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Post by frankq on Mar 19, 2011 15:13:00 GMT -5
It has been reported with "irrefutable" proof by "some" out here that the disaster in Japan is the fault of G.E. Check this out compliments Bloomberg:
Mitsuhiko Tanaka, 67, working as an engineer at Babcock Hitachi K.K., helped design and supervise the manufacture of a $250 million steel pressure vessel for Tokyo Electric in 1975. Today, that vessel holds the fuel rods in the core of the No. 4 reactor at Fukushima’s Dai-Ichi plant, hit by explosion and fire after the tsunami.
Tanaka says the vessel was damaged in the production process. He says he knows because he orchestrated the cover-up. When he brought his accusations to the government more than a decade later, he was ignored, he says.
The accident occurred when Tanaka and his team were strengthening the steel in the pressure vessel, heating it in a furnace to more than 600 degrees Celsius (1,112 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that melts metal. Braces that should have been inside the vessel during the blasting were either forgotten or fell over. After it cooled, Tanaka found that its walls had warped.
‘Felt Like a Hero’
The law required the flawed vessel be scrapped, a loss that Tanaka said might have bankrupted the company. Rather than sacrifice years of work and risk the company’s survival, Tanaka used computer modeling to devise a way to reshape the vessel so that no one would know it had been damaged. He did that with Hitachi’s blessings, he said.
“I saved the company billions of yen,” Tanaka said in an interview March 12, the day after the earthquake. Tanaka says he got a 3 million yen bonus ($38,000) from Hitachi and a plaque acknowledging his “extraordinary” effort in 1974. “At the time, I felt like a hero.”
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Post by frankq on Mar 19, 2011 15:14:50 GMT -5
And it gets better:
Back-up diesel generators that might have averted the disaster were positioned in a basement, where they were overwhelmed by waves.
“This in the country that invented the word Tsunami,” said Brockman, who also worked at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. “Japan is going to have a look again at its regulatory process and whether it’s intrusive enough.”
The cascade of events at Fukushima had been foretold in a report published in the U.S. two decades ago. The 1990 report by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, an independent agency responsible for safety at the country’s power plants, identified earthquake-induced diesel generator failure and power outage leading to failure of cooling systems as one of the “most likely causes” of nuclear accidents from an external event.
While the report was cited in a 2004 statement by Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, it seems adequate measures to address the risk were not taken by Tokyo Electric, said Jun Tateno, a former researcher at the Japan Atomic Energy Agency and professor at Chuo University.
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Post by frankq on Mar 19, 2011 15:17:38 GMT -5
The disaster is in the fact that 20,000 people died in the tsunami. The "crime" is in the ensuing nuclear problems and the rush to blame G.E. because it has become "cool" to blame anything that goes wrong in life on American business and government.
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Post by verrip1 on Mar 19, 2011 16:24:45 GMT -5
We never had a tsunami like this when we were on the Gold Standard!!!!!!!! Damn Richard Nixon to hell.
Lemme see, I must have some sort of a bullshit chart about this ... (shuffle, shuffle, shuffle) ...
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Mar 19, 2011 18:07:32 GMT -5
That sounds like a reasonable idea Snerdley.
This substantiates what you have been saying the entire time about the reactors Q!
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 19, 2011 20:08:33 GMT -5
It has been reported with "irrefutable" proof by "some" out here that the disaster in Japan is the fault of G.E. Check this out compliments Bloomberg: Mitsuhiko Tanaka, 67, working as an engineer at Babcock Hitachi K.K., helped design and supervise the manufacture of a $250 million steel pressure vessel for Tokyo Electric in 1975. Today, that vessel holds the fuel rods in the core of the No. 4 reactor at Fukushima’s Dai-Ichi plant, hit by explosion and fire after the tsunami.
Tanaka says the vessel was damaged in the production process. He says he knows because he orchestrated the cover-up. When he brought his accusations to the government more than a decade later, he was ignored, he says.
The accident occurred when Tanaka and his team were strengthening the steel in the pressure vessel, heating it in a furnace to more than 600 degrees Celsius (1,112 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that melts metal. Braces that should have been inside the vessel during the blasting were either forgotten or fell over. After it cooled, Tanaka found that its walls had warped.
