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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 12:58:20 GMT -5
I went in for a hair cut yesterday and all the barber did was airbrush it to the side. Now I have to wear one of those stupid hats. But seriously, maybe he'll surprise us. Maybe he will actually tone down some of the more right wing extremists in the House now that the GOP controls both House's of Congress. I'm not looking at the minutia as it's being reported by the media. (They do have commercial time to sell and the sensationalism gets it done) I will expect policy will move towards less regulation, and a conservative judge nominated for the Supreme Court. There is a lot of inertia built into the system.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Dec 12, 2016 13:04:04 GMT -5
Trump has said things people don't like, as always.
Oh, and supposedly been a increase in the incidence of "hate crimes." Though most of the ones I've read about amount to petty vandalism and general jackassery, which I don't view as serious hate crimes, but some may disagree.
I know petty vandalism and general jackassery are all meant in fun... it's not scary or distressing for who ever it happens to. They KNOW it's a joke. So what if they have to spend some money to fix whatever was broken or so what if someone made one of their loved ones upset/frightened or if it ruined a special occasion. It's a JOKE!! You'd think people would just deal with it.
I know it's "joke" and "no harm is meant" because as a woman I have to deal with comments from men and sometimes being groped not to mention all the care and consideration I need to go thru to decide if a public area/place is going to be safe/harrasment free. I just brush off the comments, the fear, the roving hands and chalk it up to guys being guys. They can't help it. They have that defective chromosome (the Y one.... it's missing some bits). They don't mean to frighten me or make me uncomfortable (or maybe cause me physical harm!!). It's a JOKE!! It's for FUN!!!
All of that above isn't serious (it's sarcasm... just incase you couldn't tell).
Here's the SERIOUS stuff: you might want to reconsider that "petty vandalism" and "general Jackassery" WON"T be so benign when it happens to you or someone you love. Can you really brush off someone damageing YOUR property or someone you love's property out of anger? Or maybe you just think it's a "joke" and you'll laugh it off with feeling violated or afraid?
In my mind, a "hate crime" involves bodily harm to someone because of their race, religion, sexual orientation ect.
But when the media gives evidence of a "hate crime" it usually involves destruction of property or harassment. While certain not "good" or "no big deal" or a "joke" as you put it, in my mind it doesn't rise to the level of a hate crime. And as I said, regardless, it should be prosecuted as applicable under the law.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 12, 2016 14:23:35 GMT -5
... And you wonder why I post snarky answers to you on other subjects. To compare: ... I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept of individuality. Carry on. Where does the time go and why do I still have my Christmas tree up? I can't believe it is February already. Hmmmm. My comment questions whether or not we are actually a couple of weeks into Trump. Your comment states your assessment of my inability to understand a concept.
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 12, 2016 18:09:43 GMT -5
I know petty vandalism and general jackassery are all meant in fun... it's not scary or distressing for who ever it happens to. They KNOW it's a joke. So what if they have to spend some money to fix whatever was broken or so what if someone made one of their loved ones upset/frightened or if it ruined a special occasion. It's a JOKE!! You'd think people would just deal with it.
I know it's "joke" and "no harm is meant" because as a woman I have to deal with comments from men and sometimes being groped not to mention all the care and consideration I need to go thru to decide if a public area/place is going to be safe/harrasment free. I just brush off the comments, the fear, the roving hands and chalk it up to guys being guys. They can't help it. They have that defective chromosome (the Y one.... it's missing some bits). They don't mean to frighten me or make me uncomfortable (or maybe cause me physical harm!!). It's a JOKE!! It's for FUN!!!
All of that above isn't serious (it's sarcasm... just incase you couldn't tell).
Here's the SERIOUS stuff: you might want to reconsider that "petty vandalism" and "general Jackassery" WON"T be so benign when it happens to you or someone you love. Can you really brush off someone damageing YOUR property or someone you love's property out of anger? Or maybe you just think it's a "joke" and you'll laugh it off with feeling violated or afraid?
In my mind, a "hate crime" involves bodily harm to someone because of their race, religion, sexual orientation ect.
But when the media gives evidence of a "hate crime" it usually involves destruction of property or harassment. While certain not "good" or "no big deal" or a "joke" as you put it, in my mind it doesn't rise to the level of a hate crime. And as I said, regardless, it should be prosecuted as applicable under the law.
