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Post by finnime on Dec 23, 2016 17:14:38 GMT -5
My experience concurs with yours, swasat. And this is not to say that biology, chemistry or statistics are other than very important fields, or that anyone compelled towards them should not consider them. But: girls are not pursuing computer science / software engineering, unlike other higher education fields. And that's a real shame. It does pay very well, offers great flexibility in terms of geography and hours, and is in high demand still. I started over 30 years ago and the field has only grown. Why do men see this but not women? I think many girls would benefit from seriously considering this in addition to the other sciences, math and engineering. Lots of benefits.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 23, 2016 17:15:21 GMT -5
I think it's a disservice to our daughters as well as our sons to not be plain about the career they "like" might not be a good fit or one that will support them. It's nice if you like your job but it's imperative that it supports you. You can like your hobbies but you need enough money to be able to enjoy them in your spare time.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 23, 2016 17:22:13 GMT -5
I do think that calculator and crocheting fancy doilies set me up for being open to taking that a math class in HS that required the use of "coding" and the school computer and then on to an actual programming class - this was in the late 70's early 80's.... It was frightfully easy... as compared to the Econ class and the Accounting 101 class I also took which were hard and weird and confusing.
See, I think this is really funny. I can't stand knitting/crocheting from a pattern. I'm like write.it.out. I also found Econ and Accounting classes to be interesting, and enjoyable. (As an aside, one of my econ profs on campus had a kid who played viola that I worked with a year or two beforehand..Always a nice way to start a class by saying "Do you remember me? I taught your kid chamber music...and having other students look at you like brown-noser.) I'm glad I wasn't pushed into a particular thing. It took me a long time to find my path, but it's not what anyone would have guessed I would have been "good at." And, my field wasn't all that popular 20 years ago.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 23, 2016 17:25:14 GMT -5
A) your kid has to like it to some degree B) they have to be good at it
If one or both of these items are absent, forget it.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 23, 2016 17:28:56 GMT -5
Rutgers has a coding boot camp program that can apparently have you coding in all these languages in 6 months. It costs like $10k I think. I was really tempted but I don't know if I am as meticulous as I'd need to be to be a good coder. I make stupid reading/math mistakes from time to time - one stupid little mistake can have you searching through hundreds of lines of code to find where you went wrong.
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Post by swasat on Dec 23, 2016 20:27:17 GMT -5
Rutgers has a coding boot camp program that can apparently have you coding in all these languages in 6 months. It costs like $10k I think. I was really tempted but I don't know if I am as meticulous as I'd need to be to be a good coder. I make stupid reading/math mistakes from time to time - one stupid little mistake can have you searching through hundreds of lines of code to find where you went wrong. Actually that's not how coding and debugging works Well, to a certain extent maybe but not exactly. There are debuggers available that help you figure out problematic code very quickly. Most servers and modern development environments have built in profilers that tell you exactly which area the issues are in. There are a variety of professional tools available that help programmers test their own code. There are frameworks and methodologies that help programmers make lower number of mistakes as it is. Programming is not a brute force activity. It's a science of writing software. It's not hard but it needs focus and attention, and the will to go past your own mistakes. Women tend to think that it's hard, that they need to be hyper focused to do it, that making mistakes in programming is a BIG NO. Nothing is far from the truth. In fact software development IS the place where fixing of mistakes is a part of the game. Because QA is such a part of software development lifecycle.
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Post by travelnut11 on Dec 23, 2016 21:55:10 GMT -5
As a female programmer, there are some interesting assertions in this thread. Ruhk's sexual harassment theory is especially bizarre. Admittedly I work in a niche programming area (SAS) but we are easily 50/50 men and women. Both of my managers are women and 2 out of 3 lead programmers on my team are women. We're all remote workers so social opportunities are minimal but I don't feel any of us are especially socially stunted. Nor do we work weird hours.
Interestingly I never took a computer science class in college and came to programming from a social science background. You all are right that programming has an image issue...it would've never really occurred to me to be a programmer as it sounded too boring but actually I love it. I sort of fell into it I guess and do wonder what would have happened with my career if I'd realized my aptitude for it sooner and actually gotten a degree from the comp sci. department. I'm happy with the way things turned out but it does beg the question of how I could've figured this out sooner and how other girls who have an aptitude for coding could figure it out too. Hopefully all of these new courses and whatnot will help but as people have noted if you don't enjoy it or have an aptitude for it it would be a waste to push people someone into programming.
