Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,286
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 10, 2016 15:27:24 GMT -5
Texas has been on this path for years, forget it they put it to a vote recently?
Scotland also toyed with, and chose to remain with the UK. But after brexit, they were rethinking.
|
|
Apple
Junior Associate
Always travel with a sense of humor
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 15:51:04 GMT -5
Posts: 9,938
Mini-Profile Name Color: dc0e29
|
Post by Apple on Nov 10, 2016 15:30:13 GMT -5
I don't care about peaceful protest, whatever you're into, go for it. However, rioting and blocking the freeway (I-5, like in California and Oregon), is not part of that right. People are trying to get home, to and from hospitals, get to work, etc. You don't have the right to block them. You want to do that, get a permit and get a scheduled shut down so people can plan a different route. People who cause accidents that get the freeway shut down are usually assholes (although there are some unavoidable true accidents). Protesters who shut down the freeways are assholes too (no exception for this one). WOW that's a step up from breaking into stores stealing TV, electronics, and sneakers. That is usually the norm. Higher class protesters maybe Portland hipsters... Not necessarily higher class, just special. My son has been the kid in the ambulance before, so the chance that a baby could for because someone wanted to complain is a bit of a sore spot.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 42,241
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Nov 10, 2016 15:36:33 GMT -5
Hasn't Texas been threatening to off and on for years? Unfortunately nothing will come of it. Why O why couldn't have Kaisch taken one for the team and become Trump's VP.
|
|
Apple
Junior Associate
Always travel with a sense of humor
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 15:51:04 GMT -5
Posts: 9,938
Mini-Profile Name Color: dc0e29
|
Post by Apple on Nov 10, 2016 15:50:33 GMT -5
I don't care about peaceful protest, whatever you're into, go for it. However, rioting and blocking the freeway (I-5, like in California and Oregon), is not part of that right. People are trying to get home, to and from hospitals, get to work, etc. You don't have the right to block them. You want to do that, get a permit and get a scheduled shut down so people can plan a different route. People who cause accidents that get the freeway shut down are usually assholes (although there are some unavoidable true accidents). Protesters who shut down the freeways are assholes too (no exception for this one). WOW that's a step up from breaking into stores stealing TV, electronics, and sneakers. That is usually the norm. Higher class protesters maybe Portland hipsters... Not necessarily higher class, just special. My son has been the kid in the ambulance before, so the chance that a baby could die because someone wanted to complain is a bit of a sore spot.
|
|
pappyjohn99
Familiar Member
The driveway needs a little work.
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 1:01:13 GMT -5
Posts: 928
|
Post by pappyjohn99 on Nov 10, 2016 16:20:17 GMT -5
|
|
NoNamePerson
Distinguished Associate
Is There Anybody OUT There?
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 17:03:17 GMT -5
Posts: 26,202
Location: WITNESS PROTECTION
Member is Online
|
Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 10, 2016 16:35:56 GMT -5
WOW that's a step up from breaking into stores stealing TV, electronics, and sneakers. That is usually the norm. Higher class protesters maybe Portland hipsters... Not necessarily higher class, just special. My son has been the kid in the ambulance before, so the chance that a baby could die because someone wanted to complain is a bit of a sore spot. Do hope you saw the sarcastic thingy. Cause it was intended to be sarcastic!! That had to be scary with your son.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Oct 3, 2024 22:20:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 17:30:48 GMT -5
Protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, HOWEVER,protesting about the result of the democratic process is in effect rejecting democracy, rather ironic the protesters call themselves DEMOCRATS. It's actually not a democracy. That's why he won...
|
|
ken a.k.a OMK
Senior Associate
They killed Kenny, the bastards.
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 14:39:20 GMT -5
Posts: 14,234
Location: Maryland
|
Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 10, 2016 17:36:32 GMT -5
I think you mean Trump. He called everyone names and threatened violence on protesters. But way are people rehashing this? It's over. Trumps remarks are recorded if anyone forgot them.
|
|
b2r
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:35:25 GMT -5
Posts: 7,257
|
Post by b2r on Nov 10, 2016 19:19:45 GMT -5
|
|
Miss Tequila
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
Posts: 20,602
|
Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 19:48:53 GMT -5
Yes, just a peaceful protest to show the world how the Hillary supporters just want to express their sadness..
Kyle Ludowitz was left with a fractured cheekbone and abrasions when four people attacked him on Wednesday night as he took photos of them looting businesses.
The 27-year-old was hospitalized and had both his cameras destroyed in the attack.