Interesting application of the "stick and stones" approach. So glad to know that only physical abuse counts as abuse --- and yes, a hate crime is a form of abuse. Now if we only knew what all those courts are thinking when they are not applying this same principle to domestic abuse situatations. No wonder the repubs know which side is up
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Post by steff on Dec 12, 2016 18:12:54 GMT -5
Sorry, but my neighbors that had the N word spray painted on their driveway & their house were victims of a hate crime, not of petty vandalism. They are the ONLY black family in our neighborhood. Petty vandalism would have been if more houses were targeted & not the ONLY minorities. Also kind of hard to deny when the 1st attack came on election night after it was announced Trump "won".
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Post by rob base on Dec 12, 2016 19:14:20 GMT -5
So he should stop living his life?
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Post by rob base on Dec 12, 2016 19:15:53 GMT -5
Sorry, but my neighbors that had the N word spray painted on their driveway & their house were victims of a hate crime, not of petty vandalism. They are the ONLY black family in our neighborhood. Petty vandalism would have been if more houses were targeted & not the ONLY minorities. Also kind of hard to deny when the 1st attack came on election night after it was announced Trump "won".
So that particular hate crime was Trump's fault?
Then by the same logic, is Hillary responsible for all the destructive protests after the election?
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 12, 2016 19:27:36 GMT -5
Sorry, but my neighbors that had the N word spray painted on their driveway & their house were victims of a hate crime, not of petty vandalism. They are the ONLY black family in our neighborhood. Petty vandalism would have been if more houses were targeted & not the ONLY minorities. Also kind of hard to deny when the 1st attack came on election night after it was announced Trump "won".
So that particular hate crime was Trump's fault?
Then by the same logic, is Hillary responsible for all the destructive protests after the election?
No, once you put an idea out there you have to take responsibility for what follows, so you need to look here (it's the goose/gander thingy): time.com/4560707/donald-trump-election-loss-rigged/
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Post by rob base on Dec 12, 2016 22:59:36 GMT -5
So that particular hate crime was Trump's fault?
Then by the same logic, is Hillary responsible for all the destructive protests after the election?
No, once you put an idea out there you have to take responsibility for what follows, so you need to look here (it's the goose/gander thingy): time.com/4560707/donald-trump-election-loss-rigged/
Right ......so the destructive democratic protests are Trump's fault........
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 12, 2016 23:14:32 GMT -5
I know petty vandalism and general jackassery are all meant in fun... it's not scary or distressing for who ever it happens to. They KNOW it's a joke. So what if they have to spend some money to fix whatever was broken or so what if someone made one of their loved ones upset/frightened or if it ruined a special occasion. It's a JOKE!! You'd think people would just deal with it.
I know it's "joke" and "no harm is meant" because as a woman I have to deal with comments from men and sometimes being groped not to mention all the care and consideration I need to go thru to decide if a public area/place is going to be safe/harrasment free. I just brush off the comments, the fear, the roving hands and chalk it up to guys being guys. They can't help it. They have that defective chromosome (the Y one.... it's missing some bits). They don't mean to frighten me or make me uncomfortable (or maybe cause me physical harm!!). It's a JOKE!! It's for FUN!!!
All of that above isn't serious (it's sarcasm... just incase you couldn't tell).
Here's the SERIOUS stuff: you might want to reconsider that "petty vandalism" and "general Jackassery" WON"T be so benign when it happens to you or someone you love. Can you really brush off someone damageing YOUR property or someone you love's property out of anger? Or maybe you just think it's a "joke" and you'll laugh it off with feeling violated or afraid?
In my mind, a "hate crime" involves bodily harm to someone because of their race, religion, sexual orientation ect.
But when the media gives evidence of a "hate crime" it usually involves destruction of property or harassment. While certain not "good" or "no big deal" or a "joke" as you put it, in my mind it doesn't rise to the level of a hate crime. And as I said, regardless, it should be prosecuted as applicable under the law.