‘Felt Like a Hero’
The law required the flawed vessel be scrapped, a loss that Tanaka said might have bankrupted the company. Rather than sacrifice years of work and risk the company’s survival, Tanaka used computer modeling to devise a way to reshape the vessel so that no one would know it had been damaged. He did that with Hitachi’s blessings, he said.
“I saved the company billions of yen,” Tanaka said in an interview March 12, the day after the earthquake. Tanaka says he got a 3 million yen bonus ($38,000) from Hitachi and a plaque acknowledging his “extraordinary” effort in 1974. “At the time, I felt like a hero.”I read that the main problems were engineering that was lead by Electric Bond and Share company.. now part of Texas Utility.. Number four was engineered by Hitachi and #3 by Toshiba.. What is more dangerous,, building new state of the art 3.5 Generation or 4th Generation or extending the life of the old 40 year old generation one plants.. #1 was do it Fed 2011 to stop operation.. Japan gave TE ten more years to replace it with units seven and eight.. We too are add years to old system rather then building new systems.. Texas Utility and Duke are working on next generating safety high temperature and ceramic balls.. Its about time and a lot of money.. Just a thought , Bruce To read more on the subject... note.. it was called Containment vessel -lite!!!  www.nuctrans.org/Nuc_Trans/locations/daiichi/daiichi.htmAttachments:
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Mar 19, 2011 21:41:32 GMT -5
LOL, sunrnr your a good guy, however, sometimes you go a little over board. Companies make all the things that we will have to buy to generate power, and all the big energy companies are now into renewable resources, because WE the people have continued to push for it. We will always need power generation, and oil consumption is not going to slow down anytime soon. You assume that the majority of people would maintain a power station in their home. This would spell nothing but disaster my friend. Nothing is all good or all bad.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 19, 2011 23:08:45 GMT -5
There's a lot of R&D going into small, modular reactors for distributed power generation. These reactors are similar to the ship board reactors used for many years, but are entirely modular and self contained. I did a little digging and found there are many, many reactor types and sizes www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf33.html. I think the power industry will have to accept distributed power generation at some point rather than the huge centralise plants now in use. Distributed power would lessen the need for a huge transmission infrastructure and impact should a critical piece of the grid go off-line. ( also the amount of power lost in the line for 500 miles could be 40%...  Residential fuel cells, wind turbines, solar arrays on the roof, etc. are what's needed. However, TPTB can't control things and hold us hostage to their energy supplies (hence money and lots of it) if we each had own own energy generator in the basement, eh? Sun, I think the term you are looking for is "Behind the Meter" for both reactors and wind-power. This is one Bechtel is working on.. From the design concept of the CVN Ford... huge power for the space.Just a thought, Bruce  Attachments:
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 19, 2011 23:38:08 GMT -5
Sorry.. I con not get that to open,, This is where the 125 meg watt small M-Power reactor picture cam from...This should be uses over and over again.. Common training is what the Navy like.. They rather have 100 of a common boat vs 10 different... like how many Gato class U-boats did we make in WWII Just a thought,Bruce merican Contracts (FY 2006 – Present) SSN Virginia Class Cutaway SSN-774 cutaway: Virginia Class (click to view: Large!) Most contracts noted here are awarded by the US Naval Sea Systems Command in Washington, DC. Babcock & Wilcox contracts are issued by the US Department of Energy, rather than the Department of Defense, even though they are defense-related. Completion dates or other additional information are not provided for Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program contracts as a matter of official policy. Other contracts related to maintenance, however, may show completion dates. Jan 13/10: Babcock & Wilcox Nuclear Operations Group, Inc. announces an award of approximately $2 billion for the manufacture of nuclear components to support US defense programs, which includes the manufacture of naval nuclear power systems for submarines and aircraft carriers. The base portion of the contract, which totals $807 million, will be funded in January and March and included in backlog at the end of 2010. The options are expected to be funded in FY 2012 and 2013. The work will be performed over a 10-year period, beginning in January 2011. Babcock & Wilson was spun off from McDermott International in July 2010 (see Jan 27/10 entry re the Nuclear Operations Group). Babcox & Wilcox release. Nov 29/10: Bechtel Plant Machinery in Monroeville, PA receives a $232.3 million contract modification to for naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Monroeville, PA (90.2%), and Schenectady, NY (9.8%). $3.6 million will