He told the San Francisco Chronicle he had never experienced anything like it - even in his five years covering wars in the Middle East.
Mr Ludowitz said his attackers were anarchists wearing masks and they hit and kicked him repeatedly.
More than 6,000 protesters - some masked - were seen on the streets of Oakland on Wednesday night when an initially peaceful march down a cop-lined street turned nasty.
Some protesters threw bottles at officers and torched a police car, while an office block was also attacked, smeared with 'f*** Trump' and 'kill Trump' graffiti.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3925606/Photojournalist-attacked-covering-anti-Trump-protest-Oakland.html#ixzz4PemGzbRn Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3925606/Photojournalist-attacked-covering-anti-Trump-protest-Oakland.html
|
|
Miss Tequila
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
Posts: 20,602
|
Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 19:50:17 GMT -5
And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary If Hillary had won I expected Trump supporters to protest. I would expect riots as well. I'd expect them to be worse actually. Because the right has a history of rioting and burning down their neighborhoods when they don't get their way??
ETA: I's sad that you can't just say this is wrong. Instead you look into a crystal ball and make assumptions...yet no one rioted when Obama won...a black man!
|
|
dezailoooooo
Senior Associate
Joined: Aug 28, 2016 13:56:33 GMT -5
Posts: 13,630
|
Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 10, 2016 19:56:52 GMT -5
I thought the fate of the world hung in the balance with the peaceful transfer of power? And ,that if Trump didn't immediately concede that the world would collapse. Well, Hillary wimped out on that until today, though she did last night by phone. And, all the lectures we get by Dems about we should act before, during, and after an election never apply to them. How about that? Seems Hillery did just fine today..as far as not going hog wild last night..I expect her disappointment was a bit to much..better to do it right, which she did today after a good nights rest....
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,910
|
Post by zibazinski on Nov 10, 2016 19:57:57 GMT -5
I'd drive right over a protester on the street and I hope everyone would as well. Crybabies would have a real reason to cry then.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,910
|
Post by zibazinski on Nov 10, 2016 19:59:08 GMT -5
Judging by the crybabies here it's not surprising.
|
|
grumpyhermit
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jul 12, 2012 12:04:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,444
|
Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 10, 2016 20:03:10 GMT -5
Anti-Trump =/= Pro-Hillary. I am sure some of the people that are in these protests supported her, but I think this is more about anti-Trump sentiment. One group trying to mobilize the protests and marches is Socialist Alternative. They are not Hillary supporters; they endorsed Jill Stein.
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Nov 10, 2016 20:13:49 GMT -5
Murder isn't a solution.
|
|
toshmanta
Familiar Member
An evil man threw tobacco in the macaque-rhesus eyes.
Joined: Oct 29, 2016 15:29:57 GMT -5
Posts: 726
|
Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 20:22:37 GMT -5
It's actually not a democracy. That's why he won...
=================================
You are actually a constitutional federal representative democracy. , and that is why he won, you do not have to be a direct democracy to be defined as a democracy.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Oct 3, 2024 22:20:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 20:26:43 GMT -5
We are a republic. While today that has become nearly synonymous with representative democracy, that is not what the founders used or intended. So, pick.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,474
|
Post by Tennesseer on Nov 10, 2016 20:34:47 GMT -5
We would not approve of children taunting other children of other races in school, or childrenhwith disabilities in school. Hopefully, it is also wrong to taunt children of other ethnicities and cultures in school too. Royal Oak Middle School students chant 'Build that wall'One day after Republican candidate Donald Trump was elected president, some middle school students in Royal Oak chanted enthusiasm for one of his platform planks: building a wall between the United States and Mexico. The incident was captured on video and widely shared on Facebook. It took place at lunchtime at Royal Oak Middle School. As soon as the chants began, seventh-grader Josie Ramon, 12, said she pulled out her phone and captured the video to share with her mother. "Tears were running down my face," said Josie, who is Mexican-American. "I was so upset. A friend went to the bathroom crying. Everybody was chanting along with it. She was scared. She looked really upset. I felt really bad for her." "I knew I wanted evidence I could show my mom," Josie said. "It’s so unbelievably wrong. I had no tolerance of it so I recorded it." Alicia Ramon said her daughter discreetly recorded the video and sent it to her. After Ramon shared it with another parent, the video spread and eventually and inevitably made its way to Facebook. The short video shows students in a section of the cafeteria making a chant, as a student at a different table records. The video lasted only seconds. "This happened today at Royal Oak Middle School in Royal Oak, Michigan," wrote Dee Perez-Scott, who posted the video on Facebook on Wednesday. "It is so sad. Latino children were crying. The taunts, the 'Build that Wall' with such bullying power and hate from children to children. Just horrifying!" "We addressed this incident when it occurred. We are addressing it today," Royal Oak Schools superintendent Shawn Lewis-Lakin said in a statement. "We are working with our students to help them understand the impact of their words and actions on others in their school community," the statement continued. Royal Oak Middle School students chant 'Build that wall'
|
|
toshmanta
Familiar Member
An evil man threw tobacco in the macaque-rhesus eyes.