So, according to you, burning a cross on somebody's lawn isn't a hate crime. After all, nobody was physically injured.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:11:52 GMT -5
... And you wonder why I post snarky answers to you on other subjects. To compare: ... I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept of individuality. Carry on. Where does the time go and why do I still have my Christmas tree up? I can't believe it is February already. Hmmmm. My comment questions whether or not we are actually a couple of weeks into Trump. Your comment states your assessment of my inability to understand a concept. It doesn't state whether it's weeks into Trump as president elect, or Trump as president. So yes, I might have questions on your conceptualizing ability. Other subjects also. No need to feel offended, clarifying is a normal part of a discussion. I know I can't conceptualize certain ideals.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 13, 2016 12:14:59 GMT -5
In my mind, a "hate crime" involves bodily harm to someone because of their race, religion, sexual orientation ect.
But when the media gives evidence of a "hate crime" it usually involves destruction of property or harassment. While certain not "good" or "no big deal" or a "joke" as you put it, in my mind it doesn't rise to the level of a hate crime. And as I said, regardless, it should be prosecuted as applicable under the law.
So, according to you, burning a cross on somebody's lawn isn't a hate crime. After all, nobody was physically injured. So, according to you, burning a flag is free speech? Oh ok.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 13, 2016 12:15:45 GMT -5
You all must LOVE the KKK. Seems to be all you talk about.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 13, 2016 12:16:56 GMT -5
Right ......so the destructive democratic protests are Trump's fault........ Of course they are. They provoke it. Just like a rape.
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Post by steff on Dec 13, 2016 13:48:25 GMT -5
So, according to you, burning a cross on somebody's lawn isn't a hate crime. After all, nobody was physically injured. So, according to you, burning a flag is free speech? Oh ok. Actually, it's the Supreme Court that says it's free speech. Facts, they are your friend.
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Post by alabamagal on Dec 13, 2016 13:51:30 GMT -5
They shouldn't. Few seem to have any qualifications other than being rich or being a general. And several seem to be against the department they would be in charge of. Being a general is a pretty big accomplishment. Being rich because you worked your way up to become CEO of a company is a pretty big accomplishment.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Dec 15, 2016 10:22:49 GMT -5
So he should stop living his life?
Of course not but it's not unreasonable for him and his adult family to consider how his action, now that he will be our next POTUS, are affecting his neighbors..especially his business neighbors. He was elected in a big part because he claimed he will be a friend of American business...gain jobs..hopefully not cause the loss of them and it seems there are as many as fifty businesses , according to this report, in the area, being affected negatively, at least 50% seriously and if there is a average of say eight workers per business..that is a lot of workers who may be affected negatively... As a businessmen who is familier with charging high rents to businesses because he offered good locations for those businesses to do well..he should be understanding on this problem and try to find a solution... otherwise his actions kind of remind me in a way , when the suffering of the French people as far as having enough to eat..not enough bread..the Queen is repoted to have said "let them eat cake"... in this situation, maybe a feeling of "let them find another place to do their business" forgetting the cost of breaking leases, moving expenses, fixture and decorating costs , empty retail space of the landlords of the properties..even less State and federal taxes earned if businesses are no longer plus unemployed workers and even cost of unemployment insurance of laid off workers.....just a thought..
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Post by rob base on Dec 15, 2016 12:45:27 GMT -5
LMAO. The country knew where he lived when they hired him. Unless they are going to let him move into the White House early I see no need for him to move.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Dec 15, 2016 13:25:55 GMT -5
LMAO. The country knew where he lived when they hired him. Unless they are going to let him move into the White House early I see no need for him to move. I don't believe the real problem is where he is living now...post election, before being sworn in to the office..yes there are negatives being brought up right now, but it is more the problem / expense , both federal and city.. that would be there monthly if his wife and son , which there has been a discussion of, spent the majority of their time living in their apartment at "Trump Towers" and not living at the white house, son not attending school in the DC area....
