SDR's - Tool of the NWO?

[frankq]

There are some out here that feel that if the U.S. can't unzip it's pants and show the world how well hung they are with the Dollar, that it means the end of "Truth, Justice and the American Way". They feel that SDR's are a tool of the NWO and Illuminati. They seem to think that some "entity" would find us far more useful as needy slaves than as productive, self sufficient people.

Given:

We have seen the negative impact of speculation in the oil markets by those who have no interest in the actual oil.

We are seeing the same kind of speculation in currency markets by anyone with a P.C. and a Forex account.

We know that the Chinese are loath to actually let their currency freely float on world markets

So....... questions: Since SDR's are actually backed by a basket of currencies, and no one currency can have an overwhelming effect one way or another, thereby mitigating any negative consequences of manipulation, doesn't make sense in today's global economy to utilize these instruments? Would not the use of SDR's offer more commodity price stability? What says you?

[kman]

I thought it was all about winning the belt!

[frankq]

LOL!!!

[kman]

SDR's are a proven cause of mental instability.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Classic kman. ;D

Frank this is a good topic. K4Q(100th!!!!!)

Considering that even though the UN says that it will never be a form of currency and that they will never replace countries currencies, it seems to be a huge source of paranoia.

I especially like the fact that the NWO pumpers are missing that the currency exchange is a $4 Trillion dollar a year business.

[Virgil Showlion]

You're missing the point entirely.

The goal is consolidation of financial authority and policy-making to a single supranational organization or group of organizations. SDRs are a possible means to that end.

Consider a car idling in the no-parking zone in front of a bank branch. The car itself isn't inherently criminal, nor does its suspicious location mean that it's being used to commit a crime. But a judicious police officer--not unlike the MTers monitoring the IMF's and World Bank's latest press releases--will keep his eyes on the vehicle until it no longer poses any threat.

Conversely, the Franks of the world will ignore any control/consolidation issues involved, instead lauding the death of free-market foreign exchange (i.e. "evil currency manipulation"). Some will be so bold as to completely forget having denied that the USD could even be displaced as the world reserve currency just a few short months ago.

"Doh! I was hoping Virgil wouldn't remember that!"

- Frank Q

[frankq]

"Conversely, the Franks of the world will ignore any control/consolidation issues involved, instead lauding the death of free-market foreign exchange (i.e. "evil currency manipulation"). Some will be so bold as to completely forget having denied that the USD could even be displaced as the world reserve currency just a few short months ago.

"Doh! I was hoping Virgil wouldn't remember that!"
- Frank Q"

To be sure Virgil, I don't believe for a minute that the U.S.D. would necessarily lose "face" so to speak, but there is a certain logic to having a centralized form of exchange when so many countries with so many currencies and a currency market and politics that contributes to fluctuations in values. Unlike you guys, I am not so rigid in my thinking that I cannot entertain other options. Can anyone really know if any nation's currency is really backed with the gold a country says it has? Does it really matter? There are people who believe, and I am one, that gold is overrated. Maybe SDR's could be a stabilizing factor, maybe not. I don't know exactly where I stand on this issue, and I'm not sure how to make it work, but I am sure the NWO is not involved. If anyone is missing the point, I think it's you. At least from my perspective. I haven't seen any evidence of the "supranational organization" you speak of. Such an organization would require unimaginable cooperation by the nations of the world. If you're seeing that kind of universal unity please share it with us.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

The whole problem is the IFM+UN=NWO. It makes zero sense. I'm not sure how Universal human suffrage is a ploy to destroy the world, however, I'm sure there is a way to spin it.

The SDR is defined as a weighted sum of contributions of four major currencies, the euro, the US dollar, the British pound, and the Japanese yen, and is reevaluated and adjusted every five years, and computed daily in terms of equivalent United States dollars

The SDR is based on USD.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

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[Virgil Showlion]

To be sure Virgil, I don't believe for a minute that the U.S.D. would necessarily lose "face" so to speak, but there is a certain logic to having a centralized form of exchange when so many countries with so many currencies and a currency market and politics that contributes to fluctuations in values.

Perhaps your missing the point that the USD being the world reserve currency has been a phenomenal boon to the United States and that SDRs means the end of that advantage.

I would recommend you read all of this article, a small excerpt of which is:

So far, the U.S. has been able to get away with massive debts and unsustainable deficits for one simple reason. The U.S. dollar is still the world’s reserve currency, as it has been effectively since World War II and literally since the early 1970′s.

Because all governments and banks in the world accept and hold U.S. dollars as the comfortable majority of their reserves, the United States is able to simply print more money whenever it can not afford to pay for things that it needs. Besides this, the country can borrow money in its own currency at incredibly low interest rates that you have seen approach almost zero. This benefits you, since your national government is able to provide numerous social services that most other countries simply can not afford.

You personally benefit in another critical way every time that you stop at a gas station. With the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency of the planet, oil and all commodities are all priced in dollars. This causes oil and the by product of gasoline to be incredibly cheap to you as an American.

