeback less likely than an outright collapse of the party- which would be good for America and the world. The trouble is that there's so much house cleaning to do- especially on the courts. And you never know the true extent of the threat they pose this early in Trump's presidency. Are they plotting a military coup? It has been floated along with other seditious plots. I want to be optimistic that this is simply the death throes of a once great party that became a fringe party full of kooks trying to flood the zone with a coalition of disparate grievance groups, including the sexually deviant, pedophiles, illegal aliens, felons, and welfare recipients. But what if they're actually organized-- what if the Muslim brotherhood has sleeper cells in embedded in the military and other sensitive posts? Scary stuff.

But there's also the silly stuff- like the Democratic Party's persistent belief they're not going to get caught astroturfing like they did with the riots-- and now the "raucous Republican town halls" where liberal activists- including some paid protestors- are acting like angry constituents. It's too easy to find out who these people are, and it's too easy to follow the money.

But as for the leftists that defend it- you're all way the hell out on the black ice. There's very little room anymore to allow for ignorance as an explanation. Information is too widely available. now.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

donald losing lots of credits too!

In a national survey released Wednesday, Quinnipiac University found that 38% of American voters approve of Trump's job performance, while 55% disapprove.

www.cnn.com/2017/02/22/politics/donald-trump-approval-rating-quinnipiac-poll/index.html

[Phoenix84]

Jan 20, 2017 6:01:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I believe that this election might cripple both parties in the coming elections, and I am not sure the two party system survives.
The rise of Trump on the right and Bernie on the left represents a sea change in party loyalty of the party faithful.
Neither are members of their respective party.


Of course pundits claimed the Republican party was dead before November 8th because Trump  would destroy them with a historic loss, so what do I know?

If this administration fails in the next two years, then the Democrats will be reborn and saved.....

I don't think democrats are out for good. I think they'll make a comeback. I don't know when exactly, could be as little as two years, could be as much as 8, but they'll come back.

But I don't know if they'll come back in their current form.  Like Value Buy hinted at, I think both parties are becoming more populist and the "outsider" is getting more and more appeal. I think, like the republicans, we're going to see a different kind of candidate than we are used to seeing.

[Phoenix84]

Jan 20, 2017 7:11:55 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

That was not a bad article. I'm glad I bothered to hit the link and go to it.

Of course the hyperbole in the comment in the first post is over the top ridiculous, but the article itself is worth a read.

For the Dems, it will indeed be a time of re-assessment and re-birth with new leaders.  Age brings with it a relative understanding of how fast things change.  It seems like almost yesterday that the Clintons were the bold way forward for the party.  A re-birth with Bill Clinton's "Third Way", born of pragmatism and his experiences in Arkansas.  Now they are the old guard.  Bill Clinton can still deliver a stem winder, and is still relevant as a party "elder".  But the times they are a changin'. 

I do think that change was hastened by one other factor, not touched upon in the article.  HRC, God love her, was not a strong enough political candidate.  Of course with 20+ years of bile thrown on her by the opposition she was weighed down, but she is not a natural born politician.  That helped hasten the "change", perhaps.

The real concern though, is buried below the hype at the top.  The grass roots have withered a bit, and the GOP has out maneuvered the Dems in gerrymandering as well.  Ironically though, the election of Donald Trump will help change at least some of that.  Nothing energizes a party like defeat, and watching the other side take the crown.  Right GOP?  The grass roots are now getting some water, with a shot of nitro.

I don't think Hillary, at her core, is a people person.  That isn't a partisian insult, but an honest assessment of what I've seen of her.  And that's because I'm not a people person either.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 22, 2017 22:40:51 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jan 25, 2017 11:09:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i call BS on that:

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

there is no survey in that list where his approval is at 57%. 

currently, he is putting together numbers that are historically low.  he is at -8, or 41%.

There also was not a poll that showed him not only winning the election with OH, FL, and NC-- but also, WI, MI, and PA.   

Democrats love all the polls except polling places- where they consistently lose. Barack Obama presided over the collapse of the Democratic party into a fringe regional party with no hope of returning to national power. The GOP is two states away from being able to invoke the Article V Convention of the States (efforts well underway) and Amend the Constitution unopposed. Chew on that poll.

couldn't care less what Democrats love, i am quite familiar with the COS, and i have already commented on those state polls (half of the ones you cited were correct.  in fact, the NH poll, which is notoriously difficult, was within 0.1% of accurate).  i offered to comment even more, but nobody took me up on it.

speaking of ignoring polls, i predict that you will ignore the fact that the new Rasmussen Poll (the update of the one you love so much) shows that the POtuS is down 5% in a week to 50-50 approval, and no poll shows him at more than +1, now.  Gallup (which is the gold standard for this survey) shows him at -11%.

let's see how good YOU are at acknowledging polls that are not going "your way".

