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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 21:25:52 GMT -5
I was similarly taught that an atheist is an a-theist, an anti-theist, if you will. From the Greek "a" (without) + the Greek "theos" (God). Not questioning God, but knowing that there is none. Well, you were taught wrong. As you say, "a" means "without"; it does not mean "against". An Atheist, by definition, can't be "against" God... because to an Atheist there is no God to be against. I never said Atheists are "against" God. |
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Dec 22, 2016 0:07:37 GMT -5
Well, you were taught wrong. As you say, "a" means "without"; it does not mean "against". An Atheist, by definition, can't be "against" God... because to an Atheist there is no God to be against. I never said Atheists are "against" God. Anti means against. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 0:46:44 GMT -5
An Atheist, by definition, can't be "against" God... because to an Atheist there is no God to be against. I never said Atheists are "against" God. Anti means against. That's why I said "if you will" with that characterization. meaning "'anti-' is not precise, but close" Anti- as the adjective meaning "opposed" as in "opposed to believing in God." ergo, non-belief or belief in none. NOT "Anti-" as the preposition meaning "against". |
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Dec 22, 2016 0:53:31 GMT -5
That's why I said "if you will" with that characterization. meaning "'anti-' is not precise, but close" Anti- as the adjective meaning "opposed" as in "opposed to believing in God." ergo, non-belief or belief in none. NOT "Anti-" as the preposition meaning "against". I see. Thank you for the clarification. |
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Post by toshmanta on Dec 22, 2016 8:09:52 GMT -5
I was similarly taught that an atheist is an a-theist, an anti-theist, if you will. From the Greek "a" (without) + the Greek "theos" (God). Not questioning God, but knowing that there is none. Well, you were taught wrong. As you say, "a" means "without"; it does not mean "against". I concur, and i prefer to be called a " naturalist " as i do not believe in the supernatural, ghosts, gods,spirits,angels,eternal souls,fairies,witches,miracles,talking snakes,flying horses or the evil eye, basically i am a grown up.  |
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Post by toshmanta on Dec 22, 2016 8:24:48 GMT -5
That's why I said "if you will" with that characterization. meaning "'anti-' is not precise, but close" Anti- as the adjective meaning "opposed" as in "opposed to believing in God." ergo, non-belief or belief in none. NOT "Anti-" as the preposition meaning "against". I see. Thank you for the clarification. It is called waffle if you will, antitheism describes something one is, atheism describes something one isn't. |
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Post by toshmanta on Dec 22, 2016 8:28:29 GMT -5
You guys should move on with your lives. I am an atheist preacher, preaching is my life, eugenics is only a hobby. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 9:07:06 GMT -5
Well, you were taught wrong. As you say, "a" means "without"; it does not mean "against". I concur, and i prefer to be called a " naturalist " as i do not believe in the supernatural, ghosts, gods,spirits,angels,eternal souls,fairies,witches,miracles,talking snakes,flying horses or the evil eye, basically i am a grown up. I thought "naturalists" were people who ran around naked. |
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Post by toshmanta on Dec 22, 2016 10:30:02 GMT -5
I concur, and i prefer to be called a " naturalist " as i do not believe in the supernatural, ghosts, gods,spirits,angels,eternal souls,fairies,witches,miracles,talking snakes,flying horses or the evil eye, basically i am a grown up. I thought "naturalists" were people who ran around naked. Wishful thinking on your part.  |
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Post by Tiny on Dec 22, 2016 17:48:54 GMT -5
I am an atheist and i am willing to believe in any god if there is proof, you are missing my point,agnosticism is about withholding belief and DISBELIEF until there is proof either way, all the agnostics i know do not BELIEVE Zeus exists but withhold their disbelief when it comes to God. That says you are an Agnostic. An Atheist would not believe, even in the face of proof. No. I don't think that's how it works. Not one atheist I know would remain an atheist if proof of a god(s) was presented.
I don't believe there are fairies in my garden (despite the book - Lady cottington's Pressed Fairy Book). If there was some actual proof that there were fairies.... I would then believe that fairies existed. I wouldn't continue to say that fairies don't exist as they buzzed around my head or out in my garden.
The same goes for gods - if there is some proof of gods - and I don't mean "a beautiful sunset should be enough to prove a creator" or your personal account of having heard a god's voice... I mean actual, verifiable, recreateable proof of a god... then I'd no longer be an atheist. I might not be willing to WORSHIP this newly proven god(s) but I certainly would believe it was a real thing.
I've gotten to the point with god(s) where if you are trying to prove your god exists - you might FIRST want to convince me it's not Evil... and then work on getting me to accept your proof of it's existence. 
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Post by Tiny on Dec 22, 2016 17:58:43 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that as an atheist I believe in one less god than my theist friends... They already do NOT believe in thousands of possible gods (the book the Golden Bough lists off 10,000 gods that have come and gone). Yet, they cannot comprehend how I can NOT believe in their particular god.
I've shocked a few theists who were compelled to get me to 'believe' in their god - when I suggested that there being only ONE god seemed unlikely and that the natural world seemed to lean towards a pantheon of gods (also I'm rather fond of the god(s) being bugs... since there are so many bugs on earth and earth seems to have been created as the perfect place for them to live). I also mentioned that maybe they should work on convincing me their god is not evil before we get around to the "this god is real" part... sure would suck if I felt that there somewhat evil god was real... I wouldn't want to worship it... even if I had to acknowledge it was real (due to enough proof to eliminate my atheism...)
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Post by toshmanta on Dec 22, 2016 20:56:01 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that as an atheist I believe in one less god than my theist friends... They already do NOT believe in thousands of possible gods (the book the Golden Bough lists off 10,000 gods that have come and gone). Yet, they cannot comprehend how I can NOT believe in their particular god.
I've shocked a few theists who were compelled to get me to 'believe' in their god - when I suggested that there being only ONE god seemed unlikely and that the natural world seemed to lean towards a pantheon of gods (also I'm rather fond of the god(s) being bugs... since there are so many bugs on earth and earth seems to have been created as the perfect place for them to live). I also mentioned that maybe they should work on convincing me their god is not evil before we get around to the "this god is real" part... sure would suck if I felt that there somewhat evil god was real... I wouldn't want to worship it... even if I had to acknowledge it was real (due to enough proof to eliminate my atheism...)
This is where Deism reveals itself, deists try and discard religious gobbledegook but still believe in one supreme being, now how can one see the universe and conclude it is the act of ONE being  ? Just ill defined monotheism to avoid scrutiny or worse. |
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