expire at the end of the current fiscal year, on Sept 30/10 (N00024-07-C-2100). This brings the firm’s announced FY 2011 contracts to $1.047 billion. Oct 29/10: Bechtel Plant Machinery, Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives a $303.5 million contract modification for naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Monroeville, PA (70.8%), and Schenectady, NY (29.2%). This is a NAVSEA contract (N00024-07-C-2102). Oct 25/10: Bechtel Plant Machinery, Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives a new $511.3 million cost-plus-fixed-fee contract for naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Monroeville, PA (70.8%), and Schenectady, NY (29.2%). This is a NAVSEA contract (N00024-11-C-2127). mpower mPower reactor (click to view full) July 14/10: mPower. All that work on more compact reactors may be about to start paying civilian dividends as well. Babcock & Wilcox Nuclear Energy, Inc. and Bechtel Power Corporation announce a formal alliance to design, license and deploy the world’s first commercially viable Generation III++ small modular nuclear power plant. This is a purely civilian project, but it draws heavily on existing experience in both civilian and military reactor construction, and could have feedback loops into future military design and deployment. This new “Generation mPower” alliance aims to build on the 125 megawatt B&W mPower SMR development program underway for the past 2 years. B&W will focus on designing and testing the nuclear steam supply system (NSSS) and nuclear island, including the design certification application development and submission, and NSSS production. Bechtel will complement these responsibilities with integrated engineering and project management leadership. Depending on regulatory approval and other factors, the alliance believes that the first plant could be deployed as early as 2020. B&W release | B&W feature, incl. video. | Bechtel release | Bechtel feature, incl. video. | Wall St. Journal. April 29/10: Bechtel Plant Machinery Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives a $37.3 million modification to a previously awarded contract (N00024-07-C-2100) for naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Monroeville, PA (90%) and Schenectady, NY (10%). Contract funds in the amount of $923,558 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. Jan 27/10: Babcock & Wilcox Nuclear Operations Group, Inc. announces an award of approximately $450 million for the manufacture of nuclear components to support U.S. defense programs, which includes the manufacture of U.S. Naval nuclear power systems for submarines and aircraft carriers. Babcock & Wilcox is an operating group of McDermott International, Inc., and employs about 4,000 people. B&W NOG is headquartered in Lynchburg, VA, with locations in Barberton, OH; Mount Vernon, IN; and Euclid, OH; as well as at subsidiary Nuclear Fuel Services, Inc. in Erwin, TN. Together, the facilities offer a range of nuclear components and services, from providing nuclear fuel and the manufacture of reactors for U.S. Naval submarines and aircraft carriers to other nuclear and non-nuclear R&D and component production. The company also performs plutonium and uranium decontamination and decommissioning, facility stabilization, and nuclear materials management. Babcock & Wilcox release. Nov 18/09: Bechtel Plant Machinery Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives a $248.8 million modification to a previously awarded contract (N00024-07-C-2100) for naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Monroeville, PA (95%) and Schenectady, NY (5%). Contract funds in the amount of $326.7 million will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. Nov 10/09: Bechtel Plant Machinery Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives a $110.5 million modification to a previously awarded contract (N00024-07-C-2102) for additional naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Schenectady, NY (86%) and Monroeville, PA (14%). Oct 19/09: Bechtel Plant Machinery Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives a $523.5 million cost-plus-fixed fee contract (N00024-10-C-2119) for naval nuclear propulsion components. Work will be performed in Monroeville, PA (67%) and Schenectady, NY (33%). Oct 13/09: General Dynamics Electric Boat Corp. in Groton, CT received an $18.1 million modification to a previously awarded contract (N00024-07-C-2103) for reactor plant planning yard services for nuclear-powered submarines and support yard services for the US Navy’s moored training ships. The contractor will furnish, fabricate, or acquire such materials, supplies and services as may be necessary to perform the functions of the planning yard for reactor plants and associated portions of the propulsion plants for nuclear-powered submarines. Work will be performed in Groton, CT (95%), Charleston, SC (5%), and is expected to be complete by September 2010. This contract was not competitively procured by the Naval Sea Systems Command in Washington, DC. May 29/09: Bechtel Plant Machinery Inc. in Monroeville, PA receives an $11.7 million modification to a previously awarded contract (N00024-07-C-2100) for Naval Nuclear Propulsion Components. Work will be performed in