A confession of liberal intolerance

[Politically_Incorrect12]

 WE progressives believe in diversity, and we want women, blacks, Latinos, gays and Muslims at the table — er, so long as they aren’t conservatives.
 Universities are the bedrock of progressive values, but the one kind of diversity that universities disregard is ideological and religious. We’re fine with people who don’t look like us, as long as they think like us.



O.K., that’s a little harsh. But consider George Yancey, a sociologist who is black and evangelical.
 “Outside of academia I faced more problems as a black,” he told me. “But inside academia I face more problems as a Christian, and it is not even close.”



I’ve been thinking about this because on Facebook recently I wondered aloud whether universities stigmatize conservatives and undermine intellectual diversity. The scornful reaction from my fellow liberals proved the point.

“Much of the ‘conservative’ worldview consists of ideas that are known empirically to be false,” said Carmi.

“The truth has a liberal slant,” wrote Michelle.

“Why stop there?” asked Steven. “How about we make faculties more diverse by hiring idiots?”

To me, the conversation illuminated primarily liberal arrogance — the implication that conservatives don’t have anything significant to add to the discussion. My Facebook followers have incredible compassion for war victims in South Sudan, for kids who have been trafficked, even for abused chickens, but no obvious empathy for conservative scholars facing discrimination.

Read more at:  www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0


Interesting opinion piece and something that seems to be talked about more since the election.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 16, 2016 21:09:07 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

 WE progressives believe in diversity, and we want women, blacks, Latinos, gays and Muslims at the table — er, so long as they aren’t conservatives.

precisely why, as a LIBERAL, i don't identify with progressives.

might want to change your thread title. 

i have no problem with conservatives, whatsoever.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 16, 2016 21:25:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 16, 2016 21:09:07 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

precisely why, as a LIBERAL, i don't identify with progressives.

might want to change your thread title. 

i have no problem with conservatives, whatsoever.

Thread title is usually just the title of the articles when I post them (unless they are too long and then it's some variation).

[buystoys]

Interesting article.  I wonder if anyone is willing to listen to the message though.

[billisonboard]

Definitely a good article to invoke thought.

[gooddecisions]

I see the point. Just speaking for myself, I'd be a lot more accepting of religion if religion were doing a better job teaching its followers to be accepting and tolerant. For example, I don't like that religious people can blatantly discriminate against LGBT by claiming that "traditional marriage" needs to be upheld by the law.  I've never had a problem with religion and was once a weekly church-goer; but unfortunately the more inequality and intolerance I see, the more anti-religious I'm becoming.

[Phoenix84]

This has been a long running criticism of progressives.  They expose tolerance and acceptance until they don't.

[Lizard Queen]

It's the danger of extremism from either side.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 17, 2016 10:32:51 GMT -5 gooddecisions said:

I see the point. Just speaking for myself, I'd be a lot more accepting of religion if religion were doing a better job teaching its followers to be accepting and tolerant. For example, I don't like that religious people can blatantly discriminate against LGBT by claiming that "traditional marriage" needs to be upheld by the law.  I've never had a problem with religion and was once a weekly church-goer; but unfortunately the more inequality and intolerance I see, the more anti-religious I'm becoming.

This.
The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian"
 My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty.  In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it.  

I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in.  I've come to despise their hypocrisy.  And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 16, 2016 21:39:34 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Nov 16, 2016 21:25:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

precisely why, as a LIBERAL, i don't identify with progressives.

might want to change your thread title. 

i have no problem with conservatives, whatsoever.

Thread title is usually just the title of the articles when I post them (unless they are too long and then it's some variation).

ime, thread titles are generally inaccurate, and designed to bait people into reading/posting.  congratulations.

[billisonboard]

One of my better professors talked one time about the job of a "professor".  He said that he had studied/continued to study his area of expertise extensively and had come to conclusions as to what was "truth".  He told us that he professed that truth in his lectures and that it was our job as college students to evaluate that truth for ourselves.  The article addresses the issue that there is a limited supply of professors offering to college students a truth that would be considered conservative or religious.  I think that is a legitimate concern.

That is a different issue then my unwillingness to tolerate fools.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 17, 2016 10:28:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Definitely a good article to invoke thought.

definitely.  and not nearly as cut and dry on subject as the OP might lead one to believe.