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The president had better get on the ObamaCare repeal- and I think we can do better than August for the overhaul of the tax code.  I realize he's up against the entire establishment- including Speaker Ryan and the RINO caucus in the House-- but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He's got to get'r done. I think that is being reflected in the polls.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 23, 2017 13:45:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The president had better get on the ObamaCare repeal- and I think we can do better than August for the overhaul of the tax code.  I realize he's up against the entire establishment- including Speaker Ryan and the RINO caucus in the House-- but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He's got to get'r done. I think that is being reflected in the polls.

dare to dream.

[verrip1]

I don't think that there is much establishment Republican opposition to a reduction and change in corporate taxation to motivate moving a lot of cash from overseas operations back to the US economy.  With that as a centerpiece and personal tax change specifics negotiated, sufficient consensus to pass both houses does not seem unreasonable to me.  I'd agree that sooner is better, but August does not seem to me an unreasonably long time for major legislation to be adopted - it's more important to get it right than to get it fast.

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 23, 2017 13:45:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The president had better get on the ObamaCare repeal- and I think we can do better than August for the overhaul of the tax code.  I realize he's up against the entire establishment- including Speaker Ryan and the RINO caucus in the House-- but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He's got to get'r done. I think that is being reflected in the polls.

What makes u think he can do a 1/2/3...viola , heres the new "Trump Care insurance program"...very involved..your dealing with hospitals, doctors, labs. the insured them selves...very involved..unless u feel he just does away and not offer a program for the folks...possible u personally and family is not affected by Obama care..I am not as have medicare...but unless u feel for those without insurence..tough noogies...I see it taking time to come up with a program...that he promised while campaigning he would take care of this , Obama Care, first thing once elected..he knew he couldn't..he just lied , again but on this one his mob of followers , it was on them to know it wouldn't be that fast..I knew that...

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 23, 2017 10:11:30 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Jan 20, 2017 6:01:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I believe that this election might cripple both parties in the coming elections, and I am not sure the two party system survives.
The rise of Trump on the right and Bernie on the left represents a sea change in party loyalty of the party faithful.
Neither are members of their respective party.


Of course pundits claimed the Republican party was dead before November 8th because Trump  would destroy them with a historic loss, so what do I know?

If this administration fails in the next two years, then the Democrats will be reborn and saved.....

I don't think democrats are out for good. I think they'll make a comeback. I don't know when exactly, could be as little as two years, could be as much as 8, but they'll come back.

But I don't know if they'll come back in their current form.  Like Value Buy hinted at, I think both parties are becoming more populist and the "outsider" is getting more and more appeal. I think, like the republicans, we're going to see a different kind of candidate than we are used to seeing.

Of course the Dems will be back and then the pubs then the dems then.....get the picture? When..? Hope tomorrow but seriously...haven't a clue but it will happen unless the Donald destroys the whole country...a distinct possibility IMHO...

[Value Buy]

Feb 23, 2017 14:01:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 23, 2017 13:45:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The president had better get on the ObamaCare repeal- and I think we can do better than August for the overhaul of the tax code.  I realize he's up against the entire establishment- including Speaker Ryan and the RINO caucus in the House-- but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He's got to get'r done. I think that is being reflected in the polls.

dare to dream.

We just finished eight years of dreams and promises.
All we got were illegal aliens being protected and Obamacare paid  for by working Ameicans who already had insurance paying for others who did not have it.

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 24, 2017 9:59:23 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 23, 2017 14:01:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

dare to dream.

We just finished eight years of dreams and promises.
All we got were illegal aliens being protected and Obamacare paid  for by working Ameicans who already had insurance paying for others who did not have it.

also got a reduction of troops overseas in combat from about 250,000 to about 10,000 give or take a few...plus the costs...plus a deal with Iran on stopping their nuclear program, a great accomplishment  no matter what the Donald..who really knows crap about anything , especially nuclear stuff...just found out nuclear war is nasty...hey his words..and Natanyahu too..secretly is happy about it..

also, finally getting to be friends with Cuba..good thing..plus those 20 million AMERICANS...adults, grandparents and kids being covered  for their medical needs just like me....and u too...Being a middle to the left person I don't mind that I am paying a bit to help out some fellow AMERICANS...on their medical coverage...food stamps too and other social services if needed...being person who leans heavily right I guess u don't feel that way about your own $...one of many differences between us ...