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Post by tskeeter on Dec 23, 2016 23:56:50 GMT -5
while I would not discourage a natural interest, I would not either try to encourage it where none existed given the increased incident of sexual harassment in this field. I applaud any who feel up to weathering this and changing it from the inside, but I wouldn't push on my daughter without a strong interest on her part. I don't know that sexual harassment is a bigger issue in computer programming than in any other white collar field. I spent over 30 years working with a number of very talented female programmers and IT types. In my experience, IT was one of the areas that was pretty receptive to women. All that mattered was how capable you were. We had women in IT who were known throughout the company for their skill and ability. People didn't know their faces, but they knew their names. And when tough IT problems came up, folks would ask for the women to be involved in figuring out the solution before they would ask for one of the guys.
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Post by yogiii on Dec 24, 2016 11:05:40 GMT -5
Ruhk's sexual harassment theory is especially bizarre. Yes, I don't understand that one.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 24, 2016 11:19:06 GMT -5
I think that she may be thinking about the gaming crowd? I vaguely recall some stories.
Anyway, I took classes in Jr/sr high school, and those turned me off to comp. Sci. I was one of only a handful of girls in the class, but the classes themselves were either useless or boring as hell. I imagine it's different now. I know the computers and programming languages are way better. I hope the teachers are better, though it very well just may have been me.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 24, 2016 11:57:54 GMT -5
As a female programmer, there are some interesting assertions in this thread. Ruhk's sexual harassment theory is especially bizarre. Admittedly I work in a niche programming area (SAS) but we are easily 50/50 men and women. Both of my managers are women and 2 out of 3 lead programmers on my team are women. We're all remote workers so social opportunities are minimal but I don't feel any of us are especially socially stunted. Nor do we work weird hours. Interestingly I never took a computer science class in college and came to programming from a social science background. You all are right that programming has an image issue...it would've never really occurred to me to be a programmer as it sounded too boring but actually I love it. I sort of fell into it I guess and do wonder what would have happened with my career if I'd realized my aptitude for it sooner and actually gotten a degree from the comp sci. department. I'm happy with the way things turned out but it does beg the question of how I could've figured this out sooner and how other girls who have an aptitude for coding could figure it out too. Hopefully all of these new courses and whatnot will help but as people have noted if you don't enjoy it or have an aptitude for it it would be a waste to push people someone into programming. I think the message of this thread is not "girls need to get pushed into coding because that's the way to get them into CS jobs", but rather that ALL kids should be exposed to things like coding in a fun way, to open their eyes to fields they may never contemplate otherwise. I know that my kids struggled with choosing what to study in college, because most kids really don't know all the employment options out there. Little kids, when asked what they want to be when they grow up, always answer with some job that has high visibility: policemen, doctor, football player, musician, teacher. They can understand those fields. They don't know what most office type employees do. How many of us have had a convoluted path to our field? DD1 studied Optics, graduated with an engineering degree, and joined the Navy to pursue Cryptology, learning Chinese. DS2 was interested in becoming a luthier (making violins), but started in engineering, quickly switched to the Arts, studied woodworking and furniture design. He's now working for a firm that specializes in pipe organs, neatly tying together his woodworking training and his music background. They both love where they are, but would not have ever thought to pursue them directly.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 24, 2016 13:29:47 GMT -5
I try to make a distinction between using computers as a tool to create vs. a method of passive consumption. By teaching your daughters how computers work I think you can avoid a lot of the addiction issues. Is there something like DonorsChoose for libraries? Lots of classrooms around here ask for donations to buy HP chromebooks, which are pretty cheap (<$200) and can do what you are asking. Sounds similar to TechSoup, which we are using to get donated cheap SW and HW. We plan to start with a tablet to use for many things (and to assess if/how well it will work). Unfortunately, Scratch needs Flash, so won't work on tablets (Scratch Jr works on tablets, as I understand it, but is for preschoolers). I haven't seen Chromebooks on TS. A class set of laptops is out of budget range. Space and time are our biggest issues (and money, of course). We don't have room for more PCs, or we would have expanded. Time to work on getting grants is scarce. We have a small staff, in a rural village library, with a state tax cap on raising our budget. We wear a lot of hats simultaneously at work, but we do keep looking for new possibilities, so thanks!
