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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 16:18:27 GMT -5
Besides being illegal and wrong, violence and destroying property does not endear anyone to your cause. That is not protesting, that is just being violent and destroying property.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 12, 2016 16:38:15 GMT -5
Just more Democrats/liberals showing their hypocrisy. When right-leaning individuals hated that Obama was elected, the left called them racists and told them to grow up and accept his presidency. Now that the leftist candidate lost, the same "rational" individuals are holding protests, looting and destroying property, and yelling out "Not My President." Just like what happens EVERY TIME the left loses something - letting off tantrums like the children they are. Just think what they would have said if Republicans/conservatives had held protests, damaged property, etc after Obama's election wins? So, as always, hypocritical douche... Well the GOP had a six year temper tantrum, so I'll give the democrats a week or so to get over the shock and regroup. Well said and so true....
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Post by jkapp on Nov 12, 2016 16:47:06 GMT -5
Just more Democrats/liberals showing their hypocrisy. When right-leaning individuals hated that Obama was elected, the left called them racists and told them to grow up and accept his presidency. Now that the leftist candidate lost, the same "rational" individuals are holding protests, looting and destroying property, and yelling out "Not My President." Just like what happens EVERY TIME the left loses something - letting off tantrums like the children they are. Just think what they would have said if Republicans/conservatives had held protests, damaged property, etc after Obama's election wins? So, as always, hypocritical douche... Well the GOP had a six year temper tantrum, so I'll give the democrats a week or so to get over the shock and regroup. And how much vandalism and destruction was caused by the anti-Obama crowd? I don't remember hearing about much of anything...you would think that would have been headline news at the time.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 12, 2016 17:18:57 GMT -5
Well the GOP had a six year temper tantrum, so I'll give the democrats a week or so to get over the shock and regroup. And how much vandalism and destruction was caused by the anti-Obama crowd? I don't remember hearing about much of anything...you would think that would have been headline news at the time. Six years of the party of no...u really t hink no damage was done to the country..
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Post by buystoys on Nov 12, 2016 17:43:54 GMT -5
Yet the other day a couple of people here were saying that the Democrats should obstruct and block in Congress as much as possible. So, is it because the Democrats need to make the point of how much damage is done rather than try to participate in dialogue to find positions of compromise that no one is happy with but we can all live with?
I'd prefer everyone just try to get along. Kinda like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren who have already stated they want to move on issues we all feel are important.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 12, 2016 17:51:15 GMT -5
Yet the other day a couple of people here were saying that the Democrats should obstruct and block in Congress as much as possible. So, is it because the Democrats need to make the point of how much damage is done rather than try to participate in dialogue to find positions of compromise that no one is happy with but we can all live with? I'd prefer everyone just try to get along. Kinda like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren who have already stated they want to move on issues we all feel are important. You make a very good point...for the sake of the country , dialogue and good intentions should be the order of the day........................................then again a little payback wouldn't be out of the equation
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Post by buystoys on Nov 12, 2016 18:00:33 GMT -5
deziloooooo, I know it may be naive. But I'm willing to be naive on some things. I truly hope that this election cycle gets a LOT of people to look very closely in their own mirrors. We, the citizens of this wonderful country, ARE much better than the behavior others have seen the past several years. BOTH sides have done quite a bit of posturing. It hasn't worked very well and the populace has noticed. I honestly believe that the EXTREME majority of the populace has noticed. Our leaders have let themselves become complacent in their roles rather than guiding our country to perform and look its best. And I say that about EVERY leader here, no matter what level of government they are filling. Stances and positions are important. But they can't become the objective or we will surely split apart. Only by intentional dialogue, speaking to each other in order to understand various points of view, can we move forward. Speaking to create sound bites doesn't work any longer if it ever really did. I hope BOTH parties are now willing to come to the middle of the road and work together to roll down it. So we zig a little left in this section and a little right on that one. But once we are moving again, the only thing that can stop us is our own complacency and comfort with where we are.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 12, 2016 18:10:35 GMT -5
Yet the other day a couple of people here were saying that the Democrats should obstruct and block in Congress as much as possible. So, is it because the Democrats need to make the point of how much damage is done rather than try to participate in dialogue to find positions of compromise that no one is happy with but we can all live with? I'd prefer everyone just try to get along. Kinda like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren who have already stated they want to move on issues we all feel are important. Democrats should use whatever means are at their disposal to avoid being run over roughshod. They should not roll over and pretend they don't represent half the country. Certainly they should try dialogue first, but that hasn't been very effective with the party of NO. The minority party in the House does not have much power. The minority party in the Senate has the fillibuster, which they have not used anywhere near as much as the Republicans did when they were in the minority. Of course McConnell could nuke the fillibuster, but he knows that can come back to bite them the next time they are the minority party.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 12, 2016 18:11:40 GMT -5
