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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2016 12:07:45 GMT -5
It was clear that the Trump clan would not separate themselves from their business interests while engaged in the presidency. The American people decided that they wanted them in office. Choices have consequences. I think the American people need to see how their choice plays out.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 12:10:29 GMT -5
You can think what you will, Mr. Trump has NO obligation to make it easy on them. If this is how the left handles "Dinnergate"- they're going to LOVE the wall...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 17, 2016 12:12:57 GMT -5
You can think what you will, Mr. Trump has NO obligation to make it easy on them. If this is how the left handles "Dinnergate"- they're going to LOVE the wall... I believe the wall has been downgraded to a fence ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) Will it be a white picket fence or a nice wood fence? I prefer natural cedar, but that's justme.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 13:10:51 GMT -5
You can think what you will, Mr. Trump has NO obligation to make it easy on them. If this is how the left handles "Dinnergate"- they're going to LOVE the wall... They needed something new to echo about. After the win, taxrecordreleasegate wasn't attracting the attention anymore. May that class war agitation technique, die a quick death.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 17, 2016 13:49:19 GMT -5
I had read that and personally felt no biggie....guy wanted to have a private / semi public but with other diners , steak dinner with family...So what. ... I agree that the dinner was no biggie also. That is why I recommended reading the whole article because it contains things that are significant. The article mentions (ibid., for all): - "A week after the election, Trump hasn't yet held a press conference, the longest any recent president has waited to speak to the press"
- "Trump has also refused to travel with the press corps since the election, a continuation of his campaign practice of flying in a separate plane from the media that covered him."
- "The media covering the president-elect have also not yet been offered briefings on his transition efforts, which was a typical practice for past presidents"
- "until recently, Trump's staff weren't releasing readouts of his calls with foreign leaders"
1 and 3... sort of... help to justify their conclusion. Of course, bear in mind that the NYT compared Mr. Trump's transitioning to a knife fight. I'm not sure America is really suffering by missing out on all the "objective" details.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 17, 2016 13:56:56 GMT -5
You can think what you will, Mr. Trump has NO obligation to make it easy on them. If this is how the left handles "Dinnergate"- they're going to LOVE the wall... I believe the wall has been downgraded to a fence ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) Will it be a white picket fence or a nice wood fence? I prefer natural cedar, but that's justme. It will probably just be a guy who deals in stolen goods.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 13:59:11 GMT -5
At least now when I point out that the NY Times is not a reliable source and anyone objects, I can direct them to the NY Times.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 14:05:36 GMT -5
His daughter will be advertising her clothing and jewelry too. I hope he learns how much depends on the president and tries to live up to his obligations. It does age them with stress not just hard work. Imagine knowing millions of people could die if you aren't careful and he isn't good at careful. He can mess up bigly, it will be huge. " Imagine knowing millions of people could die if you aren't careful and he isn't good at careful. He can mess up bigly, it will be huge."I had read somewhere that Nixon was participating in some war scenario while on Air Force 1..scenario was a attack on USA by the Soviets and they came to him for a decision of a response...and in considering that , he was questioning what results would/might be for both countries and others... Supposedly he was so shocked by how few choices he had..and what most likely be the result of..what the results probably would be, that , supposedly, was when he decided to send Kissinger to China to make a approach..the reasoning being the Soviets would see that their two major foes possible getting together..not good for them..giving us more choices if the worst came about and naturally opening up a dialogue with China that benefits us today.. I have to wonder as all this is explained to the Donald..the responsibility of and consequences of..if any of this new knowledge, reality of what could happen, influence him from his former caviler approach to the ok spreading of the nuclear option to Japan, Saudia Arabia, Korea and any other country who has the $ and expertise...also change his feelings of the deal with Iran..who with out that possible having a bomb today or very soon...and also have him wondering why did I get into this thing with the responsibilities in the first place. The fringe benefits..Camp David, Air Force 1..for someone like him , it is nothing...especially when he will have to curtail many things he would have done before..now he has consraints placed on him just because of the position he holds... Obama and Hillary are responsible for genocide on a scale which hasn't been seen since WWII. More than 500,000 people slaughtered- beheaded, drowned in cages, boiled in oil, set on fire, raped to death- including children. It would be hard to fuck up as bigly as Barry.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 14:08:07 GMT -5
