Merry Christmas America, with love, from ISIS

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2016 23:10:13 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Dec 22, 2016 22:59:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Does not have to.
Islam allows it to exist within it's regular patrons.

If you want to, think of it like the Catholic church and it's child predator Priests that they protect.
Catholic haters here have no problem accusing the church of hiding and protecting them.
Islam does the same thing with their extremists.

and yet mainstream Christians of both Catholicism and other denominations haven't risen up by the thousands to denounce those priests, either.

or was I mistaken about your expectations of the average non-radicalized Muslim to do the same? 

Hey now...don't go bringing us Protestants into the ducked up catholic priest scandals!

And I disagree. I know plenty of people who left the Catholic Church because of the scandals.

I do find it funny that the liberals on here support the muslims while bashing Christians (not you specifically). Shouldn't all religions get bashed? Or do the liberals who make fun of Christian's for believing in a non-existent being actually believe Allah exists?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 22, 2016 22:02:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes from the religion of peace, goodwill, and harmony...


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/isil-issues-hit-list-of-us-churches-for-holiday-attacks/ar-BBxsvf5?li=BBnb7Kz

ISIS has little to do with Islam, despite their protestations.

Merry Christmas to you, VB, from me and my Muslim brothers. 

[Value Buy]

Dec 23, 2016 11:34:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 22, 2016 22:02:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes from the religion of peace, goodwill, and harmony...


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/isil-issues-hit-list-of-us-churches-for-holiday-attacks/ar-BBxsvf5?li=BBnb7Kz

ISIS has little to do with Islam, despite their protestations.

Merry Christmas to you, VB, from me and my Muslim brothers. 

Merry Christmas to you and your family as well as Hanukkah!
I would wish a Merry Christmas to our Muslim brothers too, but not sure if it is politically correct.
Yes they are my brothers, all God's creation are my brothers.
Let me know, and I will correct this message if that is ok!

[djAdvocate]

Dec 23, 2016 16:00:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 23, 2016 11:34:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

ISIS has little to do with Islam, despite their protestations.

Merry Christmas to you, VB, from me and my Muslim brothers. 

Merry Christmas to you and your family as well as Hanukkah!
I would wish a Merry Christmas to our Muslim brothers too, but not sure if it is politically correct.
Yes they are my brothers, all God's creation are my brothers.
Let me know, and I will correct this message if that is ok!

PC has to do with respecting people.  i see nothing disrespectful about wishing people a Merry Christmas.  particularly Muslims, who acknowledge that Jesus was a prophet.

it is not particularly PC among Jews, however. 

[Opti]

Dec 22, 2016 22:59:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 22, 2016 22:25:00 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

ISIS does not represent the vast majority of Muslims.

Does not have to.
Islam allows it to exist within it's regular patrons.

If you want to, think of it like the Catholic church and it's child predator Priests that they protect.
Catholic haters here have no problem accusing the church of hiding and protecting them.
Islam does the same thing with their extremists.

Its very different, and I'll tell you why. Catholicism decided to have a head of the entire religion called the Pope. He is the head for life although he can step down. This is not true of Islam or actually most Christian denominations. Lutherans for example come in several denominations and they really don't have a titular head. At best they elect a President and board for that denomination for a term and the structure is much looser than Catholicism.

And, the priests were actual employees of the Catholic Religion who did ultimately report to the Pope. But even with that, regular Catholics had no power or control to drive out the bad priests. It took years of pressure with the help of the media before the church hierarchy stopped moving priests to different parishes and ignore the problem. You are asking the Muslims to do something regular Catholics did not even accomplish with a much simpler problem. Bad priests.

And there's the fact that most Muslims are not even associated with same sect and movement that ISIL is part of. Islam is not a person, it does not have a head like the Pope. At best you might have Imam's heading various sects and movements, but I don't even know if that's true. Nor do I think its really important as the head of ISIL is not under an uber Imam Sunni or Shi'ite. I doubt Sufis are protecting crazed ISIL members or even Bahai’s.

www.dummies.com/religion/islam/muslims-adhere-to-different-islamic-sects/

[Opti]

Dec 23, 2016 9:31:23 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:10:13 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

and yet mainstream Christians of both Catholicism and other denominations haven't risen up by the thousands to denounce those priests, either.

or was I mistaken about your expectations of the average non-radicalized Muslim to do the same? 

Hey now...don't go bringing us Protestants into the ducked up catholic priest scandals!

And I disagree. I know plenty of people who left the Catholic Church because of the scandals.

I do find it funny that the liberals on here support the muslims while bashing Christians (not you specifically). Shouldn't all religions get bashed? Or do the liberals who make fun of Christian's for believing in a non-existent being actually believe Allah exists?