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 24, 2016 13:48:00 GMT -5
There are tons of grants for those programs. Can you partner with the YMCA, Boys & Girls Club, local school districts, etc.? Meant to respond to this earlier and got sidetracked looking into it. We're a small rural library, far from any Y or Boys & Girls Clubs - they'd be much more likely to partner up with the libraries closer to them. So great idea for the city library literally next door to the Y, just logistically problematic for us due to distance. We are trying to forge a closer relationship with the school district, especially since the MS/HS campus is only a few blocks away - the kids walk over after school, including my son and his buddies. We've got a good relationship building with the MS/HS librarian, bulk loans and trying for joint programs and outreach. As they already have the Scratch club now, it would be duplicative to try to wrangle permission to use their labs for our own. Summertime we'd have no access to their labs. Grants are something we'd like to pursue, but there are other things we are eyeballing them for, like a digitization of historical newspapers we have.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 24, 2016 14:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 24, 2016 14:41:10 GMT -5
As a female programmer, there are some interesting assertions in this thread. Ruhk's sexual harassment theory is especially bizarre. Admittedly I work in a niche programming area (SAS) but we are easily 50/50 men and women. Both of my managers are women and 2 out of 3 lead programmers on my team are women. We're all remote workers so social opportunities are minimal but I don't feel any of us are especially socially stunted. Nor do we work weird hours. Interestingly I never took a computer science class in college and came to programming from a social science background. You all are right that programming has an image issue...it would've never really occurred to me to be a programmer as it sounded too boring but actually I love it. I sort of fell into it I guess and do wonder what would have happened with my career if I'd realized my aptitude for it sooner and actually gotten a degree from the comp sci. department. I'm happy with the way things turned out but it does beg the question of how I could've figured this out sooner and how other girls who have an aptitude for coding could figure it out too. Hopefully all of these new courses and whatnot will help but as people have noted if you don't enjoy it or have an aptitude for it it would be a waste to push people someone into programming. I do a lot of statistical/data management programming in SAS, spss, and a lot of other programs. But - I don't consider that to be a "programmer" or having a career as programmer. This is one of many stories to which I'm referring: www.marieclaire.com/career-advice/tips/a7664/geeks-attack/
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 24, 2016 14:51:21 GMT -5
while I would not discourage a natural interest, I would not either try to encourage it where none existed given the increased incident of sexual harassment in this field. I applaud any who feel up to weathering this and changing it from the inside, but I wouldn't push on my daughter without a strong interest on her part. I don't know that sexual harassment is a bigger issue in computer programming than in any other white collar field. I spent over 30 years working with a number of very talented female programmers and IT types. In my experience, IT was one of the areas that was pretty receptive to women. All that mattered was how capable you were. We had women in IT who were known throughout the company for their skill and ability. People didn't know their faces, but they knew their names. And when tough IT problems came up, folks would ask for the women to be involved in figuring out the solution before they would ask for one of the guys. this is in regards to tech in general: www.computerworld.com/article/2551969/it-careers/why-women-quit-technology.html
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Post by travelnut11 on Dec 25, 2016 21:22:48 GMT -5
As a female programmer, there are some interesting assertions in this thread. Ruhk's sexual harassment theory is especially bizarre. Admittedly I work in a niche programming area (SAS) but we are easily 50/50 men and women. Both of my managers are women and 2 out of 3 lead programmers on my team are women. We're all remote workers so social opportunities are minimal but I don't feel any of us are especially socially stunted. Nor do we work weird hours. Interestingly I never took a computer science class in college and came to programming from a social science background. You all are right that programming has an image issue...it would've never really occurred to me to be a programmer as it sounded too boring but actually I love it. I sort of fell into it I guess and do wonder what would have happened with my career if I'd realized my aptitude for it sooner and actually gotten a degree from the comp sci. department. I'm happy with the way things turned out but it does beg the question of how I could've figured this out sooner and how other girls who have an aptitude for coding could figure it out too. Hopefully all of these new courses and whatnot will help but as people have noted if you don't enjoy it or have an aptitude for it it would be a waste to push people someone into programming. I do a lot of statistical/data management programming in SAS, spss, and a lot of other programs. But - I don't consider that to be a "programmer" or having a career as programmer. So you don't consider yourself a programmer or you don't think I'm a programmer because I work in SAS? I'm pretty sure I'm a programmer as my title is, in fact, Principal Statistical Programmer and I write code all day. But whatever. Obviously I can't speak for every female programmer on the planet and am not in the habit of disputing sexual assault victims but I can say this has not been my experience at all and I'm a regular at the industry conferences. I can't imagine dissuading a girl interested in coding from the job because she *might* get sexually harassed.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 25, 2016 21:28:57 GMT -5