deziloooooo , I know it may be naive. But I'm willing to be naive on some things. I truly hope that this election cycle gets a LOT of people to look very closely in their own mirrors. We, the citizens of this wonderful country, ARE much better than the behavior others have seen the past several years. BOTH sides have done quite a bit of posturing. It hasn't worked very well and the populace has noticed. I honestly believe that the EXTREME majority of the populace has noticed. Our leaders have let themselves become complacent in their roles rather than guiding our country to perform and look its best. And I say that about EVERY leader here, no matter what level of government they are filling. Stances and positions are important. But they can't become the objective or we will surely split apart. Only by intentional dialogue, speaking to each other in order to understand various points of view, can we move forward. Speaking to create sound bites doesn't work any longer if it ever really did. I hope BOTH parties are now willing to come to the middle of the road and work together to roll down it. So we zig a little left in this section and a little right on that one. But once we are moving again, the only thing that can stop us is our own complacency and comfort with where we are. good points and in time something to look forward to...but first have to level the playing field a bit and possible the best way for that to happen.............................................a little pay back?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 12, 2016 18:15:08 GMT -5
As far as the demonstrations (back to the OP), all the focus here seems to be on the unfortunate violence in Portland, and to a lesser extent the traffic jams in CA.
But over the country, the majority of demonstrations are peaceful. I am happy to see them because it shows the world that half the country did not lose their collective minds.
I predict a LOT of demonstrations on Jan 20. Not everyone is pleased to be represented by a racist fascist demagogging sexual predator
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Post by dondub on Nov 12, 2016 18:26:59 GMT -5
We had a peaceful protest downtown. No violence.
From what I am now reading it's just as I expected and have stated earlier. This is the anarchist group operating in Portland. They cover up and infiltrate the crowds and then commit mayhem. I believe they are headquartered in Eugene. It's actually possible they would have rioted if Hillary won. They aren't for anybody but are against most everything. Assholes give peaceful protesters a bad name.
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Post by buystoys on Nov 12, 2016 18:29:48 GMT -5
Well, if most people feel that they need to get even, then we'll continue down a bad path for a longer time. Since it looks like that is how some of the posters here feel, then I suspect we will just become more and more divided. Both sides feel justified in their positions, so we all will lose. Just recognize that you are as much of the problem as those you are pointing your fingers at.
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Post by emma1420 on Nov 12, 2016 19:45:20 GMT -5
Yet the other day a couple of people here were saying that the Democrats should obstruct and block in Congress as much as possible. So, is it because the Democrats need to make the point of how much damage is done rather than try to participate in dialogue to find positions of compromise that no one is happy with but we can all live with? I'd prefer everyone just try to get along. Kinda like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren who have already stated they want to move on issues we all feel are important. I will hold the democrats to the standard that the republicans set over the last 6 years. Besides, Trump shouldn't need the democrats, he's got majorities in both houses. Although, I think that may be a bigger challenge for him. As for the protesters, I respect those people to protest peacefully. As I've said before, I think it's a waste of time. Trump is going to be the President. No amount of protesting will change that fact. And instead of protesting, those people would be better off getting involved at the local office, especially in the red states.
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Post by buystoys on Nov 12, 2016 19:54:35 GMT -5
As is your right, by all means. I wouldn't want to deny that to anyone.
However, tit for tat never benefited anyone. Playing that game is a losing proposition for us all. If that's where we're going, so be it. Just acknowledge and accept it up front. And also accept that seeing action like that has potential for alienating those who would prefer to see both sides work together for a change.
I still prefer to believe that cooler heads will prevail and we will see leaders once again willing to cross the aisle and accomplish what is truly in the best interests of our country.
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Post by emma1420 on Nov 12, 2016 20:08:06 GMT -5
As is your right, by all means. I wouldn't want to deny that to anyone. However, tit for tat never benefited anyone. Playing that game is a losing proposition for us all. If that's where we're going, so be it. Just acknowledge and accept it up front. And also accept that seeing action like that has potential for alienating those who would prefer to see both sides work together for a change. I still prefer to believe that cooler heads will prevail and we will see leaders once again willing to cross the aisle and accomplish what is truly in the best interests of our country. I am sure that some democrats will work with the administration on things that they can work them on. Because, in general, when the democrats are in the minority tend to work with the majority. Even though the reverse isn't true. However, given Trumps agenda I think there is very little that they could work with him on, because the majority of his policies he is proposing are extreme. I mean they aren't going to work with him on building the wall (however, I also don't think republicans will work with him on that either), they aren't going to work with him on a ban on muslims, they won't work with him on tax reform (as it basically benefits the richest 1%), etc. And they shouldn't because it violate their core values. And there are millions of people that they represent who agree with them.