Leaving the church is different than fixing the problem. Like Chiver I am amazed at what some people appear to want from Muslims in general, simply to foist the issue off on them because they happen to be Muslim.

I don't support all Muslims anymore than I support all Christians. I was brought up Lutheran and my views are not everyone's. Liberal posters here are not a unified mass. Some don't believe in God and some do. And of those of us who do, our beliefs vary a lot. But you made a decent point, and may not have noticed how appropriate it is. Just because Protestants are Christian does not mean they have any influence or desire to when it comes to Catholics and Catholicism. I am shocked and dismayed that some folks do not see the correlation to Islam and most Muslims, who aren't part of ISIL or sympathetic groups like Boko Haram(sp?).

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2016 23:51:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:26:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

so for the record, am I a Catholic hater since I no longer practice the religion and am critical of how they handled the pedophile priests? or am I granted a reprieve since I'm "confirmed" for whatever that means? 

I still don't see the line between what you have posted about expecting the average non-radicalized Muslim to do regarding their fellow Muslims and what I should have done during the priest abuse scandal. I'm so conflicted now......wondering what you think of me, and whether you might report me to Homeland Security! 

Hope I can answer correctly....
I, and I assume most people expected the Catholic church leaders to fix the problem of child abuse and not protect the Priests and hide the problem.
Is it not time to expect Inmans to do the same within their religion?
What I think of you is rather irrelevant, but I will tell you.
I think you are a very intelligent person who brings a lot of good spirit and thoughtfulness to the boards. Do I agree with you much of the time?  Probably not. So what? I am sure you feel you do not agree with me much of the time either. Not a big deal.......
Did I refer to you as a Catholic hater? If I did, I did not remember doing it.
On a post I did say "disliker" but I do not think that was in reference to anyone in particular and "disliker" was a term used because I could not think of a better adjective.


Not sure what you want  me to say about the sarcastic remark about turning you into Homeland Security////Won't matter until the Donald takes over       


Look, I am done with the goobly gook bs comparing Christianity to Islam and arguing which is worse. Christianity has dropped the Crusades. Islam has not.

Interesting factoid. Christianity was about the same "age" as Islam is NOW when The Crusades happened.

Maybe when Islam is the same "age" as Christianity is NOW, it will be as peaceful, open, and good as Christians think Christianity is.

[djAdvocate]

it won't probably take that long.  the world is moving more quickly, these days.  have you noticed? 

[Deleted]

Dec 24, 2016 0:17:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it won't probably take that long.  the world is moving more quickly, these days.  have you noticed? 

Did you notice the "easter egg" in my post?

I do agree that the world is moving more quickly though...

[OldCoyote]

Dec 22, 2016 23:51:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:26:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

so for the record, am I a Catholic hater since I no longer practice the religion and am critical of how they handled the pedophile priests? or am I granted a reprieve since I'm "confirmed" for whatever that means? 

I still don't see the line between what you have posted about expecting the average non-radicalized Muslim to do regarding their fellow Muslims and what I should have done during the priest abuse scandal. I'm so conflicted now......wondering what you think of me, and whether you might report me to Homeland Security! 

Hope I can answer correctly....
I, and I assume most people expected the Catholic church leaders to fix the problem of child abuse and not protect the Priests and hide the problem.
Is it not time to expect Inmans to do the same within their religion?
What I think of you is rather irrelevant, but I will tell you.
I think you are a very intelligent person who brings a lot of good spirit and thoughtfulness to the boards. Do I agree with you much of the time?  Probably not. So what? I am sure you feel you do not agree with me much of the time either. Not a big deal.......
Did I refer to you as a Catholic hater? If I did, I did not remember doing it.
On a post I did say "disliker" but I do not think that was in reference to anyone in particular and "disliker" was a term used because I could not think of a better adjective.


Not sure what you want  me to say about the sarcastic remark about turning you into Homeland Security////Won't matter until the Donald takes over       


Look, I am done with the goobly gook bs comparing Christianity to Islam and arguing which is worse. Christianity has dropped the Crusades. Islam has not.

Value Buy, Old coyote wishes you a very Merry Christmas, I hope everything is well for you.

[chiver78]

Dec 23, 2016 9:31:23 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:10:13 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

and yet mainstream Christians of both Catholicism and other denominations haven't risen up by the thousands to denounce those priests, either.

or was I mistaken about your expectations of the average non-radicalized Muslim to do the same? 

Hey now...don't go bringing us Protestants into the ducked up catholic priest scandals!

And I disagree. I know plenty of people who left the Catholic Church because of the scandals.

I do find it funny that the liberals on here support the muslims while bashing Christians (not you specifically). Shouldn't all religions get bashed? Or do the liberals who make fun of Christian's for believing in a non-existent being actually believe Allah exists?