I do a lot of statistical/data management programming in SAS, spss, and a lot of other programs. But - I don't consider that to be a "programmer" or having a career as programmer. So you don't consider yourself a programmer or you don't think I'm a programmer because I work in SAS? I'm pretty sure I'm a programmer as my title is, in fact, Principal Statistical Programmer and I write code all day. But whatever. Obviously I can't speak for every female programmer on the planet and am not in the habit of disputing sexual assault victims but I can say this has not been my experience at all and I'm a regular at the industry conferences. I can't imagine dissuading a girl interested in coding from the job because she *might* get sexually harassed.and that is a complete 180 of what I actually said - which - apropos to the OP - that I wasn't going to push it on someone who showed no interest or inclination.
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Post by alabamagal on Dec 26, 2016 17:51:22 GMT -5
First finnime, congrats on your son's graduation and a good start at his career! As a female engineer, the subject is near and dear to my heart. I went to a top level engineering school in the early 80s. The school was 20% female. Now it is up to 35%. I really don't think it will ever get to 50%, and that is fine. I have worked with many female engineers over the years. Maybe I am being sexist, but I think that female engineers are better employees than males, they are usually much better at communication. But a lot of them do not stay in engineering, they move on to other related careers. I am currently working on a project with an engineering design firm and it is over 90% male. I recently went to a training class in my company for engineers, of the 50 people there only 4 were female. At least at break time the bathroom line was shorter for us! I work for a German company, and it seems to be even more male dominated. But in all that, I have never had any major issues with people treating my badly or lack of respect or limited career opportunities. To be in a technology field, you have to have the ability in that field. If you would rather take calculus in college than english, that is a start. If your math SAT score is more than 100 points higher than your English, technology is a good choice. Your brain has to be wired to be a programmer or an engineer in order for you to be good at it. In a creative writing or poetry class, I think I would have died! I am not a big fan of the Coding classes for young kids, a lot of it is really just too early and it might turn off kids. It is almost like parents are trying to determine what their kids will do. Kids learn in all kinds of activities. My DS learned statistics by calculating his batting average in baseball. My other DS self taught himself piano - music is very related to math, and he is a math geek. My DD loves crocheting and knitting. My kids had zero chance at becoming a professional baseball player, musician, or knitter. Plus the best way to get a teenager to do something is to tell them to do the opposite
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Post by formerroomate99 on Dec 26, 2016 19:15:57 GMT -5
Rutgers has a coding boot camp program that can apparently have you coding in all these languages in 6 months. It costs like $10k I think. I was really tempted but I don't know if I am as meticulous as I'd need to be to be a good coder. I make stupid reading/math mistakes from time to time - one stupid little mistake can have you searching through hundreds of lines of code to find where you went wrong. People with a background in philosophy tend to do really well in computer science. Once you've learned all the syntax of whatever program you're using , it all boils down to logic and problem-solving. And being able to communicate with non-technical users will give you a huge edge in that field.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Dec 26, 2016 19:24:38 GMT -5
I've been working in report development and moving data around for the past 20 years. I've never been harassed. And for most of my career I've had regular work hours except for the odd emergency here and there. The only time I haven't had flex time was when I was working at dysfunctional companies and being managed by assholes. And since most of my coworkers were physically incapable of getting pregnant, I've been given a lot of perks when I was popping out kids.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 27, 2016 9:16:18 GMT -5
