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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 30, 2016 19:55:22 GMT -5
I know I wasn't supposed to drive for at least 2 weeks, maybe more. I drove just the 1.25 miles to my mom's house before the 2 weeks was up. I really shouldn't have. Really. Shouldn't. Have. Sometimes what you think you can handle and what is honestly advisable are very different.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 30, 2016 19:56:34 GMT -5
I never was told not to drive a car. that was back in the day when they kept you in the hospital for several days. I was kept almost two days and that's only because both kids had issues (one was a premie and one had one functioning kidney). Otherwise I would have been sent home in 24 hours.
Woman are strong creatures. Wanting to stay home with the baby is one thing but for posters to claim we are so fragile that we need a year off to recover is just crazy talk.
ETA: I misunderstood zib's post. I thought she said she was told not to drive. I know my mom was told not to drive. They also kept her in the hospital for a week for a normal, vaginal delivery!
I was told not to drive either.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2016 19:57:57 GMT -5
I never was told not to drive a car. that was back in the day when they kept you in the hospital for several days. I was kept almost two days and that's only because both kids had issues (one was a premie and one had one functioning kidney). Otherwise I would have been sent home in 24 hours.
Woman are strong creatures. Wanting to stay home with the baby is one thing but for posters to claim we are so fragile that we need a year off to recover is just crazy talk.
ETA: I misunderstood zib's post. I thought she said she was told not to drive. I know my mom was told not to drive. They also kept her in the hospital for a week for a normal, vaginal delivery!
Yeah, so crazy that just about every first world country does it except for the USA. It makes for stronger families, stronger communities and stronger, healthier countries. The proof has already been posted here.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 30, 2016 19:58:10 GMT -5
Why ever not? I was perfectly capable of driving.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 30, 2016 20:14:59 GMT -5
that was back in the day when they kept you in the hospital for several days. I was kept almost two days and that's only because both kids had issues (one was a premie and one had one functioning kidney). Otherwise I would have been sent home in 24 hours.
Woman are strong creatures. Wanting to stay home with the baby is one thing but for posters to claim we are so fragile that we need a year off to recover is just crazy talk.
ETA: I misunderstood zib's post. I thought she said she was told not to drive. I know my mom was told not to drive. They also kept her in the hospital for a week for a normal, vaginal delivery!
I was told not to drive either. For how long? I don't remember being told not to drive. Maybe a few days? But I wasn't going anywhere the first few days
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 30, 2016 20:16:48 GMT -5
that was back in the day when they kept you in the hospital for several days. I was kept almost two days and that's only because both kids had issues (one was a premie and one had one functioning kidney). Otherwise I would have been sent home in 24 hours.
Woman are strong creatures. Wanting to stay home with the baby is one thing but for posters to claim we are so fragile that we need a year off to recover is just crazy talk.
ETA: I misunderstood zib's post. I thought she said she was told not to drive. I know my mom was told not to drive. They also kept her in the hospital for a week for a normal, vaginal delivery!
Yeah, so crazy that just about every first world country does it except for the USA. It makes for stronger families, stronger communities and stronger, healthier countries. The proof has already been posted here. Again...that comes down to wanting to stay home with the baby. There is no physical reason a woman can't work after a few weeks post-partum. She might not want to (I didn't want to) but she physically can. You went on about no sleep, hormones, etc. Somehow Americans power through it. I guess we are just a tougher breed
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2016 20:25:32 GMT -5
Yeah, so crazy that just about every first world country does it except for the USA. It makes for stronger families, stronger communities and stronger, healthier countries. The proof has already been posted here. Again...that comes down to wanting to stay home with the baby. There is no physical reason a woman can't work after a few weeks post-partum. She might not want to (I didn't want to) but she physically can. You went on about no sleep, hormones, etc. Somehow Americans power through it. I guess we are just a tougher breed You also have more child poverty and more women on welfare. Have fun being a "tougher breed." Not to mention a President Elect who sends out reams of pugnacious tweets over every perceived slight. Tougher breed, indeed!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 30, 2016 20:32:58 GMT -5
Again...that comes down to wanting to stay home with the baby. There is no physical reason a woman can't work after a few weeks post-partum. She might not want to (I didn't want to) but she physically can. You went on about no sleep, hormones, etc. Somehow Americans power through it. I guess we are just a tougher breed You also have more child poverty and more women on welfare. Have fun being a "tougher breed." Not to mention a President Elect who sends out reams of pugnacious tweets over every perceived slight. Tougher breed, indeed! So Canada doesn't have child poverty or women on welfare? Because if having an extended maternity leave is the be-all, end-all to women not being poor, then Canada should have none.