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Post by lynnerself on Nov 12, 2016 20:23:20 GMT -5
I'm taking DD out for her birthday dinner in Portland tomorrow. Definitely choosing a restaurant NOT in downtown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 20:23:45 GMT -5
If I were inclined to participate in a peaceful protest, which I am not, it would be because I do feel alienated. So that has already happened with people that wish both sides would work together.
I think fear helped Trump get elected. And his election sparked fear in others, hence the protests.
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Post by cronewitch on Nov 12, 2016 20:46:24 GMT -5
I don't protest but do think counseling might be in order for some of the people who have a lot of stress. I am a republican against Trump and had stress waiting for the election and more since. I have been getting worse and now cry some times. I am waiting to see how bad it will get. So far I only have spoken to one person all week and ended up crying and angry, now spent the day feeling sad and scared. I am 68 and have never needed mental health care but if I can't figure out how to get past this and forgive the people who voted for him I might need to. The college students are so young and if they lost their families too they may need help. I personal am giving up things like speaking to Trump supporters and have tried to stay off Facebook and unfollowing people. I might stay off this board too if it keeps being a trigger to my stress. I am all alone all the time and message boards and facebook were important to me.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 12, 2016 21:41:28 GMT -5
As is your right, by all means. I wouldn't want to deny that to anyone. However, tit for tat never benefited anyone. Playing that game is a losing proposition for us all. If that's where we're going, so be it. Just acknowledge and accept it up front. And also accept that seeing action like that has potential for alienating those who would prefer to see both sides work together for a change. I still prefer to believe that cooler heads will prevail and we will see leaders once again willing to cross the aisle and accomplish what is truly in the best interests of our country. For six years that never happened..even policies the GOP were in favor of previously when it was proposed by the Dems the answer to the proposal, a big "NO"...why do u feel now there should be a kum by ja feeling from the defeated party...know one ever accused either party of being full of SAINTS...
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Post by sesfw on Nov 12, 2016 22:04:46 GMT -5
I am all alone all the time and message boards and facebook were important to me.
I know about the 'alone' feeling ...... it gets you right in the gut.
Is there any volunteer work you can do? If nothing else, just to get out of the house and away from the computer?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2016 10:22:34 GMT -5
As far as the demonstrations (back to the OP), all the focus here seems to be on the unfortunate violence in Portland, and to a lesser extent the traffic jams in CA. But over the country, the majority of demonstrations are peaceful. I am happy to see them because it shows the world that half the country did not lose their collective minds. I predict a LOT of demonstrations on Jan 20. Not everyone is pleased to be represented by a racist fascist demagogging sexual predator Protesting now and even on/around January 20 is a waste of time and energy. Trump will be sworn into office with or without protests. There will be a number of decisions by Trump and the Republican controlled House and Senate to protest during the next few years. Save the passion and beliefs for what is right and just for those times.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2016 10:49:49 GMT -5
I don't protest but do think counseling might be in order for some of the people who have a lot of stress. I am a republican against Trump and had stress waiting for the election and more since. I have been getting worse and now cry some times. I am waiting to see how bad it will get. So far I only have spoken to one person all week and ended up crying and angry, now spent the day feeling sad and scared. I am 68 and have never needed mental health care but if I can't figure out how to get past this and forgive the people who voted for him I might need to. The college students are so young and if they lost their families too they may need help. I personal am giving up things like speaking to Trump supporters and have tried to stay off Facebook and unfollowing people. I might stay off this board too if it keeps being a trigger to my stress. I am all alone all the time and message boards and facebook were important to me. I can't stay off of it either. I post most of the time either early in the morning or late at night, My work keeps interfering with my posting!