Joined: Oct 29, 2016 15:29:57 GMT -5
Posts: 726
|
Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 20:35:37 GMT -5
James Wilson, one of the main drafters of the Constitution and one of the first Supreme Court Justices, defended the Constitution in 1787 by speaking of the three forms of government being the “monarchical, aristocratical, and democratical,” and said that in a democracy the sovereign power is “inherent in the people, and is either exercised by themselves or by their representatives.” And Chief Justice John Marshall — who helped lead the fight in the 1788 Virginia Convention for ratifying the U.S. Constitution — likewise defended the Constitution in that convention by describing it as implementing “democracy” (as opposed to “despotism”), and without the need to even add the qualifier “representative.” www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/==================================================================================== You are picking at straws.
|
|
rob base
Well-Known Member
Joined: Aug 21, 2016 13:08:22 GMT -5
Posts: 1,433
|
Post by rob base on Nov 10, 2016 20:41:19 GMT -5
OMG students chanted "Build the Wall".... how TERRIBLE!....surely as equivalent as some of the protests turning violent against Trump
|
|
rob base
Well-Known Member
Joined: Aug 21, 2016 13:08:22 GMT -5
Posts: 1,433
|
Post by rob base on Nov 10, 2016 20:43:28 GMT -5
Yes, just a peaceful protest to show the world how the Hillary supporters just want to express their sadness..
Kyle Ludowitz was left with a fractured cheekbone and abrasions when four people attacked him on Wednesday night as he took photos of them looting businesses.
The 27-year-old was hospitalized and had both his cameras destroyed in the attack.
He told the San Francisco Chronicle he had never experienced anything like it - even in his five years covering wars in the Middle East.
Mr Ludowitz said his attackers were anarchists wearing masks and they hit and kicked him repeatedly.
More than 6,000 protesters - some masked - were seen on the streets of Oakland on Wednesday night when an initially peaceful march down a cop-lined street turned nasty.
Some protesters threw bottles at officers and torched a police car, while an office block was also attacked, smeared with 'f*** Trump' and 'kill Trump' graffiti.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3925606/Photojournalist-attacked-covering-anti-Trump-protest-Oakland.html#ixzz4PemGzbRn Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3925606/Photojournalist-attacked-covering-anti-Trump-protest-Oakland.html
MT be quiet, these are clearly the outliers and not representative of "normal" Dems / Hillary supporters.......but those handful of nut jobs here and there that talked about armed insurrection if Hillary was elected, well those represented ALL of Trump supporters.....
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 42,241
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Nov 10, 2016 20:49:48 GMT -5
If Hillary had won I expected Trump supporters to protest. I would expect riots as well. I'd expect them to be worse actually. Because the right has a history of rioting and burning down their neighborhoods when they don't get their way??
ETA: I's sad that you can't just say this is wrong. Instead you look into a crystal ball and make assumptions...yet no one rioted when Obama won...a black man!
Why are you making up opinions and pretending they are mine?
The only assumption I made was I expected Trump supporters to riot if Hillary won. Why? Because some of them pretty much said they would.
P.S. Two men burned down a black congregation's church in 2012 in anger of his re-election. And some people expected riots when Obama won.
ETA Its sad you want me to say things just to make you happy. I don't know what is in your head, but you are obviously projecting your desires to yell at a real or imagined liberal on me. Stop it. It's wrong. Happy?
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Nov 10, 2016 20:50:55 GMT -5
We've had the masked anarchists up here too during the WTO riots. I wouldn't say they are Hillary supporters. I would say they are anti-Trump. I don't recall them being 'for' anything.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 42,241
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Nov 10, 2016 20:51:36 GMT -5
I'd drive right over a protester on the street and I hope everyone would as well. Crybabies would have a real reason to cry then. Murder and jail time seems like a long term solution to a temporary problem.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 42,241
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Nov 10, 2016 20:53:47 GMT -5
This stuff isn't good on either side of the fence. I remember the time share king in Florida doing something similar with his numerous employees. He was anti-Obama.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Nov 10, 2016 20:55:45 GMT -5
I'd drive right over a protester on the street and I hope everyone would as well. Crybabies would have a real reason to cry then. I'm afraid I'd disappoint you. I'm not going to drive over someone because I disagree with them, or with what they're doing. I'm also not going to engage in rhetoric that makes it appear I would even consider doing such a thing.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 42,241
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Nov 10, 2016 20:56:16 GMT -5
Yes, just a peaceful protest to show the world how the Hillary supporters just want to express their sadness..