Just compare how much other members of the richest nations whose currencies are not the reserve currency pay for their gasoline. While the U.S. average price of gas comes in at $2.72 per gallon, in Germany it is $6.82 per gallon, in Great Britain it is $6.60 a gallon, in Italy it is $6.40 every gallon, in France it is $6.04 a gallon, and in Japan it is $5.40 for every gallon.

The United States has become the wealthiest country in the world as a result of the dollar as reserve currency. Imports can all be paid for in dollars. This is only true in the United States. Other countries have to first change their currency into dollars to settle their balance of payments on imports and exports. Interest rates are lower than in most other countries, making loans on houses cheap.

Maybe SDR's could be a stabilizing factor, maybe not. I don't know exactly where I stand on this issue, and I'm not sure how to make it work, but I am sure the NWO is not involved.

I take it "am sure" is the same iron clad "am sure" you are that the USD will still hold the world reserve currency status by the end of the decade.

I haven't seen any evidence of the "supranational organization" you speak of. Such an organization would require unimaginable cooperation by the nations of the world. If you're seeing that kind of universal unity please share it with us.

a) you haven't looked
b) consolidation of power does not require "universal unity"; it requires a system of resource control, incentives, punishments, and constantly-shifting political alliances, all of which are exercised exclusively when lower-level players' goals happen to be incompatible with those of the establishment
c) I gave you a list of six (or was it eight) excellent references in our previous NWO discussion

[frankq]

"Perhaps your missing the point that the USD being the world reserve currency has been a phenomenal boon to the United States and that SDRs means the end of that advantage."

Maybe. Like I said, I don't really know. I don't profess to being an expert in SDR's and the Forex markets. I can see advantages to using SDR's. I can see some possible disadvantages.

"I haven't seen any evidence of the "supranational organization" you speak of. Such an organization would require unimaginable cooperation by the nations of the world. If you're seeing that kind of universal unity please share it with us.


a) you haven't looked
b) consolidation of power does not require "universal unity"; it requires a system of resource control, incentives, punishments, and constantly-shifting political alliances, all of which are exercised exclusively when lower-level players' goals happen to be incompatible with those of the establishment
c) I gave you a list of six (or was it eight) excellent references in our previous NWO discussion "

I've looked. I just don't see what you guys see. I see no evidence that the NWO is in process of moving us to slavery or culling the population. I see a rather large movement toward possible Democracy, or at least a movement closer to it, in the Middle East and elsewhere. Seems to me that things are moving in the opposite direstion of what the NWO and Illuminati had in mind. As far as you statement b) well, if you have an abundance of needed resources, you swing a big stick. That's the way it goes sometimes. There will always be incompatable goals between such diverse peoples and political systems. When things get nasty enough, well that's why we have a military. And the fact that you acknowledge constantly shifting political alliances just reinforces my view that there will never be enough global agreement to allow for the NWO you guys speak of. And recent history has shown us that people aren't as meek as you guys think.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

It's funny the Illuminati banking cartel story was started by Augustin Barrel en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin_Barruel

This story has been interpreted wrong since the 1700's. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati Because of who the Enlightenment Revolutionariness were fighting against.

It has been altered over time as a weapon, however, there is some truth to it.
The Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy:
judeo-masonic.blogspot.com/2010/02/3-american-revolution.html

Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, a revolution was about to start against George III, King of Great Britain. It’s obvious that the American colonies had legitimate reasons to demand independence, but what’s odd about this uprising, is the fact that a large number of those promoting the revolt were actually members of secret societies (mainly Freemasonry). For example: from the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence at least 9 (16%) were freemasons; from the 39 signers of the US Constitution at least 12 (33%) were freemasons; and from the 74 generals in the Continental Army at least 34 (46%) were freemasons. [1] It’s also odd that every major building in Washington DC had a cornerstone laid down under a Masonic ritual (i.e. Capitol building -laid by George Washington-, the Washington Monument, the Smithsonian, the White House, the Independence Hall in Philadelphia -laid by Benjamin Franklin-, and many others). [2] And it’s even odder that a Christian nation like the US was packed with multitude of Masonic, occult and pagan symbolism.

Straight from the horses mouth.

Washington, George, 1732-1799. The writings of George Washington from the original manuscript source:
etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi36.xml&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=388&division=div1

Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.

Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, often, to write letters, have led you into.

It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

My occupations are such, that but little leisure is allowed me to read News Papers, or Books of any kind; the reading of letters, and preparing answers, absorb much of my time. With respect, etc.

Universal human suffrage is an enlightenment era idea. Was Washington acting for good, or bad? You decide. Because life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is China's newest goal.
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Does anyone that really knows about currency know about these SDR's. Tre0 said that this type of idea would stabilize currencies. Does anyone besides decoy(we know the dollar is dad decoy) have info aside from what is out there abut them?

