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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 16, 2016 21:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 16, 2016 21:25:00 GMT -5
precisely why, as a LIBERAL, i don't identify with progressives. might want to change your thread title. i have no problem with conservatives, whatsoever.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 16, 2016 21:39:34 GMT -5
precisely why, as a LIBERAL, i don't identify with progressives. might want to change your thread title. i have no problem with conservatives, whatsoever. Thread title is usually just the title of the articles when I post them (unless they are too long and then it's some variation).
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Post by buystoys on Nov 17, 2016 9:52:38 GMT -5
Interesting article. I wonder if anyone is willing to listen to the message though.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2016 10:28:34 GMT -5
Definitely a good article to invoke thought.
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Post by gooddecisions on Nov 17, 2016 10:32:51 GMT -5
I see the point. Just speaking for myself, I'd be a lot more accepting of religion if religion were doing a better job teaching its followers to be accepting and tolerant. For example, I don't like that religious people can blatantly discriminate against LGBT by claiming that "traditional marriage" needs to be upheld by the law. I've never had a problem with religion and was once a weekly church-goer; but unfortunately the more inequality and intolerance I see, the more anti-religious I'm becoming.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 17, 2016 10:35:44 GMT -5
This has been a long running criticism of progressives. They expose tolerance and acceptance until they don't.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 17, 2016 10:45:26 GMT -5
It's the danger of extremism from either side.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 17, 2016 10:58:41 GMT -5
I see the point. Just speaking for myself, I'd be a lot more accepting of religion if religion were doing a better job teaching its followers to be accepting and tolerant. For example, I don't like that religious people can blatantly discriminate against LGBT by claiming that "traditional marriage" needs to be upheld by the law. I've never had a problem with religion and was once a weekly church-goer; but unfortunately the more inequality and intolerance I see, the more anti-religious I'm becoming. This. The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian" My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty. In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it. I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in. I've come to despise their hypocrisy. And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2016 11:36:50 GMT -5
precisely why, as a LIBERAL, i don't identify with progressives. might want to change your thread title. i have no problem with conservatives, whatsoever. Thread title is usually just the title of the articles when I post them (unless they are too long and then it's some variation). ime, thread titles are generally inaccurate, and designed to bait people into reading/posting. congratulations.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2016 12:01:37 GMT -5
One of my better professors talked one time about the job of a "professor". He said that he had studied/continued to study his area of expertise extensively and had come to conclusions as to what was "truth". He told us that he professed that truth in his lectures and that it was our job as college students to evaluate that truth for ourselves. The article addresses the issue that there is a limited supply of professors offering to college students a truth that would be considered conservative or religious. I think that is a legitimate concern. That is a different issue then my unwillingness to tolerate fools.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2016 12:03:35 GMT -5
Definitely a good article to invoke thought. definitely. and not nearly as cut and dry on subject as the OP might lead one to believe.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2016 12:13:45 GMT -5
Definitely a good article to invoke thought. definitely. and not nearly as cut and dry on subject as the OP might lead one to believe. The article is a discussion of diversity in the make-up of the professor corp of colleges and universities in the country. I am not sure how appropriate it is to generalize what it says to other settings or the general population.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 17, 2016 12:15:08 GMT -5
I am intolerant of people who claim their ideas are supernatural.
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 17, 2016 12:38:19 GMT -5
I am intolerant of people who claim their ideas are supernatural. There's a lot of that going around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:46:44 GMT -5
I see the point. Just speaking for myself, I'd be a lot more accepting of religion if religion were doing a better job teaching its followers to be accepting and tolerant. For example, I don't like that religious people can blatantly discriminate against LGBT by claiming that "traditional marriage" needs to be upheld by the law. I've never had a problem with religion and was once a weekly church-goer; but unfortunately the more inequality and intolerance I see, the more anti-religious I'm becoming. This. The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian" My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty. In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it. I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in. I've come to despise their hypocrisy. And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country. Now that is an idea that scares me. Where is your stance discrimination. ?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 17, 2016 14:37:02 GMT -5
This. The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian" My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty. In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it. I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in. I've come to despise their hypocrisy. And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country. Now that is an idea that scares me. Where is your stance discrimination. ? Way to misquote me Diogenes. Please refrain from twisting my words into something I absolutely ely did NOT say.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2016 19:09:08 GMT -5
I am intolerant of people who claim their ideas are supernatural. I'm intolerant of ideas (not people) that claim their ideas are infallible, whether that's due to supernatural reasons or just because "everyone knows" i will tolerate any claim that withstands the rigors of scrutiny and reason.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 13:32:09 GMT -5
So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country. Now that is an idea that scares me. Where is your stance on discrimination. ? Way to misquote me virgil. Please refrain from twisting my words into something I absolutely ely did NOT say. I'm not Virgil. Maybe you can clarify why you feel threatened. Otherwise there is no twist in my statements regarding what I bolded in your post (reply #15) Example; are these Christians doing something illegal that threatens you ?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 18, 2016 15:49:26 GMT -5
Fixed my post - with apologies to virgil
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Post by movingforward on Nov 18, 2016 16:13:39 GMT -5
This. The most hateful rhetoric I've seen the last 8 years has been from people who call themselves "Christian" My late mother was what I think of as a genuine Christian. She practiced compassion and honesty. In spite of growing up in the deep south during Jim Crow, she denounced racisn whenever she saw it. I don't thnk she would recognize the "Christians" today who are the antithesis of everything she believed in. I've come to despise their hypocrisy. And I feel threatened by their increasingly sucessful attempts to enforce their religious code through law.So Christians shouldn't be allowed to take part in the legal democratic process that constitutes this country. Now that is an idea that scares me. Where is your stance discrimination. ? They shouldn't be allowed to make laws based on their individual religious beliefs. No where did she say they shouldn't take part in the legal democratic process.