Also, I would point out that Trump was the ONLY even potential world leader not beating the drum for war with Russia. Why should we be hostile towards Russia? They're the only ones killing ISIS right now....oh, wait. Nevermind.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 17, 2016 14:10:48 GMT -5
" Imagine knowing millions of people could die if you aren't careful and he isn't good at careful. He can mess up bigly, it will be huge."I had read somewhere that Nixon was participating in some war scenario while on Air Force 1..scenario was a attack on USA by the Soviets and they came to him for a decision of a response...and in considering that , he was questioning what results would/might be for both countries and others... Supposedly he was so shocked by how few choices he had..and what most likely be the result of..what the results probably would be, that , supposedly, was when he decided to send Kissinger to China to make a approach..the reasoning being the Soviets would see that their two major foes possible getting together..not good for them..giving us more choices if the worst came about and naturally opening up a dialogue with China that benefits us today.. I have to wonder as all this is explained to the Donald..the responsibility of and consequences of..if any of this new knowledge, reality of what could happen, influence him from his former caviler approach to the ok spreading of the nuclear option to Japan, Saudia Arabia, Korea and any other country who has the $ and expertise...also change his feelings of the deal with Iran..who with out that possible having a bomb today or very soon...and also have him wondering why did I get into this thing with the responsibilities in the first place. The fringe benefits..Camp David, Air Force 1..for someone like him , it is nothing...especially when he will have to curtail many things he would have done before..now he has consraints placed on him just because of the position he holds... Obama and Hillary are responsible for genocide on a scale which hasn't been seen since WWII. More than 500,000 people slaughtered- beheaded, drowned in cages, boiled in oil, set on fire, raped to death- including children. It would be hard to fuck up as bigly as Barry. Huh....and I thought u were a seriouse contributer...lol...oh well...ciao
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 14:12:44 GMT -5
Also, I would point out that Trump was the ONLY even potential world leader not beating the drum for war with Russia. Why should we be hostile towards Russia? They're the only ones killing ISIS right now....oh, wait. Nevermind. I'll kind of give you a pass on that- because I don't disagree with making nice with the Russians, to the extent that we can. Of course you can trust Putin to be the snake in the grass that he is, and as long as Trump is aware of that- I'm guessing he is- I'm ok with playing nice with the Ruskies. We didn't have to like Stalin to agree to kill NAZIs.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 14:42:10 GMT -5
I liked that, and I hope it wasn't a mistake to. I don't want to go too far with the Nazi thing, because it doesn't equate to the ME or even ISIL, as evil as they are. But, point about cooperation taken. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) We just got a late start with the NAZIs. The NAZI's that surrendered in 1945 on the verge of developing their own atom bomb were the ISIS of 1933.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 15:44:52 GMT -5
That is true. We probably should have had some kind of "vetting process" for Germans.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 15:46:47 GMT -5
Obama and Hillary are responsible for genocide on a scale which hasn't been seen since WWII. More than 500,000 people slaughtered- beheaded, drowned in cages, boiled in oil, set on fire, raped to death- including children. It would be hard to fuck up as bigly as Barry. Huh....and I thought u were a seriouse contributer...lol...oh well...ciao Only for those that have a natural curiosity and who care about the concept of objective truth.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 17, 2016 16:10:58 GMT -5
Huh....and I thought u were a seriouse contributer...lol...oh well...ciao Only for those that have a natural curiosity and who care about the concept of objective truth. Well by how u decide who is and who is not a war criminal , have the blood of many on their hand, I would suggest put me on ignore because by your standards and from a past of mine as a person as a leader, I definitly have blood on my hands..possible similer to the two you are harping on..doing what is is part of the calling of the moment..just the way it is and was...and that my friend is part of " the concept of objective truth".. " It would be hard to fuck up as bigly as Barry."...Regarding the above...now this is a guess but believe you are referring, as our new POTUS elect wrongly accused the man of causing the rise of ISIS because he pulled the troops from IRAQ. If so..then u and he are just spreading untruths...he pulled the troops because he had no choice ..UNLESS u feel he should have gone against the deal..stayed in country with out permission of the IRAQUIS...THE PM MALACKI in partcular...who refused to give what we always have when troops stationed in country..for US troops misadventures..the US military is responsible for trials and punishments..Levenworth is usually the Prison..Court Marshall the trial part..and Malacki would not sign off on that..having made a deal with the IRANIANS..great influence in IRAQ and they wanted US out..deal was Malacki wanted another term..Iran guaranteed that..Malacki got the extra term..