[frankq]

"Just compare how much other members of the richest nations whose currencies are not the reserve currency pay for their gasoline. While the U.S. average price of gas comes in at $2.72 per gallon, in Germany it is $6.82 per gallon, in Great Britain it is $6.60 a gallon, in Italy it is $6.40 every gallon, in France it is $6.04 a gallon, and in Japan it is $5.40 for every gallon."

How much of that is taxes to pay for other stuff, like Socialized medicine? I don't know. The Canadian dollar is stronger than the USD, how much do you guys pay for gas? As far as dollar strength, other countries buy dollars because they know, come hell or high water (no pud intended) that dollars will still be around when most other currencies are long gone and will continue to be redeemable. The U.S. is the bedrock of the civilized world. Anyone who doubts that need only watch the news. I don't know that SDR's would change that.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Everything that I have read regarding SDR points to commodities. There isn't enough gold in the wold go go back to the gold standard. It is a way to possibly regulate they incredible fluctuation in commodities prices that cause lots of the food issues we are seeing right now. will it ever happen. IDK.. However, I do know that SDR's are based on USD. So the would basically solidify the USD as the base currency for as long as SDR's were around. Making it attractive to hold dollars, of course.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sorry the gas.

It's about $1.10 to $1.50 a liter. Or $4.12 to $5.00 a gallon. The road tax is in that.

The heath care is in our income taxes. The highest income bracket starts at 128k. Your looking at 29% FED and 15 to 20 Provincials.

[dumdeedoe]

Hum seems we have been under a one world trading currency for years now.....It is the US dollar........

SO maybe we should fight the illumnutty by getting rid of the one world trading currency.....

[Virgil Showlion]

Ham, I appreciate your contributions in #13 and #14.

As for #11: Anything, and I do mean anything, Wikipedia has to say about the NWO isn't worth the HTTP request used to fetch the content. Asking Wikipedia for truth on the NWO is like asking TEPCO for truth on the Fukushima reactors.

Consider that even the term "enlightenment era" is a recent pseudo-fictitious whitewashing of British and Anglo-American history.

[verrip1]

A:

Of course there's enough gold in the world for it to back all currencies. All that's needed is to adjust the price of gold. Voila!

Aw, rats, those unintended consequences.

And so sorry to read that Wikipedia has become victim to the NWO's mind control propagandistas. Who's next, bulletin board mods???

Or are they here already?

[usaone]

Mar 21, 2011 20:40:14 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

A:

Of course there's enough gold in the world for it to back all currencies. All that's needed is to adjust the price of gold. Voila!

Aw, rats, those unintended consequences.

And so sorry to read that Wikipedia has become victim to the NWO's mind control propagandistas. Who's next, bulletin board mods???

Or are they here already?

Karma for you V!!! ;D ;D

[Virgil Showlion]

And so sorry to read that Wikipedia has become victim to the NWO's mind control propagandistas. Who's next, bulletin board mods?

Take out "mind control"; your first statement is correct.

You're too late for number 2.

You gentlemen are making some progress, methinks.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Fair enough Virgil. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion in our enlightened society . What about the letter from Washington to REV G. W. Snyder. Which was regarding this book?

Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All Religions and Governments:
knowledgefiles.com/authors/john-robison/proofs-of-a-conspiracy-against-all-religions-and-governments/

John Robison (1739–1805) was a Scottish physicist and mathematician. He was a professor of philosophy at the University of Edinburgh. A member of the Edinburgh Philosophical Society when it received its royal warrant, he was appointed as the first General Secretary to the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison invented the siren and also worked with James Watt on an early steam car. Following the French Revolution, Robison became disenchanted with elements of the Enlightenment. He authored Proofs of a Conspiracy in 1797—a polemic accusing Freemasonry of being infiltrated by Weishaupt’s Order of the Illuminati. Robison and French priest Abbé Barruel independently developed similar views that the Illuminati had infiltrated Continental Freemasonry, leading to the excesses of the French Revolution. In 1798, the Reverend G. W. Snyder sent Robison’s book to George Washington for his thoughts on the subject in which he replied to him in his Letter to the Reverend G. W. Snyder (24 October 1798).

Augustin Barruel is the same guy I mention above, but since wiki doesn't work for you..

Augustin Barruel
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
www.catholicity.com/encyclopedia/b/barruel,augustin.html

So what about the letter from Washington??

[Virgil Showlion]

I can't comment on the veracity of Washington's letter. It's very possibly an accurate account of his views.

I typically separate Freemasonry from "the establishment". Supposedly, "life begins at 40"--referring to the 40th degree in the Masonic hierarchy. Any Freemason with a lower degree, meaning virtually any Mason, is neither aware of nor is a consenting party to NWO-esque organizational goals.

In that respect, Freemasonry is just an unusually powerful "old boys' club".

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

It's a great story. That's about it. A story that has been altered over time since the late 1700's to fit various agendas that oppose Free enterprise. Let's face it, these stores sell great in times like these. Hitler almost committed suicide. It was Hindenburg and the Depression that helped Hitler get into the spot light and sell his BS. A lot of Hitlers ideals are based on books like Mr Robison's there.