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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 22, 2011 15:11:49 GMT -5
Many political experts said the Bush 41 lost to Clinton because of Quayle. And I worked with Dan Quayle at the Johnson Space Center in 1992 and thought he was dumber than dirt.. then a few months later he gave the commencement address at the Naval Academy and it was an insult to our cadets because he bombed big time with his stupid jokes and anecdotes...it was embarrassing to listen to. Quayle said that he often wanted to be a Naval Aviator but decided to take up golf instead and then he started to laugh at this joke while the cadets looked at each other and wondered who is this @@@@@@@.. Probably lost mostly because of Perot taking as large of a percentage of the vote as he did.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 22, 2011 15:13:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure that people really care that much at the VP. I doubt most would have cared so much about Palin in this past election if the media hadn't tried to make such a huge deal in attacking her. I'm not sure you're right there, politically incorrect. At least, you're way off as far as I'm concerned, and as far as most I know are concerned. I look quite closely at Vice Presidential candidates. So you would not vote for the person you thought would be the best President because you thought the other candidate had a better VP nomination?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 18:15:56 GMT -5
I know some people who specifically either voted Dem, or didn't vote, because of Palin. And i think it might be a strategy to run a team, because i'm not sure an indivdiual is going to prove strong enough...
Archie... Obama was largely unknown, but if you were in the Party, you were looking at him since 2004... and he had a ground game that has yet to be rivaled... I don't know any of the current contenders who are even close to his ground game... will have to see going forward.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 22, 2011 18:27:31 GMT -5
Probably lost mostly because of Perot taking as large of a percentage of the vote as he did.
I saw the poll numbers on why Bush #41 lost and I think a lot had to do with his "read my lips comment" and then raised taxes which set some Republicans Hair on Fire but Republican Pundits like Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and Ed Rollins had this same discussion and they all said it was Dan Quayle who cost Bush #41 millions of votes because he was seen as such an albatross and they also said Bush knew this and should have dumped him but he refused both Buchanan and Rollins' advice..
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 22, 2011 21:21:50 GMT -5
Probably lost mostly because of Perot taking as large of a percentage of the vote as he did. I saw the poll numbers on why Bush #41 lost and I think a lot had to do with his "read my lips comment" and then raised taxes which set some Republicans Hair on Fire but Republican Pundits like Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and Ed Rollins had this same discussion and they all said it was Dan Quayle who cost Bush #41 millions of votes because he was seen as such an albatross and they also said Bush knew this and should have dumped him but he refused both Buchanan and Rollins' advice.. If Perot hadn't run, most of those voters would likely have voted for Bush as well. Which would have changed a lot of things. As far as the "read my lips" comment, I want to say there was a poster on here who said he raised taxes after a compromise with Dems, who then used it to roast him during the election. Of course, I doubt that was the first time either party had used something along the same lines against a President, even if he was compromising with them when he did it.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 22, 2011 21:23:26 GMT -5
I know some people who specifically either voted Dem, or didn't vote, because of Palin. And i think it might be a strategy to run a team, because i'm not sure an indivdiual is going to prove strong enough... I know people who said that or something along the lines of they didn't feel comfortable with somebody, who had so little experience being "one heartbeat away from the presidency." Of course when you asked about Obama's experience, they just kind of avoided an answer. I think it was a convenient excuse, I doubt it was the real one.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Mar 24, 2011 1:23:36 GMT -5
How about Cheney? He's obviously the best Republican canidate since he already ran the country for eight years.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 24, 2011 7:23:37 GMT -5
I know some people who specifically either voted Dem, or didn't vote, because of Palin. And i think it might be a strategy to run a team, because i'm not sure an indivdiual is going to prove strong enough... Archie... Obama was largely unknown, but if you were in the Party, you were looking at him since 2004... and he had a ground game that has yet to be rivaled... I don't know any of the current contenders who are even close to his ground game... will have to see going forward. So if you are in the party you get automatic insight to future candidates? People outside the part would never know about them? lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 15:09:14 GMT -5
I don't know... do you routinesly watch the Democratic National Conventions and track the speakers? ... I was specifically answering the idea that he was 'largely unknown' ... are you saying that lots of people outside the party knew about him at that time... then i guess you are also refuting the idea that he was largely unknown...
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Post by Shirina on Mar 26, 2011 5:50:47 GMT -5
I would vote for Palin before I voted for that loon.
Has anyone here looked into Buddy Roemer?
I only did a cursory "look up" on him a few days ago, so I can't say much at this time - other than having a president named "Buddy" would take some getting used to.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 26, 2011 6:22:03 GMT -5
Re: So, who is a viable republican 2012 pres candidateGood question and after doing considerable and diligent research into this subject I have come up to the following conclusions: 1. The Republicans Do NOT have a presidential candidate who attracts enough interest yet. 2. If Palin, Bachman, Gingrich, Romney,Trump Huckabee is the best they have then you can kiss your hopes of beating Obama goodbye. 3. Just thinking about any of those mentioned in #2 above made me sick to my stomach. 4. And as Peggy Lee's wrote in her 60s popular hit tone "is that all there is?"