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2016 18:32:14 GMT -5
I agree that the dinner was no biggie also. That is why I recommended reading the whole article because it contains things that are significant. The article mentions (ibid., for all): - "A week after the election, Trump hasn't yet held a press conference, the longest any recent president has waited to speak to the press"
- "Trump has also refused to travel with the press corps since the election, a continuation of his campaign practice of flying in a separate plane from the media that covered him."
- "The media covering the president-elect have also not yet been offered briefings on his transition efforts, which was a typical practice for past presidents"
- "until recently, Trump's staff weren't releasing readouts of his calls with foreign leaders"
1 and 3... sort of... help to justify their conclusion. Of course, bear in mind that the NYT compared Mr. Trump's transitioning to a knife fight. I'm not sure America is really suffering by missing out on all the "objective" details. I liked but want to comment further on this. Great look at the entirety of the article and commenting on its substance and not just a spin of it. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 17, 2016 19:08:28 GMT -5
The article mentions (ibid., for all): - "A week after the election, Trump hasn't yet held a press conference, the longest any recent president has waited to speak to the press"
- "Trump has also refused to travel with the press corps since the election, a continuation of his campaign practice of flying in a separate plane from the media that covered him."
- "The media covering the president-elect have also not yet been offered briefings on his transition efforts, which was a typical practice for past presidents"
- "until recently, Trump's staff weren't releasing readouts of his calls with foreign leaders"
1 and 3... sort of... help to justify their conclusion. Of course, bear in mind that the NYT compared Mr. Trump's transitioning to a knife fight. I'm not sure America is really suffering by missing out on all the "objective" details. I liked but want to comment further on this. Great look at the entirety of the article and commenting on its substance and not just a spin of it. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png) I complain about the US MSM being "totally" useless but that's an exaggeration (a slight exaggeration). They're still the best conduit of day-to-day business information between government and the people, mainly because they're the only ones with access to it. This whole affair with Mr. Trump snubbing them stinks because there's no side for the angels. The news agencies are the man's sworn enemies and he has every reason to believe they'll try to hang him with whatever he gives them. At the same time, they're the only medium through which Americans get a look inside the politics of his administration, which is critical for the accountability and well-functioning of government. It's just plain dysfunctional.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 17, 2016 19:23:56 GMT -5
Back to the original OP
I don't have a problem with the Trump's having dinner without the press.
Maybe the press is miffed because they were not offered dinner?