[billisonboard]

Nov 17, 2016 12:03:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 17, 2016 10:28:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Definitely a good article to invoke thought.

definitely.  and not nearly as cut and dry on subject as the OP might lead one to believe.

The article is a discussion of diversity in the make-up of the professor corp of colleges and universities in the country. I am not sure how appropriate it is to generalize what it says to other settings or the general population.

[toshmanta]

I am intolerant of people who claim their ideas are supernatural.

[verrip1]

Nov 17, 2016 12:15:08 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

I am intolerant of people who claim their ideas are supernatural.

There's a lot of that going around.

[Deleted]

Nov 17, 2016 10:58:41 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 17, 2016 10:32:51 GMT -5 gooddecisions said:

I see the point. Just speaking for myself, I'd be a lot more accepting of religion if religion were doing a better job teaching its followers to be accepting and tolerant. For example, I don't like that religious people can blatantly discriminate against LGBT by claiming that "traditional marriage" needs to be upheld by the law.  I've never had a problem with religion and was once a weekly church-goer; but unfortunately the more inequality and intolerance I see, the more anti-religious I'm becoming.

This.
The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian"
 My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty.  In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it.  

I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in.  I've come to despise their hypocrisy.  And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.

So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country.  Now that is an idea that scares me.  Where is your stance discrimination. ?

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 17, 2016 12:46:44 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Nov 17, 2016 10:58:41 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

This.
The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian"
 My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty.  In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it.  

I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in.  I've come to despise their hypocrisy.  And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.

So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country.  Now that is an idea that scares me.  Where is your stance discrimination. ?

Way to misquote me Diogenes.  Please refrain from twisting my words into something I absolutely ely did NOT say. 

[djAdvocate]

Nov 17, 2016 18:32:53 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

Nov 17, 2016 12:15:08 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

I am intolerant of people who claim their ideas are supernatural.

I'm intolerant of ideas (not people) that claim their ideas are infallible, whether that's due to supernatural reasons or just because "everyone knows"

i will tolerate any claim that withstands the rigors of scrutiny and reason.

[Deleted]

Nov 17, 2016 14:37:02 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 17, 2016 12:46:44 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country.  Now that is an idea that scares me.  Where is your stance on discrimination. ?

Way to misquote me virgil. Please refrain from twisting my words into something I absolutely ely did NOT say. 

I'm not Virgil.   Maybe you can clarify why you feel threatened.   Otherwise there is no twist in my statements regarding what I bolded in your post (reply #15)   Example; are these Christians doing something illegal that threatens you ?

[Gardening Grandma]

Fixed my post - with apologies to virgil

[movingforward]

Nov 17, 2016 12:46:44 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Nov 17, 2016 10:58:41 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

This.
The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian"
 My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty.  In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it.  

I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in.  I've come to despise their hypocrisy.  And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.

So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country.  Now that is an idea that scares me.  Where is your stance discrimination. ?

They shouldn't be allowed to make laws based on their individual religious beliefs.  No where did she say they shouldn't take part in the legal democratic process.

[movingforward]

The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change.  A lot of people fear change.  There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category.  A fear of change is actually natural for most people.  The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person.  Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal.  I am respectful of their beliefs.  They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs.  

The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people.  If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you.  That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it.  If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you.  Pray anytime you want.  To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time.  This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to!

This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives.  In fact, I can become downright annoyed.

 

[Politically_Incorrect12]

 Jon Stewart criticizes ‘hypocrisy’ on the left over Trump voters


Silent through much of the 2016 election except for some notable appearances on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” Jon Stewart offered extensive thoughts on the election of Donald Trump, and the left’s reaction to it, in an interview that aired Thursday on “CBS This Morning.”



The comedian, famous for dressing down hypocritical politicians and pundits during his 16 years as host of the “Daily Show,” zeroed in on commentary about Trump voters by some liberals.


“I thought Donald Trump disqualified himself at numerous points. But there is now this idea that anyone who voted for him has to be defined by the worst of his rhetoric. In the liberal community, you hate this idea of creating people as a monolith. Don’t look at Muslims as a monolith, they are individuals, and it would be ignorance,” Stewart said. “But everybody who voted for Donald Trump is a monolith, is a racist. That hypocrisy is also real in our country.”