Rutgers has a coding boot camp program that can apparently have you coding in all these languages in 6 months. It costs like $10k I think. I was really tempted but I don't know if I am as meticulous as I'd need to be to be a good coder. I make stupid reading/math mistakes from time to time - one stupid little mistake can have you searching through hundreds of lines of code to find where you went wrong. People with a background in philosophy tend to do really well in computer science. Once you've learned all the syntax of whatever program you're using , it all boils down to logic and problem-solving. And being able to communicate with non-technical users will give you a huge edge in that field. My liberal arts college required at least 3 philosophy courses of everyone. For CSC majors, Logic was a gimme class, and we all chose to take it together. By that point Boolean Algebra was second nature. We'd boil it down to T, F, AND, OR, XOR, NOT, and boom had an answer, while the rest of the class was thinking about what phrases meant in English.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 27, 2016 10:52:14 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of the Coding classes for young kids, a lot of it is really just too early and it might turn off kids. It is almost like parents are trying to determine what their kids will do. Kids learn in all kinds of activities. My DS learned statistics by calculating his batting average in baseball. My other DS self taught himself piano - music is very related to math, and he is a math geek. My DD loves crocheting and knitting. My kids had zero chance at becoming a professional baseball player, musician, or knitter. Plus the best way to get a teenager to do something is to tell them to do the opposite I guess it depends on which coding classes we are talking about. If they are very narrow, focused, I-will-teach-you-to-code, then yeah, I think it's a bit much for young ones. Many seem much more fun and emphasize the game side. I think that may be a good intro to the broader concepts of logic and structure. I tend to always be on the lookout for what engages kids. Kids are natural learners, but they've developed an aversion to "Learning", if you KWIM. Find their love (or the latest cool game) and they'll happily pursue it in depth. They're also pack animals, for good or bad. A few can influence the others to jump on the latest trend, or drop the uncool old favorite. So I try to capitalize on anything in favor NOW, and switch when they do. DS4 got into robotics a few years ago in HS, and DS5 was suitably impressed. He was going to invent robots that did all sorts of impossible things. We'd ask him how he'd build these robots - "oh, you know, ... (lots of hand waving)". Great ideas, no idea of underlying concepts. However, he loves Legos, and Minecraft, and Roblox. DD1 got him a robotic dinosaur kit for Xmas. Super cool, he's thrilled, but he hadn't opened it yet. He was intimidated by the amount of parts (say what - piles of Legos are like treasure). He was getting frustrated when some online game wasn't working right, or too slow, or whatever, so we pointed out that he hadn't touched the robot yet. He opened it, and was again getting frustrated at the first connection - "There's no room to use the wrench to put the nut on!!!" I took a look and suggested he approach it the other way - use the screwdriver to drive the screw into the nut placed in the back. I haven't heard from him since - he's happily putting the thing together, figuring it out himself, trying things, making mistakes, fixing them. Sometimes kids just need a little nudge to try something new.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 27, 2016 11:19:19 GMT -5
Also, some of the best "lessons" from these types of classes/programs are not the obvious topic. They can be manipulative, social, collaborative, inspirational, aspirational.
When I did preschool story hour, I had craft time. Many were chosen for the fine motor skill practice like cutting. Also for recognition of colors, shapes, etc. But I also encouraged creativity and experimentation, not just imitation. Drove me crazy when mothers would criticize the child's effort and fix it for them!
I think kids need the freedom to experiment and make mistakes. Traditional school lately just encourages getting the right answer, in the right way. I want kids to feel free to explore, make "mistakes" in a safe arena, see if they can capitalize on them, or learn from them. In a group they can learn from each other, and learn to work together collaboratively, and get inspired by other's creations.
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Post by alabamagal on Dec 27, 2016 12:19:37 GMT -5
Also, some of the best "lessons" from these types of classes/programs are not the obvious topic. They can be manipulative, social, collaborative, inspirational, aspirational. When I did preschool story hour, I had craft time. Many were chosen for the fine motor skill practice like cutting. Also for recognition of colors, shapes, etc. But I also encouraged creativity and experimentation, not just imitation. Drove me crazy when mothers would criticize the child's effort and fix it for them! I think kids need the freedom to experiment and make mistakes. Traditional school lately just encourages getting the right answer, in the right way. I want kids to feel free to explore, make "mistakes" in a safe arena, see if they can capitalize on them, or learn from them. In a group they can learn from each other, and learn to work together collaboratively, and get inspired by other's creations. I agree that the lessons are not always about the topics that are taught, and I am all for letting children pursue their interests. I just don't like the "let's send girls to coding classes so we will get more female programmers" mentality. I learned more about how things work while my dad was working on boat and car engines when I was growing up. My dad was old school, so it was always my brothers who had to help him, but my dad was good at explaining things so I learned a lot just by observing. My sister-in-law drives me nuts with some of her ideas. Since my nephew was in Kindergarden she has said that he will pursue an STEM career. What if he wants to be an artist? My nephew is now in 4th grade, and the funny thing is that he is almost an exact duplicate of my middle son, who is a math geek and has been working for 2 years as an actuary, so it is pretty likely that my nephew is heading to STEM anyway. And my niece is 5, so she will probably get the same emphasis....