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Post by milee on Nov 30, 2016 20:57:19 GMT -5
Yeah, so crazy that just about every first world country does it except for the USA. It makes for stronger families, stronger communities and stronger, healthier countries. The proof has already been posted here. No, some biased articles citing statements that were cherry picked from various "studies" (some legit and some of dubious quality) were linked to. I'm still not seeing proof - especially from a business standpoint - that mandated, lengthy maternity leave is a beneficial program.
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Post by justme on Nov 30, 2016 21:00:32 GMT -5
They have less child poverty. They have a higher rate of mothers in the workforce. Lower rates of mothers on welfare. Significantly lower infant mortality rates.
Maybe it's not solely because of longer maternity leave, but the countries that have better stats on that then us have paid maternity leave.
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Post by gooddecisions on Nov 30, 2016 21:01:43 GMT -5
I agree, but that's the other part of maternity leave. The basic recovery part is what I think should be covered. The other part should be covered out of personal savings, etc. I believe 4-6 weeks is plenty to recover from a vaginal birth. Like Miss T said, you are usually up and walking fine within a week or two. Heck, I was crawling up the stairs by Day 3 or 4 because I had to. That's not the same thing as saying I could have stood up for 7 hours to teach. Some jobs lend themselves to sitting, but teaching isn't one of them if you do it right. But I could have done it after a month. I could have driven a car after a month, but the doctor wouldn't let you. Can you imagine? I think if we could separate the medical from the bonding aspect, society would do better. The medical should be routinely provided through short-term disability insurance or whatever. Even Miss Tequila could arrange coverage for 4-6 weeks. The maternity/paternity part would be a perk like tuition reimbursement or extra PTO. Except for some fields, it wouldn't have to be all or nothing. Letting women come back half-time for the next six weeks at full pay would serve both the mother's needs and the company's. A lot of work can be done at home, and the stuff that can't could be done in the half-time part in the office. The real problem is that we aren't thinking outside the box. It really isn't all or nothing once you get past the basic recovery part. This is actually pretty close to how my company does their 16 week parental leave benefit. The first 6 weeks are STD and after that it's bonding time. Salary is paid by insurance in both instances. I assume for men and employees who adopt a child or baby, all 16 weeks are bonding time.
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Post by gooddecisions on Nov 30, 2016 21:05:31 GMT -5
Again...that comes down to wanting to stay home with the baby. There is no physical reason a woman can't work after a few weeks post-partum. She might not want to (I didn't want to) but she physically can. You went on about no sleep, hormones, etc. Somehow Americans power through it. I guess we are just a tougher breed You also have more child poverty and more women on welfare. Have fun being a "tougher breed." Not to mention a President Elect who sends out reams of pugnacious tweets over every perceived slight. Tougher breed, indeed! We Americans are our own worse enemy. Pop that baby out, hand that tiny baby over to daycare and get back to work or quit and stay home. There is very little appetite for progress.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 30, 2016 21:07:58 GMT -5
I was told not to drive for a few days. I had stitches and they were probably thinking that I could end up popping a stitch getting in and out of the car. Little did they know I spent 3 hours in a car for my grandfather's funeral three days after having Abby. I can say I did not pop a stitch but I sure was walking funny after sitting in the car that long.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 30, 2016 21:27:01 GMT -5
I went to the grocery store the day after I got out of the hospital. I could walk and drive. Even the old rule about not taking a newborn out in public because of diseases was lifted. I'm not sure if I had stitches or not.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 30, 2016 21:34:03 GMT -5
I went to dr end of January. She was born the beginning and I got cleared to go back to work so I did. She was a decent sleeper though. I went to sleep at 8 when my son did. Ex stayed up and fed her at 11 and I got up at 2. He did the 5:30 one and then I did the one right before daycare. She didn't have to be 6 weeks either. DS was because he was a July baby who was supposed to be August. He decided to come early. Plus we started after Labor Day when he was born. He was NOT a good sleeper so I was grateful for those few extra weeks. I had no help at the time.