As long as the family dined in a secure area, what is the big deal?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2016 20:09:17 GMT -5
Back to the original OP I don't have a problem with the Trump's having dinner without the press. Maybe the press is miffed because they were not offered dinner? As long as the family dined in a secure area, what is the big deal? And back to my original response, I recommend reading the article to get the full story.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 17, 2016 21:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 18, 2016 10:37:26 GMT -5
Only for those that have a natural curiosity and who care about the concept of objective truth. Well by how u decide who is and who is not a war criminal , have the blood of many on their hand, I would suggest put me on ignore because by your standards and from a past of mine as a person as a leader, I definitly have blood on my hands..possible similer to the two you are harping on..doing what is is part of the calling of the moment..just the way it is and was...and that my friend is part of " the concept of objective truth".. " It would be hard to fuck up as bigly as Barry."...Regarding the above...now this is a guess but believe you are referring, as our new POTUS elect wrongly accused the man of causing the rise of ISIS because he pulled the troops from IRAQ. If so..then u and he are just spreading untruths...he pulled the troops because he had no choice ..UNLESS u feel he should have gone against the deal..stayed in country with out permission of the IRAQUIS...THE PM MALACKI in partcular...who refused to give what we always have when troops stationed in country..for US troops misadventures..the US military is responsible for trials and punishments..Levenworth is usually the Prison..Court Marshall the trial part..and Malacki would not sign off on that..having made a deal with the IRANIANS..great influence in IRAQ and they wanted US out..deal was Malacki wanted another term..Iran guaranteed that..Malacki got the extra term.. I am not calling Obama a war criminal. I'm saying his policies have failed, and that had tremendous negative consequences. Obama OWNS the power vacuum in the Middle East and the rise of ISIS. He just does. He has been a catastrophic foreign policy failure in addition to a destructive force on the domestic front. A well-rounded disaster. I'm sorry for all the people that can't see it- but thankfully, we're in a position to fix it now. I would caution the GOP, however: there are no longer any excuses. If you don't fix this mess, you'll own this mess.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 18, 2016 10:42:51 GMT -5
Well by how u decide who is and who is not a war criminal , have the blood of many on their hand, I would suggest put me on ignore because by your standards and from a past of mine as a person as a leader, I definitly have blood on my hands..possible similer to the two you are harping on..doing what is is part of the calling of the moment..just the way it is and was...and that my friend is part of " the concept of objective truth".. " It would be hard to fuck up as bigly as Barry."...Regarding the above...now this is a guess but believe you are referring, as our new POTUS elect wrongly accused the man of causing the rise of ISIS because he pulled the troops from IRAQ. If so..then u and he are just spreading untruths...he pulled the troops because he had no choice ..UNLESS u feel he should have gone against the deal..stayed in country with out permission of the IRAQUIS...THE PM MALACKI in partcular...who refused to give what we always have when troops stationed in country..for US troops misadventures..the US military is responsible for trials and punishments..Levenworth is usually the Prison..Court Marshall the trial part..and Malacki would not sign off on that..having made a deal with the IRANIANS..great influence in IRAQ and they wanted US out..deal was Malacki wanted another term..Iran guaranteed that..Malacki got the extra term.. I am not calling Obama a war criminal. I'm saying his policies have failed, and that had tremendous negative consequences. Obama OWNS the power vacuum in the Middle East and the rise of ISIS. He just does. He has been a catastrophic foreign policy failure in addition to a destructive force on the domestic front. A well-rounded disaster. I'm sorry for all the people that can't see it- but thankfully, we're in a position to fix it now. I would caution the GOP, however: there are no longer any excuses. If you don't fix this mess, you'll own this mess. "Obama OWNS the power vacuum in the Middle East and the rise of ISIS"
We were warned back in 2001. that starting a war in Iraq could create a power vacuum that would lead to the rise of violent extremist groups.... Obama was elected in 2008 in case you've forgotten. Seven years later.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 18, 2016 10:48:14 GMT -5
I am not calling Obama a war criminal. I'm saying his policies have failed, and that had tremendous negative consequences. Obama OWNS the power vacuum in the Middle East and the rise of ISIS. He just does. He has been a catastrophic foreign policy failure in addition to a destructive force on the domestic front. A well-rounded disaster. I'm sorry for all the people that can't see it- but thankfully, we're in a position to fix it now. I would caution the GOP, however: there are no longer any excuses. If you don't fix this mess, you'll own this mess. "Obama OWNS the power vacuum in the Middle East and the rise of ISIS"