Pittsburgh, PA (90.5%) and Schenectady, NY (9.5%). Contract funds in the amount of $233,157 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. Feb 25/09: Babcock & Wilcox Nuclear Operations Group, Inc. announces awards “in excess of $1 billion” for the manufacture of nuclear components to support U.S. defense programs, including the manufacture of U.S. Naval nuclear power systems for submarines and aircraft carriers. This work is part of a previously negotiated and announced set of contracts that, if fully executed, will be worth more than $2.66 billion in revenue over 10 years. As a result of this increased workload, B&W NOG expects to hire an estimated 250 new salaried and hourly employees throughout 3 of its locations. B&W NOG is headquartered in Lynchburg, VA, with locations in Barberton, OH; Mount Vernon, IN; and Euclid, OH; as well as at subsidiary Nuclear Fuel Services, Inc. in Erwin, TN.   From Defense industrial Daily... www.defenseindustrydaily.com/The-US-Navys-Nuclear-Propulsion-Contracts-04752/Attachments:
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 20, 2011 0:15:06 GMT -5
Yes.. This is all about the "Mini Cooper" of Nuclear Power...Mpower..good call!! Last week, however, the company announced the appointment of senior executives to head up a joint venture to develop "the next generation of nuclear power plants." The joint venture - called Generation mPower, launched last July with Babcock & Wilcox, whose technology is being employed - is one of several companies developing "small modular reactors." They include Westinghouse and Oregon's NuScale Power in the United States, and firms in China (said to be furthest along in development), India, Russia, South Korea and elsewhere overseas. The reactors are said to be considerably cheaper and quicker to build and operate than their predecessors and, for communities of up to 100,000 people, to get electricity from. Described by some as a "Mini Cooper version of a nuclear reactor," they can supposedly be built in factories and shipped by truck, barge or rail cars - more fodder for runaway train movies, perhaps - but are also said to be safer. "They're very attractive, especially for cities and developing nations, but their claims have yet to be tested," said Richter. "At this stage, I'd have to say, 'convince me.' " Richter said he was not speaking for the Energy Department's advisory committee. In its March announcement, mPower chairman Glen Mowry, who is also CEO of Babcock & Wilcox, said the company has attracted "increased interest from our utility customers and government stakeholders, both in the United States and internationally." Bechtel, which has a minority stake in the venture, will design and construct the plants. The first one is scheduled to be deployed in Tennessee in 2020, "depending on regulatory approval and other factors," according to the announcement. Read more: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/15/BUKQ1IBPCO.DTL#ixzz1H75RmxTSIt is interest to note how little Steel and Cement the Mark1 containment- lite had vs the new generation containment vessels like the one being constrected in China by Bechtel.. Like Model T vs a new Corvette.. Attachments:
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Mar 20, 2011 3:12:01 GMT -5
I see, so the unit you posted would be placed on power lines like transistors are currently, and help generate power through the systems? Great analogy! It's too bad that the Japanese didn't listen, this could have been avoided, and the industry could have moved toward the next generation without such a tarnish again. U.S. questioned safety of reactors long ago:<------- This backs up that there was a cover up.(This is what it looks like why you can back a story up NWO pumpers. This is over 30 yrs, "history" as they say ) seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014529117_quakereactors18.html?syndication=rss |
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Post by frankq on Mar 20, 2011 8:50:29 GMT -5
We never had a tsunami like this when we were on the Gold Standard!!!!!!!! Damn Richard Nixon to hell. Lemme see, I must have some sort of a bullshit chart about this ... (shuffle, shuffle, shuffle) ... Damn! That's funny! |
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Post by frankq on Mar 20, 2011 9:01:10 GMT -5
When it comes to energy, we are our own worst enemies. We expect the lights to go on when we flip the switch, our plasma TV's, computers and ipods, etc to run, we think we're going to drive electric cars and just expect the electricity to "show up" when we plug in 30 million cars. In the meantime, nobody wants more nuke plants, plants designed for a 20 year lifespan are forced to go 40+, now that Yucca Mtn is done nobody wants to use it to store spent fuel, states want electricity but don't want spent fuel trucked through their states. Solar is woefully inefficient and requires huge landmasses to build any kind of usefull generation, and then it gets dark everyday. Coal is plentiful and cheap, but nobody wants it burned, etc. Wind power also takes huge chunks of land away from development. The fact is, generating plants need to be geographically convenient to transmission infrastructure. Plants need the smallest possible footprint. Something has to give.