[ I could go on and on and on...actually should have a thread where all could put in their houghts on the eight years of accomplishments from the big to the small...]

hey, always liked that vegerable garden on the white house lawn...neat and watching the girls grow from useing the jungle gym to young ladies tweeting away on their phones...yup neat four years it was...a privalidge to be here for it...Now u enjoy the Donald years...lol 

[Value Buy]

Neat Four years it was......

There's the problem. It was eight years.
Evidently you sliced and diced it to four good years, rather than eight years of promises.....

Democratic Revisionism at it's finest

[djAdvocate]

Feb 24, 2017 9:59:23 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 23, 2017 14:01:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

dare to dream.

We just finished eight years of dreams and promises.
All we got were illegal aliens being protected and Obamacare paid  for by working Ameicans who already had insurance paying for others who did not have it.

1) you have no more illegal aliens in the US in 2016 than you did in 2008
2) the ACA partially solved the problem that Reagan created (EMTALA). 

your reply shows that you have either no grasp of these facts, or you think i don't.

[Opti]

Jan 20, 2017 6:01:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I believe that this election might cripple both parties in the coming elections, and I am not sure the two party system survives.
The rise of Trump on the right and Bernie on the left represents a sea change in party loyalty of the party faithful.
Neither are members of their respective party.


Of course pundits claimed the Republican party was dead before November 8th because Trump  would destroy them with a historic loss, so what do I know?

If this administration fails in the next two years, then the Democrats will be reborn and saved.....

You must have read very different pundits than I did. All the ones I read said Trump would be the destruction of the party simply because he is not a Republican. IMO Trump winning the election just hastens the problems in the Republican party

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 23, 2017 15:03:24 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

I don't think that there is much establishment Republican opposition to a reduction and change in corporate taxation to motivate moving a lot of cash from overseas operations back to the US economy.  With that as a centerpiece and personal tax change specifics negotiated, sufficient consensus to pass both houses does not seem unreasonable to me.  I'd agree that sooner is better, but August does not seem to me an unreasonably long time for major legislation to be adopted - it's more important to get it right than to get it fast.

I don't care if they pass it in December, so long as it is retroactive just exactly like the Omnibus budget reconciliation Act of 1993.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 24, 2017 11:07:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 24, 2017 9:59:23 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We just finished eight years of dreams and promises.
All we got were illegal aliens being protected and Obamacare paid  for by working Ameicans who already had insurance paying for others who did not have it.

1) you have no more illegal aliens in the US in 2016 than you did in 2008
2) the ACA partially solved the problem that Reagan created (EMTALA). 

your reply shows that you have either no grasp of these facts, or you think i don't.

We've been over this before, the problem is we don't have the numbers. Estimates I've seen range from 12 million to upwards of 50 million. That's a pretty big range.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 25, 2017 10:34:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Feb 24, 2017 11:07:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) you have no more illegal aliens in the US in 2016 than you did in 2008
2) the ACA partially solved the problem that Reagan created (EMTALA). 

your reply shows that you have either no grasp of these facts, or you think i don't.

We've been over this before, the problem is we don't have the numbers. Estimates I've seen range from 12 million to upwards of 50 million. That's a pretty big range.

i have never seen any credible estimate north of 20M.  but again, you are not disputing the facts.

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 23, 2017 9:01:59 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Feb 22, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Guess what Paul, we aren't all libs or bros. Your posts since winning really insult your intelligence, or what what credit I once gave you. 

I don't live and breathe on credit given my like health units in a video game, so I'll be fine.

The left and liberals are in the middle of a meltdown right now that is so spectacular, that I must admit anyone on the left right now has lost a LOT of credit I used to give them. The left is engaged in indefensible conduct right now- from the violent attacks on political opponents funded by the DNC and coordinated with Hillary's campaign to the maligning of opponents as racists, sexists and whatever other "ist" they can think of, to the OFA and the Obama shadow government sabotaging national security to undermine a sitting President. 