We were warned back in 2001. that starting a war in Iraq could create a power vacuum that would lead to the rise of violent extremist groups.... Obama was elected in 2008 in case you've forgotten. Seven years later. So, you're saying Obama came into office actually KNOWING what would happen- and he did it anyway? Well, that's a little stronger than my position. I just think he's an inexperienced, naive little twerp.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 18, 2016 10:53:29 GMT -5
"Obama OWNS the power vacuum in the Middle East and the rise of ISIS"
We were warned back in 2001. that starting a war in Iraq could create a power vacuum that would lead to the rise of violent extremist groups.... Obama was elected in 2008 in case you've forgotten. Seven years later. So, you're saying Obama came into office actually KNOWING what would happen- and he did it anyway? Well, that's a little stronger than my position. I just think he's an inexperienced, naive little twerp. No. I am NOT saying that. And I will thank you to NOT twist my words! Obama came into office AFTER we had already ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq and killed 100s of thousand men, womwn and children. The seeds had ALREADY been sewn when he was elected. He inherited a quagmire in the middle east that was created by your guy. It really should not even be necessary to remind you of the inconvenient facts, but the far right seems intent on rewriting history. So to be clear - it was Bush who ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 22, 2016 16:20:42 GMT -5
So, you're saying Obama came into office actually KNOWING what would happen- and he did it anyway? Well, that's a little stronger than my position. I just think he's an inexperienced, naive little twerp. No. I am NOT saying that. And I will thank you to NOT twist my words! Obama came into office AFTER we had already ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq and killed 100s of thousand men, womwn and children. The seeds had ALREADY been sewn when he was elected. He inherited a quagmire in the middle east that was created by your guy. It really should not even be necessary to remind you of the inconvenient facts, but the far right seems intent on rewriting history. So to be clear - it was Bush who ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq. Nope, nope- not twisting. You just re-iterated that Obama came into office AFTER we had already ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq. So, he knew. OR, he didn't know because what? He wasn't paying attention? Or he didn't believe them- he's stupid? You backed yourself into a corner all by yourself. These are the options.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 22, 2016 18:29:20 GMT -5
No. I am NOT saying that. And I will thank you to NOT twist my words! Obama came into office AFTER we had already ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq and killed 100s of thousand men, womwn and children. The seeds had ALREADY been sewn when he was elected. He inherited a quagmire in the middle east that was created by your guy. It really should not even be necessary to remind you of the inconvenient facts, but the far right seems intent on rewriting history. So to be clear - it was Bush who ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq. Nope, nope- not twisting. You just re-iterated that Obama came into office AFTER we had already ignored the warnings and attacked Iraq. So, he knew. OR, he didn't know because what? He wasn't paying attention? Or he didn't believe them- he's stupid? You backed yourself into a corner all by yourself. These are the options. Hillary Clinton's still alive. What's up with that?
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 22, 2016 20:08:50 GMT -5
And ISIS was a little bitty acorn when Hillary/Obama were in power, that exploded into a full grown movement. So either: A. neither of them knew about ISIS, which means they were negligent in their jobs (especially Hillary) B. They did know about ISIS and just didn't do anything, in which case there is a lot of innocent blood on their hands. From what I remember ..the ISIS problem started way before ISIS was even thought of as anything..anomosity against new government started when Iraqui military officers , police and also any Bathest were dismissed from their posts by appointed by Bush , the US administrator of the conquored country... When new Iraqui government under our appointed PM Malacki did not accept Sunni Bathest into the governing of the country , former officials, military people who were now unemployed went about forming resistence to US occupiers of the country and also Malickis government too...and when Malicki would not agree to our , USA , own administrating legal control over US troops...we had no choice but to withdraw US forces from the country..as agreed by Bush earlier. I guess we could have forced our stay there by force..who would stop us..beyond more deaths by IUD's...violated what we had signed as a agreement..not how Obama operates..Possible not how the Donald will operate..possible he would ignore agreements and stayed by force.. The out of work Sunni leadership, many then went about forming ISIS , recruiting and all...
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