Ugh...Job Interview today

[Bob Ross]

So later today, I go in for a third and final round of interviews, and TBH, I'm not sure why I'm doing it.

I already have another job offer that I'll probably take, and the place I'm interviewing at is on the WSJ's "Top 10 Worst Places to Work" list, the Glassdoor reviews reflect that, and I can already tell that it's pretty disorganized based on prior interviews I've done.  This third round wasn't even supposed to happen, but they asked for it, so I complied like a sheep.

The one thing though is that it's big money.  Significantly more that my current offer.  Will I make the same mistake that I did with my last job and chase the big paycheck into a toxic environment and end up miserable?  Only time will tell.

I will say that if I end up doing that, it will be all of YOUR faults...for being money-chasing, money-grubbing influencers and all. 

I'm half-tempted to sabotage myself during this thing so the choice never comes up, but I'm not wired to do that. 

Oh well, wish me (no) luck! 

[lexxy703]

If you get the offer for this job can you use the big salary as leverage to get more from the place you want to work?

[rob base]

List a breakdown of all ur expenses and the deets of the compensation package of each job and we will let u know whether u can "afford" to take the lower paying (less toxic / more happy) job or not. :-)

[Bob Ross]

Nov 2, 2016 12:41:34 GMT -5 lexxy703 said:

If you get the offer for this job can you use the big salary as leverage to get more from the place you want to work?

The thing is, I've already negotiated the other offer, and they met all my demands.  To try and do so again could very well prove risky. 

[swasat]

Absolutely no luck to you!!!

Fingers uncrossed and pooh-pooh your way.

You work in IT (like me) and I am in the same spot as you.   I switched jobs earlier this year and I already wish I can be out ASAP.

How long have you been at this toxic workplace?

[rob base]

Dude I recommend non toxic. Just left toxic in the dust. This job is a major step down but worth it for the break / positive work environment.

[Miss Tequila]

I second non-toxic! I am ready to jump ship and take less money in exchange for a better work environment. I can't say it is the people but since we were bought this summer my job has changed significantly and I hate it...not to mention the crazy demands of our new owners....double ugh!

I'm in a tough spot. I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit my one year severance....I can't find a job now and expect someone to wait six months but I don't know if I have the balls to quit with no job (keep in mind that I'm single so I'm obviously the breadwinner). I keep convincing myself to give my notice but I don't want to eat cat food

[Chocolate Lover]

Nov 2, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I second non-toxic! I am ready to jump ship and take less money in exchange for a better work environment. I can't say it is the people but since we were bought this summer my job has changed significantly and I hate it...not to mention the crazy demands of our new owners....double ugh!

I'm in a tough spot. I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit my one year severance....I can't find a job now and expect someone to wait six months but I don't know if I have the balls to quit with no job (keep in mind that I'm single so I'm obviously the breadwinner). I keep convincing myself to give my notice but I don't want to eat cat food

Would they actually keep you the 6 months or kick you to the curb when you give notice? Your luck, they'll keep you the whole time.

Bad luck to you Bob Ross!

[movingforward]

Nov 2, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I second non-toxic! I am ready to jump ship and take less money in exchange for a better work environment. I can't say it is the people but since we were bought this summer my job has changed significantly and I hate it...not to mention the crazy demands of our new owners....double ugh!

I'm in a tough spot. I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit my one year severance....I can't find a job now and expect someone to wait six months but I don't know if I have the balls to quit with no job (keep in mind that I'm single so I'm obviously the breadwinner). I keep convincing myself to give my notice but I don't want to eat cat food

You would get one year severance, right?  So that gives you a year to find a job.  I would think with your skills you could definitely find something within that amount of time.  I am not sure what the job market is like where you live though...

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 2, 2016 14:43:14 GMT -5 Chocolate Lover said:

Nov 2, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I second non-toxic! I am ready to jump ship and take less money in exchange for a better work environment. I can't say it is the people but since we were bought this summer my job has changed significantly and I hate it...not to mention the crazy demands of our new owners....double ugh!

I'm in a tough spot. I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit my one year severance....I can't find a job now and expect someone to wait six months but I don't know if I have the balls to quit with no job (keep in mind that I'm single so I'm obviously the breadwinner). I keep convincing myself to give my notice but I don't want to eat cat food

Would they actually keep you the 6 months or kick you to the curb when you give notice? Your luck, they'll keep you the whole time.