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 13, 2016 15:06:53 GMT -5
As is your right, by all means. I wouldn't want to deny that to anyone. However, tit for tat never benefited anyone. Playing that game is a losing proposition for us all. If that's where we're going, so be it. Just acknowledge and accept it up front. And also accept that seeing action like that has potential for alienating those who would prefer to see both sides work together for a change. I still prefer to believe that cooler heads will prevail and we will see leaders once again willing to cross the aisle and accomplish what is truly in the best interests of our country. I am sure that some democrats will work with the administration on things that they can work them on. Because, in general, when the democrats are in the minority tend to work with the majority. Even though the reverse isn't true. However, given Trumps agenda I think there is very little that they could work with him on, because the majority of his policies he is proposing are extreme. I mean they aren't going to work with him on building the wall (however, I also don't think republicans will work with him on that either), they aren't going to work with him on a ban on muslims, they won't work with him on tax reform (as it basically benefits the richest 1%), etc. And they shouldn't because it violate their core values. And there are millions of people that they represent who agree with them. Interesting "logic" you have there. When Democrats are in the minority they are more willing to work with Republicans than Republicans are willing to work with them, AS LONG AS it is things they can work with them on; but when they don't work with the majority, it's still Republicans fault for not being willing to give Democrats something they can work with. However, the same logic doesn't get applied to when Republicans don't work with Democrats.
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Post by emma1420 on Nov 13, 2016 15:48:12 GMT -5
I am sure that some democrats will work with the administration on things that they can work them on. Because, in general, when the democrats are in the minority tend to work with the majority. Even though the reverse isn't true. However, given Trumps agenda I think there is very little that they could work with him on, because the majority of his policies he is proposing are extreme. I mean they aren't going to work with him on building the wall (however, I also don't think republicans will work with him on that either), they aren't going to work with him on a ban on muslims, they won't work with him on tax reform (as it basically benefits the richest 1%), etc. And they shouldn't because it violate their core values. And there are millions of people that they represent who agree with them. Interesting "logic" you have there. When Democrats are in the minority they are more willing to work with Republicans than Republicans are willing to work with them, AS LONG AS it is things they can work with them on; but when they don't work with the majority, it's still Republicans fault for not being willing to give Democrats something they can work with. However, the same logic doesn't get applied to when Republicans don't work with Democrats. As I said I'm sure that Dems will work with Trump on some things. Just like they did with Bush. For example, infrastructure spending, I'm sure they will work with Trump on. I don't expect the Republicans to violate their core values, so why should the democrats be expected to? But, the republicans spent 8 years not giving an inch on anything, even when it was originally their idea.
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Post by cronewitch on Nov 14, 2016 0:14:20 GMT -5
I am all alone all the time and message boards and facebook were important to me.
I know about the 'alone' feeling ...... it gets you right in the gut. Is there any volunteer work you can do? If nothing else, just to get out of the house and away from the computer? I think I am all better now. I had a very long conversation with my ISO and now he understands. My brother posted something about getting along with people who voted for the other candidate then called and invited me to go with him next Saturday to visit our elderly aunt and we didn't talk politics. His wife doesn't let him talk politics in front of her so if she comes too with their son who is driving we can go all day without politics then Thanksgiving will be ok. I think I might have convinced my ISO to agree to pro choice when he has always been pro life. In 30 years with him I haven't even been upset by politics before so he actually listened. I unfollowed a half dozen or more haters on facebook but only one of my brother since he won't stop.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 14, 2016 10:24:50 GMT -5
I unfollowed a half dozen or more haters on facebook but only one of my brother since he won't stop.I kept my FB page as clean as possible during this whole campaign. I would rather know what you had for lunch than a political rant. I get enough of them on this page, don't need to get it on FB also ............
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 14, 2016 22:30:20 GMT -5
I unfollowed a half dozen or more haters on facebook but only one of my brother since he won't stop.I kept my FB page as clean as possible during this whole campaign. I would rather know what you had for lunch than a political rant.I get enough of them on this page, don't need to get it on FB also ............ I posted the below on the political jokes thread on the first of this month.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 15, 2016 10:15:35 GMT -5
Great minds think alike ............
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2016 10:55:50 GMT -5
CNN is reporting that there are anti-Trump protests in many U.S. cities. It seems pointless to me. Anyone here have any thoughts regarding the protests? It's a pointless gesture. He's going to be president weather they like it or not. I'd expect it to taper off and then resurface around inauguration time, and then taper off again as people get bored with it.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2016 11:00:16 GMT -5
If Trump supporters had wanted to peacefully organize and protest Hillary winning then that is their first amendment right to do so. If anyone becomes violent or starts vandalizing/looting then it's a different story.One of the things that makes America great is if we don't like our president elect we have the right to say so. We have the right to disagree publicly with our government. Personally I do think time would be better spent organizing and getting active for when he starts trying to roll out his policies. Start laying the groundwork for various movements so when the time comes the message is clear. But history has proven that they think looting and vandalizing is their first amendment right to do so!!!!! Free sneakers, electronics and TV's for all. Yep, let's knock over and loot a liquor store for justice.
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