Read more at: www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/11/17/jon-stewart-criticizes-hypocrisy-left-over-trump-voters/raPNEmLmSEOYpIpl0NPe1K/story.html

[toshmanta]

Nov 17, 2016 19:09:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 17, 2016 18:32:53 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

I'm intolerant of ideas (not people) that claim their ideas are infallible, whether that's due to supernatural reasons or just because "everyone knows"

i will tolerate any claim that withstands the rigors of scrutiny and reason.

I am not sure Bronze Age morality from an invisible man withstands either tbh.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 19, 2016 8:50:27 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Nov 17, 2016 19:09:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i will tolerate any claim that withstands the rigors of scrutiny and reason.

I am not sure Bronze Age morality from an invisible man withstands either tbh.

I'm guessing a lot of intelligent people, even by your standards, would disagree with you.  

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 18, 2016 16:41:47 GMT -5 movingforward said:

The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change.  A lot of people fear change.  There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category.  A fear of change is actually natural for most people.  The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person.  Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal.  I am respectful of their beliefs.  They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs.  

The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people.  If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you.  That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it.  If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you.  Pray anytime you want.  To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time.  This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to!

This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives.  In fact, I can become downright annoyed.

 

And I think liberals are intolerant of my rights. Two people marrying had nothing to do with me so I don't care. But liberals can't stop at that. Nope,now I'm supposed to accept men in my locker rooms and bathrooms. Where are my rights and the rights of people who don't want the opposite see in the locker rooms? Where are my rights in regards to national security? I don't want illegals in my country, I don't want lax border security and I don't want to take in refugees from countries where the citizens wants to kill us. Do liberals care? Nope

[billisonboard]

Nov 19, 2016 13:31:50 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 18, 2016 16:41:47 GMT -5 movingforward said:

The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change.  A lot of people fear change.  There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category.  A fear of change is actually natural for most people.  The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person.  Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal.  I am respectful of their beliefs.  They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs.  

The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people.  If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you.  That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it.  If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you.  Pray anytime you want.  To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time.  This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to!

This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives.  In fact, I can become downright annoyed.

 

And I think liberals are intolerant of my rights. Two people marrying had nothing to do with me so I don't care. But liberals can't stop at that. Nope,now I'm supposed to accept men in my locker rooms and bathrooms. Where are my rights and the rights of people who don't want the opposite see in the locker rooms? Where are my rights in regards to national security? I don't want illegals in my country, I don't want lax border security and I don't want to take in refugees from countries where the citizens wants to kill us. Do liberals care? Nope

You don't have a right to get what you want.

[toshmanta]

Nov 19, 2016 13:31:50 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 18, 2016 16:41:47 GMT -5 movingforward said:

The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change.  A lot of people fear change.  There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category.  A fear of change is actually natural for most people.  The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person.  Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal.  I am respectful of their beliefs.  They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs.  

The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people.  If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you.  That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it.  If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you.  Pray anytime you want.  To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time.  This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to!

This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives.  In fact, I can become downright annoyed.

 

And I think liberals are intolerant of my rights. Two people marrying had nothing to do with me so I don't care. But liberals can't stop at that. Nope,now I'm supposed to accept men in my locker rooms and bathrooms. Where are my rights and the rights of people who don't want the opposite see in the locker rooms? Where are my rights in regards to national security? I don't want illegals in my country, I don't want lax border security and I don't want to take in refugees from countries where the citizens wants to kill us. Do liberals care? Nope

There is nothing wrong with sharing a locker room or bathroom with Donald Trump, is there ?

[dondub]

  If liberals didn't care they wouldn't have elected the deporter-in-chief...twice. If liberals didn't care there wouldn't be a lengthy vetting process for refugees, no matter what countries they come from. Of course liberals care about national security.

  Why do conservatives start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan making us less safe for the rest of our lives? Why do Repo businesses hire illegals to cheat Americans out of jobs? Why has the Repo controlled Congress done nothing about securing borders or the illegal problem? How many times has any poster here found a man in the women's loo?

[dondub]

There is nothing wrong with sharing a locker room or bathroom with Donald Trump, is there ?  
 

Only if he's #1. No #2.