It's comforting only to the extent that the Democratic party is a flailing, failing, fringe regional party which is continuing to alienate moderates and independents making a political comeback less likely than an outright collapse of the party- which would be good for America and the world. The trouble is that there's so much house cleaning to do- especially on the courts. And you never know the true extent of the threat they pose this early in Trump's presidency. Are they plotting a military coup? It has been floated along with other seditious plots. I want to be optimistic that this is simply the death throes of a once great party that became a fringe party full of kooks trying to flood the zone with a coalition of disparate grievance groups, including the sexually deviant, pedophiles, illegal aliens, felons, and welfare recipients. But what if they're actually organized-- what if the Muslim brotherhood has sleeper cells in embedded in the military and other sensitive posts? Scary stuff.

But there's also the silly stuff- like the Democratic Party's persistent belief they're not going to get caught astroturfing like they did with the riots-- and now the "raucous Republican town halls" where liberal activists- including some paid protestors- are acting like angry constituents. It's too easy to find out who these people are, and it's too easy to follow the money.

But as for the leftists that defend it- you're all way the hell out on the black ice. There's very little room anymore to allow for ignorance as an explanation. Information is too widely available. now.

Me think u are taking any failings if any out of context...the Donald and his people have been in power just a month..the Dems out of power just the same period....it will take them a while with some ups and downs before they are ready to battle fairly..makes sense to me...believe same thing happened with pubs when roles refersed eight years ago..no real biggie...yet, even though u as usuale are trying to make more out of it then it deserves......why do u do that?

I see a mention of a "military coup" ?? ...what are u smoking...so silly and juvenile IMHO  which really is nothing new...

"and now the "raucous Republican town halls" where liberal activists- including some paid protestors- are acting like angry constituent"

and again and again...if the Donald says it's so...does not mean it is so and that too relates to the Paul...just because one claims something as fact does not mean it is fact and on this one..if u have attended any of these gatherings or just watched the news of them..there are supporters of the Donald who are very upset because as I have said for a long time..there are so many of the Donald supporters who are covered by Obama Care..who are badly in need of the coverage and the $ gov't giving them for the policies and they don't belive pubs have a clue on the repair or replacement or believe what will be in force will cover them....paid demonstrators by proof..doubt paid but a few Dems..sure but most at these meetings are just very p off supporters of the Donald...not trusting their representatives on the health inititive..the meetings are being held in red areas for the most part..majority of attendees are or where supporters of the Donald...they are not happy....no matter what the Donald and the Paul too are trying to peddle.

"that became a fringe party full of kooks trying to flood the zone with a coalition of disparate grievance groups, including the sexually deviant, pedophiles, illegal aliens, felons, and welfare recipients."

To accuse so many of the posters who use this site and don't agree with the Pauls idea of what the truth  is..see above the "bolded" is IMHO as a personal attack  on those who do not believe in what Paul believes in..I take it as a personal attack...not the first time ..though it seems to becoming even more nasty..not needed here...IMHO...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 23, 2017 10:16:10 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Jan 20, 2017 7:11:55 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

That was not a bad article. I'm glad I bothered to hit the link and go to it.

Of course the hyperbole in the comment in the first post is over the top ridiculous, but the article itself is worth a read.

For the Dems, it will indeed be a time of re-assessment and re-birth with new leaders.  Age brings with it a relative understanding of how fast things change.  It seems like almost yesterday that the Clintons were the bold way forward for the party.  A re-birth with Bill Clinton's "Third Way", born of pragmatism and his experiences in Arkansas.  Now they are the old guard.  Bill Clinton can still deliver a stem winder, and is still relevant as a party "elder".  But the times they are a changin'. 

I do think that change was hastened by one other factor, not touched upon in the article.  HRC, God love her, was not a strong enough political candidate.  Of course with 20+ years of bile thrown on her by the opposition she was weighed down, but she is not a natural born politician.  That helped hasten the "change", perhaps.

The real concern though, is buried below the hype at the top.  The grass roots have withered a bit, and the GOP has out maneuvered the Dems in gerrymandering as well.  Ironically though, the election of Donald Trump will help change at least some of that.  Nothing energizes a party like defeat, and watching the other side take the crown.  Right GOP?  The grass roots are now getting some water, with a shot of nitro.

I don't think Hillary, at her core, is a people person.  That isn't a partisian insult, but an honest assessment of what I've seen of her.  And that's because I'm not a people person either.

Everyone that knows the Clintons hates and/or fears them. Everyone. They have NO friends. Did you even read the leaked emails? You could file most of them under "with friends like these...". Have you read (or even heard about) "Crisis of Character"? Do you have any sense of the unhinged maniac Hillary Clinton is known to be?

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 22, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Guess what Paul, we aren't all libs or bros. Your posts since winning really insult your intelligence, or what what credit I once gave you. 

u gave him credit?  w
for what?