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Post by taz157 on Nov 30, 2016 21:41:42 GMT -5
I wasn't to drive for 2 weeks after I had DD, but that was because I had a c-section with her. I was more than ready to drive when I could. FWIW, I wasn't to drive for a bit (maybe 1-1.5 weeks) after I had my breast reduction either (not covered by STD, but did use PTO to cover time off).
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2016 22:31:19 GMT -5
You also have more child poverty and more women on welfare. Have fun being a "tougher breed." Not to mention a President Elect who sends out reams of pugnacious tweets over every perceived slight. Tougher breed, indeed! So Canada doesn't have child poverty or women on welfare? Because if having an extended maternity leave is the be-all, end-all to women not being poor, then Canada should have none.
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Where did I say we have NO child poverty, or NO women on welfare? Make stuff up, much?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 30, 2016 22:54:20 GMT -5
So Canada doesn't have child poverty or women on welfare? Because if having an extended maternity leave is the be-all, end-all to women not being poor, then Canada should have none.
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Where did I say we have NO child poverty, or NO women on welfare? Make stuff up, much? i asked a question not a statement. I will never understand why you are so hell bent on changing our country. You like your country and I like mine. I don't want the taxpayers paying for my choices.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2016 23:22:54 GMT -5
Where did I say we have NO child poverty, or NO women on welfare? Make stuff up, much? i asked a question not a statement. I will never understand why you are so hell bent on changing our country. You like your country and I like mine. I don't want the taxpayers paying for my choices. God forbid you change for the better! God forbid you examine how other countries do things better and reevaluate what you're doing! Nope, not gonna happen! Because You're Number One!!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 1, 2016 0:33:32 GMT -5
I was told not to drive either. For how long? I don't remember being told not to drive. Maybe a few days? But I wasn't going anywhere the first few days I don't remember.... I do remember that I wasn't allowed to pick up anything heavier than a baby, thus my IL"s visit that lasted 6 wks. THAT I can never forget!
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 1, 2016 0:46:11 GMT -5
It's cute how you think it's only about getting back to work as soon as you stop bleeding. It's cute how you think women are so delicate that they can't handle lack of sleep and hormones. Yet women in America do it every day To be fair, American rates of PPD are at least double those of other countries. We may power through but we surely aren't better off for it.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 1, 2016 2:12:14 GMT -5
It's cute how you think women are so delicate that they can't handle lack of sleep and hormones. Yet women in America do it every day To be fair, American rates of PPD are at least double those of other countries. We may power through but we surely aren't better off for it. I think it's because not only are we expected to work full time but have and totally take care of any children that might come our way plus a lot of us are stuck with some useless child/man who is more trouble than he's worth. Not to mention all the housework. It's a raw deal and it's depressing.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 1, 2016 5:50:39 GMT -5
Why ever not? I was perfectly capable of driving. I had a c-section. I felt perfectly fine until I was driving, then I felt really out of it, like I was drunk pr high or something. Very weird.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 1, 2016 6:47:11 GMT -5
i asked a question not a statement. I will never understand why you are so hell bent on changing our country. You like your country and I like mine. I don't want the taxpayers paying for my choices. God forbid you change for the better! God forbid you examine how other countries do things better and reevaluate what you're doing! Nope, not gonna happen! Because You're Number One!! I find this comment hysterical because I have yet to see you say one thing negative about your country. All you ever post is why America sucks and how we should do it the Canadian way. Because that's not arrogant at all
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 1, 2016 6:48:14 GMT -5