Bad luck to you Bob Ross !

They would keep me...maybe not the entire time but for a chunk of it. 

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 2, 2016 14:45:39 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Nov 2, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I second non-toxic! I am ready to jump ship and take less money in exchange for a better work environment. I can't say it is the people but since we were bought this summer my job has changed significantly and I hate it...not to mention the crazy demands of our new owners....double ugh!

I'm in a tough spot. I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit my one year severance....I can't find a job now and expect someone to wait six months but I don't know if I have the balls to quit with no job (keep in mind that I'm single so I'm obviously the breadwinner). I keep convincing myself to give my notice but I don't want to eat cat food

You would get one year severance, right?  So that gives you a year to find a job.  I would think with your skills you could definitely find something within that amount of time.  I am not sure what the job market is like where you live though...

That's what everyone tell me...and I seriously have almost given my notice a few times. But in the end I chicken out.  I'm currently rehabbing two investment properties so I might feel more comfortable once the rents on those 3 units are coming in.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack Bob's thread! Just giving my reason for voting for non-toxic over money!

[Bob Ross]

Well, I just got back from the interview.  It went pretty well and I'm pretty sure I'll get an offer.

However, one of the managers (who I'd be working for directly) played his cards a bit too honestly, which backed up all of my research and I can tell it will be quite an unpleasant, high stress place to work.

The salaries, benefits, etc for the two jobs are actually quite similar, but this job offers a sizable bonus on top of that, which would be nice, but DW and I are doing fine financially, so it would really just be extra $ to throw on the pile.

I've had 17+ years experience in decent jobs, but my last year was in a horrible job, although it paid really well.  As that job progressed, I recall thinking that the extra $ just wasn't worth it.  So now I think the choice is clear.  I'm going to take the non-toxic job.

I'm now glad I went on this interview, since info was made available that gave me a better assessment of the real situation.

[rob base]

Diminishing Marginal Returns

[TheOtherMe]

Good luck to you in your new non-toxic job!

[tskeeter]

Nov 2, 2016 15:58:40 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Well, I just got back from the interview.  It went pretty well and I'm pretty sure I'll get an offer.

However, one of the managers (who I'd be working for directly) played his cards a bit too honestly, which backed up all of my research and I can tell it will be quite an unpleasant, high stress place to work.

The salaries, benefits, etc for the two jobs are actually quite similar, but this job offers a sizable bonus on top of that, which would be nice, but DW and I are doing fine financially, so it would really just be extra $ to throw on the pile.

I've had 17+ years experience in decent jobs, but my last year was in a horrible job, although it paid really well.  As that job progressed, I recall thinking that the extra $ just wasn't worth it.  So now I think the choice is clear.  I'm going to take the non-toxic job.

I'm now glad I went on this interview, since info was made available that gave me a better assessment of the real situation.

Good choice on non-toxic, Bob.  Been there, done that, too.

[zibazinski]

I worked in a toxic job that didn't pay well. I'm not sure a big paycheck would have made up for it.

[NancysSummerSip]

Nov 2, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I second non-toxic! I am ready to jump ship and take less money in exchange for a better work environment. I can't say it is the people but since we were bought this summer my job has changed significantly and I hate it...not to mention the crazy demands of our new owners....double ugh!

I'm in a tough spot. I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit my one year severance....I can't find a job now and expect someone to wait six months but I don't know if I have the balls to quit with no job (keep in mind that I'm single so I'm obviously the breadwinner). I keep convincing myself to give my notice but I don't want to eat cat food

I totally see where Ms. T. is coming from. I am also trying to get out of an extremely toxic work environment, and worry less about the money than the work climate at this point. I need health insurance, but aside from that, have no kids or debt to worry about, so my flexibility is considerable. I am working on my exit strategy this weekend. And funny this topic comes up now...the state of FL just sent me notice that their newly revamped job search site will be online in January. I am still registered on the old one, so I will be able to use the new one automatically without registering a second time.

I vote for non-toxic over money any day. My current job pays well, but there is far too much unethical, illegal and downright boneheaded crap going on to make it worth the money.