Kyle Ludowitz was left with a fractured cheekbone and abrasions when four people attacked him on Wednesday night as he took photos of them looting businesses.
The 27-year-old was hospitalized and had both his cameras destroyed in the attack.
He told the San Francisco Chronicle he had never experienced anything like it - even in his five years covering wars in the Middle East.
Mr Ludowitz said his attackers were anarchists wearing masks and they hit and kicked him repeatedly.
More than 6,000 protesters - some masked - were seen on the streets of Oakland on Wednesday night when an initially peaceful march down a cop-lined street turned nasty.
Some protesters threw bottles at officers and torched a police car, while an office block was also attacked, smeared with 'f*** Trump' and 'kill Trump' graffiti.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3925606/Photojournalist-attacked-covering-anti-Trump-protest-Oakland.html#ixzz4PemGzbRn Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3925606/Photojournalist-attacked-covering-anti-Trump-protest-Oakland.html
MT be quiet, these are clearly the outliers and not representative of "normal" Dems / Hillary supporters.......but those handful of nut jobs here and there that talked about armed insurrection if Hillary was elected, well those represented ALL of Trump supporters.....
Holy crap. Exaggerate much?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Oct 3, 2024 22:20:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 20:57:01 GMT -5
Again. How do you know they are not at work today.I don't ......... Are they at work and sharing all the physical damage they did the night before? Are they proud of being in a brawl? Wonder what their future will look like if they start bragging on social media? Later on some future employers might look at that unfavorably ...... especially if there are several candidates for the job and a couple have kept their pages clean. eta: Come on people, put on your adult panties and learn to deal with it. There are going to be a lot of things in life that won't go your way. Having a public melt-down is not a good way to handle disappointments. It was important to me to be there at the protest because I wanted the world to know that many do not want trump as president. IMO - it is an embarrassment on the world stage to have this racist, sexist buffoon as our president. You wanted him? good on you. You go and own that, and you own that 4 years from now. I didn't, and I want the world to know that I didn't. It is my 1st amendment right to do so. It is my first amendment right to say it, it is my first amendment right to assemble for peaceful protest, and while those right exist I will exercise them whenever I so please. I am very gainfully employed, thanks for asking, and I slept just fine last night. One of the reason I went to the protest was because I felt hopeless, and now I am full of hope. I will put this out to you all for your consideration: The GOP has won an election, and lost a generation. Good luck with that. I did not participate in any protest, but I most definitely understand the embarrassment and taking advantage of an opportunity to participate in something that peacefully shows the world that you reject the -isms that Trump represents. I am seriously struggling with the respect I have for the office of the President of the United States of America and the lack of respect I have for Donald Trump as a man. My lack of respect for him is all about him, his behavior and the crap that comes out of his mouth, before I even get into his ideas regarding politics. I can't even bring myself to use the title President-elect yet.....how do I show respect for someone who has none for me, as a woman and a minority? I am embarrassed, and honestly, I am afraid because his impulsive and reckless tendencies are dangerous qualities for our leader to have imo. None of the other problems will matter if he gets us all killed. This is one of those times that I really, really hope someone proves that I'm completely wrong in what I think about them.
|
|
Miss Tequila
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
Posts: 20,602
|
Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 21:00:28 GMT -5
Because the right has a history of rioting and burning down their neighborhoods when they don't get their way??
ETA: I's sad that you can't just say this is wrong. Instead you look into a crystal ball and make assumptions...yet no one rioted when Obama won...a black man!
Why are you making up opinions and pretending they are mine?
The only assumption I made was I expected Trump supporters to riot if Hillary won. Why? Because some of them pretty much said they would.
P.S. Two men burned down a black congregation's church in 2012 in anger of his re-election. And some people expected riots when Obama won.
ETA Its sad you want me to say things just to make you happy. I don't know what is in your head, but you are obviously projecting your desires to yell at a real or imagined liberal on me. Stop it. It's wrong. Happy?
I'm not trying to make you say anything. It is duly noted that you won't say that the violence in protest of trump is wrong.
|
|