Why ever not? I was perfectly capable of driving. I had a c-section. I felt perfectly fine until I was driving, then I felt really out of it, like I was drunk pr high or something. Very weird. That's major surgery though. I don't know why someone can't drive after a vaginal birth after a few days.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 1, 2016 7:19:52 GMT -5
I had a c-section. I felt perfectly fine until I was driving, then I felt really out of it, like I was drunk pr high or something. Very weird. That's major surgery though. I don't know why someone can't drive after a vaginal birth after a few days. They are both major surgery one just doesn't necessarily get anesthesia. IICR it is because driving uses the same muscles that childbirth does. After giving birth those muscles all need to heal. And depending on how the seat is, or is it a stick shift, it can require stretching that is not recommonded for a few weeks. I did know a women who went back to work less than a week after giving birth. She was really sure of herself and said she was fine and needed to get back to work. Well one minute she was fine and the next she had fainted. I have never heard of another person having this happen but then again I have never known anyone else who went back to work a week later either.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 1, 2016 7:27:34 GMT -5
That's major surgery though. I don't know why someone can't drive after a vaginal birth after a few days. They are both major surgery one just doesn't necessarily get anesthesia. IICR it is because driving uses the same muscles that childbirth does. After giving birth those muscles all need to heal. And depending on how the seat is, or is it a stick shift, it can require stretching that is not recommonded for a few weeks. I did know a women who went back to work less than a week after giving birth. She was really sure of herself and said she was fine and needed to get back to work. Well one minute she was fine and the next she had fainted. I have never heard of another person having this happen but then again I have never known anyone else who went back to work a week later either. I donf think anyone doctor would clear a woman to return to work after a week. I did have a colleague get cleared after 4 weeks and she returned. I get that our bodies need to heal. But it should not take longer to recover from child birth than other surgeries/procedures. I had a hysterectomy and was back to work in less than two weeks. And that was cleared by my surgeon.
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Post by yogiii on Dec 1, 2016 7:34:51 GMT -5
I felt 100% within 5 minutes of giving birth to both of my kids, no drugs fast births (still waiting for my two medals )
However, I was bleeding fairly heavy for 6 weeks after. There is no way I'd want to be at work, or working under that circumstance. Then there is all the stuff having to do with the actual baby, like no sleep and 24/7 crying with my son.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 1, 2016 7:55:39 GMT -5
They are both major surgery one just doesn't necessarily get anesthesia. IICR it is because driving uses the same muscles that childbirth does. After giving birth those muscles all need to heal. And depending on how the seat is, or is it a stick shift, it can require stretching that is not recommonded for a few weeks. I did know a women who went back to work less than a week after giving birth. She was really sure of herself and said she was fine and needed to get back to work. Well one minute she was fine and the next she had fainted. I have never heard of another person having this happen but then again I have never known anyone else who went back to work a week later either. I donf think anyone doctor would clear a woman to return to work after a week. I did have a colleague get cleared after 4 weeks and she returned. I get that our bodies need to heal. But it should not take longer to recover from child birth than other surgeries/procedures. I had a hysterectomy and was back to work in less than two weeks. And that was cleared by my surgeon. I don't know that the Dr clears them but I read somewhere that a large percent are back at work in like two weeks. I couldn't have done that physically but it seems people do. I'm guessing that they don't qualify for any maternity leave so since no leave papers had to be filed no back to work papers have to be filed either. Personally I was only advocating for 6 to 8 weeks postpartum disability. I think that is a clean easy distinction to make and would help the vast majority of people.
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Post by justme on Dec 1, 2016 8:54:58 GMT -5
Yea, but isn't the difference that if you have surgery they either stitch up or cauterize any wounds where as after birth you just have a quasi open wound where the placenta used to be plus any additional stitches you had.
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