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Post by tskeeter on Dec 27, 2016 14:28:06 GMT -5
I don't know that sexual harassment is a bigger issue in computer programming than in any other white collar field. I spent over 30 years working with a number of very talented female programmers and IT types. In my experience, IT was one of the areas that was pretty receptive to women. All that mattered was how capable you were. We had women in IT who were known throughout the company for their skill and ability. People didn't know their faces, but they knew their names. And when tough IT problems came up, folks would ask for the women to be involved in figuring out the solution before they would ask for one of the guys. this is in regards to tech in general: www.computerworld.com/article/2551969/it-careers/why-women-quit-technology.htmlRukh, I think the article you cite is a little superficial. It cites lots of statistics. But, it does no comparisons to women's career paths outside of technology. How do those statistics compare to financial services, medicine, manufacturing, construction, or transportation? With information from the article, readers have no way of understanding if women leave technology at a different rate than women leave other careers. At least one of the issues causing women to leave technology, that is the lack of work/life balance, is not a gender issue. It's a work/life balance issue. I'm sure that this issue causes men to leave the field, too. If women leave at higher rates than men over work/life balance, the issue is that women make different choices than men when they are faced with the same situation. To imply that poor work/life balance only affects women is inaccurate.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 27, 2016 14:41:36 GMT -5
Rukh, I think the article you cite is a little superficial. It cites lots of statistics. But, it does no comparisons to women's career paths outside of technology. How do those statistics compare to financial services, medicine, manufacturing, construction, or transportation? With information from the article, readers have no way of understanding if women leave technology at a different rate than women leave other careers. At least one of the issues causing women to leave technology, that is the lack of work/life balance, is not a gender issue. It's a work/life balance issue. I'm sure that this issue causes men to leave the field, too. If women leave at higher rates than men over work/life balance, the issue is that women make different choices than men when they are faced with the same situation. To imply that poor work/life balance only affects women is inaccurate. excellent point, but I'm not seeing anything that compares fields. I've seen a lot of articles on the issue in these fields, hence my original comment.
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tskeeter
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Post by tskeeter on Dec 27, 2016 14:53:16 GMT -5
Rukh, I think the article you cite is a little superficial. It cites lots of statistics. But, it does no comparisons to women's career paths outside of technology. How do those statistics compare to financial services, medicine, manufacturing, construction, or transportation? With information from the article, readers have no way of understanding if women leave technology at a different rate than women leave other careers. At least one of the issues causing women to leave technology, that is the lack of work/life balance, is not a gender issue. It's a work/life balance issue. I'm sure that this issue causes men to leave the field, too. If women leave at higher rates than men over work/life balance, the issue is that women make different choices than men when they are faced with the same situation. To imply that poor work/life balance only affects women is inaccurate. excellent point, but I'm not seeing anything that compares fields. I've seen a lot of articles on the issue in these fields, hence my original comment. I think the article is a better general commentary on why women leave technology than it is an analysis of gender bias and sexual harassment in technology. By the way, I've been made to feel uncomfortable when female coworkers have made off color comments, or told off color jokes in a group that was mostly female. So, it seems that being a victim of sexual harassment is not strictly an issue that only women deal with.
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Post by Bob Ross on Dec 27, 2016 16:31:30 GMT -5
Women leave tech careers to have babies, sit on the couch and watch The View, eat bon-bons, and saddle their husbands with all of the financial responsibility. This data comes from a comprehensive survey conducted by The Ross Institute and is 100% accurate, 100% of the time.
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