I've been offline all day, and fully expect someone else has already hit this, but I want to chime in since I got quoted.

most liberals I know don't "make fun" of any religions, but wholeheartedly will mock absolute blind following of any of them. those that don't believe in any god aren't going to believe in the existence of Allah or any other non-Christian god any more than they will a Christian god.

hope that helps.

[Deleted]

Maybe if we stopped bombing them back to the Middle Ages they could move on... Check out Iran in the 1970s before we interfered.

ISIL isn't Islam and more than David Kireah or Westboro Baptist are Christian.

Anyone who wants to worship a God should be able to do so freely so long as it does not negatively impact another's rights. No matter what they call God. What I make fun of is hypocrisy, and the enthusiastically ill informed.

[Opti]

Dec 22, 2016 23:32:54 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:23:53 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

so why did you bring Catholics into it?

I explained it to you already.
I used the Catholic analogy to make some posters think about the extremists  being allowed to exist within their religion.
As many Catholic and organized religion "dislikers" that we have on the boards here, I am asking them to really look within theirselves and ask why they do not see a correlation of the transgressions allowed with Islam, as applied to Catholic and Baptist church rhetoric here on the board.
I am done talking religion here, as we are probably close to having the thread moved to the Religion board......
If you and others cannot understand the double standard that exists over these issues, I am truly sorry.

And I think you are creating a double standard. They aren't existing within their religion. They aren't part of a general sect. They are like the Westboro Baptists. Baptists in name but a totally separate organization from any formal Baptist sect. Posters have never agitated for Baptists to fix the Westboro Baptist's behavior probably because they know it was created and headed by someone not in the Baptist organization. This is similar and it disappoints me many do not seem to understand that.

Do you think things like the below would happen if it was part of the same organization?

news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-imams-on-isil-hit-list-for-preaching-against-extremism-and-steering-muslims-away-from-jihad

[Deleted]

Dec 24, 2016 7:06:23 GMT -5 oped said:

Maybe if we stopped bombing them back to the Middle Ages they could move on... Check out Iran in the 1970s before we interfered.

ISIL isn't Islam and more than David Kireah or Westboro Baptist are Christian.

Anyone who wants to worship a God should be able to do so freely so long as it does not negatively impact another's rights. No matter what they call God. What I make fun of is hypocrisy, and the enthusiastically ill informed.

I agree. Believe whatever you want and worship whatever/whoever you want... just leave other people alone and grant them the same courtesy.

[NastyWoman]

Dec 22, 2016 23:12:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:10:13 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

and yet mainstream Christians of both Catholicism and other denominations haven't risen up by the thousands to denounce those priests, either.

or was I mistaken about your expectations of the average non-radicalized Muslim to do the same? 

wow. and Catholics are not blowing up mosques and churches, beheading innocent people and raping and pillaging villages.
I am done being politically correct with discussion of Islam.

I believe you are a little late to the party: that part was called the Crusades and they took place a couple of years ago 

[djAdvocate]

Dec 25, 2016 14:46:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Dec 22, 2016 23:12:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

wow. and Catholics are not blowing up mosques and churches, beheading innocent people and raping and pillaging villages.
I am done being politically correct with discussion of Islam.

I believe you are a little late to the party: that part was called the Crusades and they took place a couple of years ago 

i expect you to get jumped upon by "civilized Christians" for this, but it might be well to remind them that at the height of the Crusades, Muslims were slaughtered wholesale.  so it is not like the analogy doesn't fit.  it actually fits quite well.  well, maybe not in scale.  the Crusades, at least so far, were much worse.

[Deleted]

We also much more recently have funded/weaponized many of the peple who DO continue to do those things...

[Opti]

I learned something just now about the Crusades.

Along the way, the Crusaders massacred. To take but one example, the Rhineland Massacres of 1096 are remembered to this day as some of the most horrific examples of anti-Semitic violence prior to the Holocaust. (Why go to the Holy Land to fight nonbelievers, many wondered, when they live right among us?) The Jewish communities of Cologne, Speyer, Worms, and Mainz were decimated. There were more than 5,000 victims.

www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/was-obama-right-about-the-crusades-and-islamic-extremism-analysis/2015/02/06/3670628a-ae46-11e4-8876-460b1144cbc1_story.html?utm_term=.0f7d962eb860

[NastyWoman]

Dec 25, 2016 18:16:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 25, 2016 14:46:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I believe you are a little late to the party: that part was called the Crusades and they took place a couple of years ago 

i expect you to get jumped upon by "civilized Christians" for this, but it might be well to remind them that at the height of the Crusades, Muslims were slaughtered wholesale.  so it is not like the analogy doesn't fit.  it actually fits quite well.  well, maybe not in scale.  the Crusades, at least so far, were much worse.