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Post by rob base on Dec 15, 2016 15:07:34 GMT -5
LMAO. The country knew where he lived when they hired him. Unless they are going to let him move into the White House early I see no need for him to move. I don't believe the real problem is where he is living now...post election, before being sworn in to the office..yes there are negatives being brought up right now, but it is more the problem / expense , both federal and city.. that would be there monthly if his wife and son , which there has been a discussion of, spent the majority of their time living in their apartment at "Trump Towers" and not living at the white house, son not attending school in the DC area.... Right. But that's not what u were indicating way above In regards to this post, We had that discussion on another thread. And like I said there,I don't see an issue with keeping junior there got 4 months or so to finish school year. After that, IF junior doesn't move into White House I will join you in being irritated / pissed about it
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Post by engineerdoe on Dec 15, 2016 15:13:36 GMT -5
They shouldn't. Few seem to have any qualifications other than being rich or being a general. And several seem to be against the department they would be in charge of. I think it will be fun to watch their frustration as they are exposed to governmental reality. Now that is a C-Span channel I would watch.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Dec 15, 2016 15:17:18 GMT -5
I don't believe the real problem is where he is living now...post election, before being sworn in to the office..yes there are negatives being brought up right now, but it is more the problem / expense , both federal and city.. that would be there monthly if his wife and son , which there has been a discussion of, spent the majority of their time living in their apartment at "Trump Towers" and not living at the white house, son not attending school in the DC area.... Right. But that's not what u were indicating way above In regards to this post, We had that discussion on another thread. And like I said there,I don't see an issue with keeping junior there got 4 months or so to finish school year. After that, IF junior doesn't move into White House I will join you in being irritated / pissed about it yep...same as u..let Jr finish school...also wouldn't have a problem if during the year the Donald and family checked in to their abode for get away weekends..not sure how much into the Camp David camp- is this familys thing..possible more into NY and stuff, theater, restaurants and what ever ....costs for security ...well where ever he is, need security...and I am not one to nit pick over the small things... LBJ ranch cost is less then the big apple of the Donald or Obamas Martha Vineyard summers or Hawian vacations...but if son stays in NY for schooling with Mom , thus real daily expense overage..he, the Donald, should pick that up..can well afford it...IMHO
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Post by tallguy on Dec 16, 2016 2:58:10 GMT -5
They shouldn't. Few seem to have any qualifications other than being rich or being a general. And several seem to be against the department they would be in charge of. Being a general is a pretty big accomplishment. Being rich because you worked your way up to become CEO of a company is a pretty big accomplishment. So is hitting a 475-foot home run off a 100 MPH fastball. Doesn't mean the person is qualified for everything else in the world. Or anything else in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 6:55:50 GMT -5
LMAO. The country knew where he lived when they hired him. Unless they are going to let him move into the White House early I see no need for him to move. NYC didn't vote for him... but like everything else they are paying for it...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 6:56:49 GMT -5
So, according to you, burning a cross on somebody's lawn isn't a hate crime. After all, nobody was physically injured. So, according to you, burning a flag is free speech? Oh ok. Did you just equate burning a flag in protest to burning a cross on someone's yard?
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Post by rob base on Dec 16, 2016 9:09:58 GMT -5
LMAO. The country knew where he lived when they hired him. Unless they are going to let him move into the White House early I see no need for him to move. NYC didn't vote for him... but like everything else they are paying for it... It's a country wide electoral based vote. The country hired him. NY knew this was a possibility. No one complained before he decided to run, when tourists were drawn to his trump tower...the businesses and stuff enjoyed the foot traffic then. And they'll enjoy the even greater tourist foot traffic to Trump tower after his presidency. It's just the cost of doing business. Are you advocating Trump should move and change his life? If so where to and how? Like another poster said -"maybe we should add a constitutional amendment that people that live in big cities can't run for office?"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 12:02:01 GMT -5
Old Coyote you do realize Trump is pro law enforcement, most law enforcement voted for him and this will probably put the brakes on reform of the thing you post about the most, police overstepping their authority.
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Post by Tiny on Dec 16, 2016 18:38:19 GMT -5
So, according to you, burning a cross on somebody's lawn isn't a hate crime. After all, nobody was physically injured. So, according to you, burning a flag is free speech? Oh ok. I'm not sure how you can conflate the two. I'll admit I'm scratching my head over how you seem to be missing the implicit threat of violence to whoever lives in the house that the burning cross symbolizes.
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Post by Tiny on Dec 16, 2016 18:40:53 GMT -5
They shouldn't. Few seem to have any qualifications other than being rich or being a general. And several seem to be against the department they would be in charge of. Being a general is a pretty big accomplishment. Being rich because you worked your way up to become CEO of a company is a pretty big accomplishment. LOL! Absolutely!! Who better to watch the hen house than the fox. The fox has lots of experience with henhouses and hens. I'm sure the Fox will act in the best interest of the hens.
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