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Post by movingforward on Nov 18, 2016 16:41:47 GMT -5
The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change. A lot of people fear change. There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category. A fear of change is actually natural for most people. The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person. Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal. I am respectful of their beliefs. They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs.
The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people. If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you. That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it. If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you. Pray anytime you want. To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time. This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to!
This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives. In fact, I can become downright annoyed.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 18, 2016 17:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 19, 2016 8:50:27 GMT -5
I'm intolerant of ideas (not people) that claim their ideas are infallible, whether that's due to supernatural reasons or just because "everyone knows" i will tolerate any claim that withstands the rigors of scrutiny and reason. I am not sure Bronze Age morality from an invisible man withstands either tbh.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 19, 2016 13:03:40 GMT -5
i will tolerate any claim that withstands the rigors of scrutiny and reason. I am not sure Bronze Age morality from an invisible man withstands either tbh. I'm guessing a lot of intelligent people, even by your standards, would disagree with you.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 19, 2016 13:31:50 GMT -5
The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change. A lot of people fear change. There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category. A fear of change is actually natural for most people. The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person. Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal. I am respectful of their beliefs. They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs. The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people. If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you. That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it. If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you. Pray anytime you want. To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time. This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to! This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives. In fact, I can become downright annoyed. And I think liberals are intolerant of my rights. Two people marrying had nothing to do with me so I don't care. But liberals can't stop at that. Nope,now I'm supposed to accept men in my locker rooms and bathrooms. Where are my rights and the rights of people who don't want the opposite see in the locker rooms? Where are my rights in regards to national security? I don't want illegals in my country, I don't want lax border security and I don't want to take in refugees from countries where the citizens wants to kill us. Do liberals care? Nope
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 19, 2016 13:38:16 GMT -5
The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change. A lot of people fear change. There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category. A fear of change is actually natural for most people. The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person. Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal. I am respectful of their beliefs. They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs. The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people. If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you. That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it. If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you. Pray anytime you want. To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time. This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to! This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives. In fact, I can become downright annoyed. And I think liberals are intolerant of my rights. Two people marrying had nothing to do with me so I don't care. But liberals can't stop at that. Nope,now I'm supposed to accept men in my locker rooms and bathrooms. Where are my rights and the rights of people who don't want the opposite see in the locker rooms? Where are my rights in regards to national security? I don't want illegals in my country, I don't want lax border security and I don't want to take in refugees from countries where the citizens wants to kill us. Do liberals care? Nope You don't have a right to get what you want.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 19, 2016 13:47:59 GMT -5
The general definition of a conservative is having a resistance to change. A lot of people fear change. There are lots of individuals in all cultures and religions that fall into this category. A fear of change is actually natural for most people. The problem comes in when one person, or group of people, have a fear that starts to infringe upon the civil rights of another person. Conservatism in and of itself is not what liberals are intolerable of...I am agnostic and have friends who are Christians. I sit silently while they pray to their God before we eat a meal. I am respectful of their beliefs. They don't tell me how to live my life and I don't tell them how to live theirs. The problem only comes into existence when conservatives want to force their beliefs onto other people. If you don't believe in gay marriage then good for you...no one is making you. That doesn't give you the right to decide that people who are gay shouldn't have the right to be married because YOU happen to not believe in it. If you want to the pray then fine...no one is stopping you. Pray anytime you want. To my knowledge, people pray to themselves ALL the time. This doesn't mean that people around you are supposed to drop to their knees and pray just because YOU want to! This is where liberals do, in fact, start to become intolerant of conservatives. In fact, I can become downright annoyed. And I think liberals are intolerant of my rights. Two people marrying had nothing to do with me so I don't care. But liberals can't stop at that. Nope,now I'm supposed to accept men in my locker rooms and bathrooms. Where are my rights and the rights of people who don't want the opposite see in the locker rooms? Where are my rights in regards to national security? I don't want illegals in my country, I don't want lax border security and I don't want to take in refugees from countries where the citizens wants to kill us. Do liberals care? Nope There is nothing wrong with sharing a locker room or bathroom with Donald Trump, is there ?
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Post by dondub on Nov 19, 2016 13:48:55 GMT -5
If liberals didn't care they wouldn't have elected the deporter-in-chief...twice. If liberals didn't care there wouldn't be a lengthy vetting process for refugees, no matter what countries they come from. Of course liberals care about national security.
Why do conservatives start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan making us less safe for the rest of our lives? Why do Repo businesses hire illegals to cheat Americans out of jobs? Why has the Repo controlled Congress done nothing about securing borders or the illegal problem? How many times has any poster here found a man in the women's loo?
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Post by dondub on Nov 19, 2016 14:06:21 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with sharing a locker room or bathroom with Donald Trump, is there ?
Only if he's #1. No #2.
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