I would expect that too, especially since I posted this "attack on Christianity" on Xmas Day, although the date is a coincidence.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 25, 2016 21:19:06 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Dec 25, 2016 18:16:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i expect you to get jumped upon by "civilized Christians" for this, but it might be well to remind them that at the height of the Crusades, Muslims were slaughtered wholesale.  so it is not like the analogy doesn't fit.  it actually fits quite well.  well, maybe not in scale.  the Crusades, at least so far, were much worse.

I would expect that too, especially since I posted this "attack on Christianity" on Xmas Day, although the date is a coincidence.

there is significant evidence that Jesus wasn't born on 12/25, anyway.  don't concern yourself.

[NastyWoman]

djAdvocate I am not concerned at all. But you know who will be...

[Value Buy]

Dec 25, 2016 23:02:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 25, 2016 21:19:06 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I would expect that too, especially since I posted this "attack on Christianity" on Xmas Day, although the date is a coincidence.

there is significant evidence that Jesus wasn't born on 12/25, anyway.  don't concern yourself.

And President Washington and Lincoln were not born of President's day...............but like our government, we pick a date to celebrate the birth of Christ.
It would be nice if we did have a specific date for Christ's birth, but since we don't, (record keeping of itinerant's birthdays were amazing bad in those days) assigning one is not the end of the world.
The same thing cannot be said for Washington and Lincoln's birthdays. We know when they were born.

[busymom]

Well, so far, so good. I haven't heard any reports of attacks at any churches here. Any of you Kids heard anything?

[Ryan]

Dec 22, 2016 22:19:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 22, 2016 22:02:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes from the religion of peace, goodwill, and harmony...


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/isil-issues-hit-list-of-us-churches-for-holiday-attacks/ar-BBxsvf5?li=BBnb7Kz

Its not the religion that is attacking. Its a crazy ass group that happens to be Muslim. Islam existed before you were born, if it was from the religion only this stuff would be old hat.

Somehow I don't think Christians get the same benefit of the doubt from libs

[Deleted]

There was a synagogue that got feces and food smeared today I think. 

[irishpad]

I haven't heard of any attacks being reported.  Interestingly, at both of our Christmas Eve Masses (5 p.m. & Midnight) an on duty officer was present (different officer at each)   Both are also parishioners so I don't know if it was a coincidence or if they were making an intentional presence at churches throughout the city at their services.   I help with chaplaincy for the department so I intend to ask the next time I'm at the law enforcement center.   

[weltschmerz]

Dec 22, 2016 22:19:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 22, 2016 22:02:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes from the religion of peace, goodwill, and harmony...


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/isil-issues-hit-list-of-us-churches-for-holiday-attacks/ar-BBxsvf5?li=BBnb7Kz

Its not the religion that is attacking. Its a crazy ass group that happens to be Muslim. Islam existed before you were born, if it was from the religion only this stuff would be old hat.

This was not a "crazy ass group" that belonged to a terrorist organization. Islam is more of a crazy ass ideology that considers itself superior to the infidels.

Rome (CNN)Muslims who were among migrants trying to get from Libya to Italy in a boat this week threw 12 fellow passengers overboard -- killing them -- because the 12 were Christians, Italian police said Thursday.

Italian authorities have arrested 15 people on suspicion of murdering the Christians at sea, police in Palermo, Sicily, said.

www.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/

This wasn't ISIS or Al Qaeda or Boko Haram or Al-Shabaab or the Taliban or Abu Sayyaf.
Just Muslims.

[weltschmerz]

The Muslim judo Olympian refused to shake hands with his Israeli competitor. He wasn't part of a terrorist group. Just a Muslim.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/08/15/egyptian-judoka-sent-home-from-olympics-after-refusing-to-shake-israeli-opponents-hand/?utm_term=.1d54ec74d8de

[weltschmerz]

I've seen that video before. I work with a LOT of Muslims. Every second guy in housekeeping, maintenance, kitchen and security is named Mohammed.
Every one holds the same views as described in the video.
Death by stoning.
Strict segregation of the sexes.
Abhorrence of homosexuality.
And last but not least....the overpowering drive to make the entire planet bow to Allah.

No thanks.

[weltschmerz]

www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/belgian-muslim-woman-who-confronted-anti-islam-rally-made-anti-semitic-posts-5-1-2016

A peace-loving Muslim girl whose photo went viral, giving the peace sign in front of an anti-immigration rally.
I read her Facebook posts before they were deleted.
"Hitler made one big mistake. He didn't kill all the Jews."

So much for peace-loving. Not a terrorist. Just a Muslim.