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 28, 2011 7:27:41 GMT -5
Re: So, who is a viable republican 2012 pres candidateGood question and after doing considerable and diligent research into this subject I have come up to the following conclusions: 1. The Republicans Do NOT have a presidential candidate who attracts enough interest yet. 2. If Palin, Bachman, Gingrich, Romney,Trump Huckabee is the best they have then you can kiss your hopes of beating Obama goodbye. 3. Just thinking about any of those mentioned in #2 above made me sick to my stomach. 4. And as Peggy Lee's wrote in her 60s popular hit tone "is that all there is?" It's always kind of hard to figure out who will be the nominee this early. Most of the time, it seems like being the front runner this early is a bad thing because everybody seems to unload on you and looking up mud to sling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2011 8:48:28 GMT -5
I saw this statement this morning, didn't care much for the rest of the piece per say, but this sentence articulated what i have been thinking, but not quite putting into words:
The tea party effect: no Republican who can win the general election in 2012 can be nominated.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 29, 2011 9:01:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure you're right there, politically incorrect. At least, you're way off as far as I'm concerned, and as far as most I know are concerned. I look quite closely at Vice Presidential candidates. So you would not vote for the person you thought would be the best President because you thought the other candidate had a better VP nomination? How, exactly, did you manage to make that leap? Did I say that? No, I did not. I said I DO look at the Vice Presidential candidate. Nowhere did I say I used that as the sole criteria for my vote!
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Post by Angel! on Mar 29, 2011 11:56:51 GMT -5
I would vote for Palin before I voted for that loon. Blech on both counts. I don't think either has a shot at winning though. They might get the nomination, but they will completely alienate moderate & independent voters & have no hopes of winning the election. Right now I really don't think the republicans have anyone that could both win the nomination & win the election.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 29, 2011 16:44:14 GMT -5
A good question Oped.
I don’t think the lack of a strong republican candidate will matter much. The general election is going to be all about Obama and how he’s done in the previous 4 years. You also have to remember no one had any idea who Obama was two years out from the election. Obama himself has shown that name recognition doesn't matter much. And also that he’s the most radical president in American history but was still able to fool almost everyone into thinking he was a moderate. Why couldn't a no-name radical right winger convince the public he's moderate and become president? It's happened before....
It’s all going to come down to “do you want more Obama or something else.” Given that the dems lost big in 2010, the answer is that people don't want more Obama. But a lot can happen between now and 2012.
I do think the Republicans can shoot themselves in the foot if they nominate someone who starts harping really hard on abortion and gay marriage though. Or if they nominate Palin who would get creamed by Obama.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 29, 2011 17:47:32 GMT -5
All I'm seeing from the right are radical rightists that are being as far-right as the rightists believed Obama was to the left. Obama's election caused the right to lose all sense of perspective, and now they don't have anyone capable of winning in 2012.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 29, 2011 17:49:38 GMT -5
All I'm seeing from the right are radical rightists that are being as far-right as the rightists believed Obama was to the left. Right!
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 30, 2011 9:12:06 GMT -5
So you would not vote for the person you thought would be the best President because you thought the other candidate had a better VP nomination? How, exactly, did you manage to make that leap? Did I say that? No, I did not. I said I DO look at the Vice Presidential candidate. Nowhere did I say I used that as the sole criteria for my vote! So you are saying that it really isn't that big of a deal....
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 30, 2011 10:45:31 GMT -5
How, exactly, did you manage to make that leap? Did I say that? No, I did not. I said I DO look at the Vice Presidential candidate. Nowhere did I say I used that as the sole criteria for my vote! So you are saying that it really isn't that big of a deal.... P_I12 - I tend to believe voters do care who the vice presidential candidate is. I believe the political parties do too. If no one thought the VP candidate was important then the vice presidential candidate and his/her family would not be trotted out during the presidential nominating conventions. If the vice presidential candidate was not really that important then I would think the newly elected president would not name his VP choice until after his inauguration ceremony. The vice president would simply be named along with other cabinet members and confirmed by the senate. On election day, we are voting for whom will be the next president but the reality is we are voting for the whole package-that being the president and vice president.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 30, 2011 11:16:31 GMT -5
Re: So, who is a viable republican 2012 pres candidateAnswer there is NO "viable" republcian 2012 presidential candidate yet and you should be wondering "Will there be one"....IMHO... Otherwise you will have another four years of Obama in the White House through 2016...God Help Us All is all that I can say...or say goodbye to life as we once knew it in the USA...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 30, 2011 11:19:34 GMT -5
Re: So, who is a viable republican 2012 pres candi « Reply #57 Today at 8:45 » P.I.-click on the quote button then type your message below. One easy step.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 30, 2011 11:20:35 GMT -5
P.I.-click on the quote button then type your message below. One easy step.[/quote][/color] Thanx Tennesseer/Moderator..
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Post by Waffle on Mar 30, 2011 15:39:47 GMT -5
So, who is a viable republican 2012 pres candidate
Hayley Barbour? John Bolton? Herman Cain?
I'm not suggesting that they are or aren't - I just threw their names out there, because I saw that they were among Rep. presidential hopefuls at an Iowa conference.
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