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Post by domeasingold on Mar 20, 2011 10:17:52 GMT -5
Some ponder points that are circulating in my small brain: 1.) Frank Q...Is there any way to recycle spent fuel? 2.) Last nite, NatGeo ran a program about Three Mile Island and it's failure and aftermath. I found it interesting that Carter ended up intervening because he felt the engineers were so wrapped up in solving the problem they effectively gave up on finding a solution.The point is that the design of the reactor did its job and the engineers meddled with the shutdown so in effect they caused the partial meltdown. Upon review the NRC determined that if left alone the reactor would have shut down on its own without human intervention and there never would have been the consequence we know today. Is that true? Not saying that this is the same as Japan, just what negative media does to the nuke industry. 3.) Who has the franchise on the plugin recharge stations for electric cars at hotels, resorts, airports. I see a new opportunity. Kinda like Chicago prking. $5 fee for recharge. |
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Post by frankq on Mar 20, 2011 11:42:34 GMT -5
ND,
I haven't heard much on the recycling. I don't know. Last I heard, Three Mile island was largely due to human error. The recharge stations are supposedly being developed by a new startup company getting some gov.cheese. Until they come up with a way to cut charging time from 6-8 hours to 5-10 minutes, I don't see a huge market for electric. And we still have to figure out where to get and how to transport the millions of kw we'd need to go electric. We'll be burning gasoline for a long time. Running nukes too.
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Post by domeasingold on Mar 20, 2011 12:42:27 GMT -5
Frank, I agree on all you have said plus that was the point that the doc on 3 mile was making about human error.
Maybe I should just wire up my driveway with recharge stations and let my quasi green neibhors pay me to recharge their batteries while they take the train to work.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 20, 2011 18:40:51 GMT -5
ND, I haven't heard much on the recycling. I don't know. Last I heard, Three Mile island was largely due to human error. The recharge stations are supposedly being developed by a new startup company getting some gov.cheese. Until they come up with a way to cut charging time from 6-8 hours to 5-10 minutes, I don't see a huge market for electric. And we still have to figure out where to get and how to transport the millions of kw we'd need to go electric. We'll be burning gasoline for a long time. Running nukes too. Frank A., The wind blows at night.. The new power for car recharge firms gives free emergany station recharges for all it customers.. Normal cost is $99.00/month. Wind power is used for the night except on the rare nights in does not blow.. That is in Houston and you know Houston .. always.. ., Bruce |
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 22, 2011 2:06:19 GMT -5
I agree. Most people are looking for the one perpetual motion machine that will provide a clean endless energy source.THAT WOULD BE THE MOON.. TIDAL ENERGY!! I think we need all the small sources, wind, solar, geothermal, wave action, etc. we can. THAT WOULD BE ENERGY FROM THE SUN The real gotcha is the lack of a way to efficiently store this energy until needed. THAT WOULD BE OIL.. LAID DOWN SUN ENERGY FROM THE PERMIUM AREA.. AND IT WILL DO IT AGAIN WITH OIL FROM ALGAE...ALSO REMEMBER THE OLD TIME WOOD LOT.. STORE OF ENERGY AND APPLES AND NUTS.. ALL STORES OF ENERGY. The other gotcha is the transmission and distribution infrastructure needed. Oh, wait TPTB have zero sum energy available to them thanks to the German scientists. I forgot that part. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL NEW IDEAS FOR STARTER TERM ENERGY STORAGE.. A: HIGH PRESSURE AIR. B: VERY HIGH SPEED DC MOTOR/DYNAMETER WITH OWN FLY WHEEL.. C: CHIPPED WOOD FOR BUTANOL PRODUCTION.. ALSO SWITCHED GRASS. D: .....NIGHT TIME CHARGE FOR ALL ELECTRIC CARS.. MOST WIND IS AT NIGHT. YOUR TURN!! |
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 25, 2011 1:26:34 GMT -5
Sun rnr,
Yes, The deep water currency engine is powered by the Sun and has a long life cycle. This is what the EU are talking about with long term weather change for England and the European Continent if the currents change..That would make it more or less in the deep South where the heat is gained and water lighter.. In the North where the heat is transferred to the air and water heaver.
Interesting thoughts.. esp at the tips of South America,
Bruce
Did I way this energy is huge!!100 times more then the energy we use.. Wiki..
Possible renewable power source
The Gulf Stream transports about 1.4 petawatts of heat, equivalent to 100 times the world energy demand,[35] and research into different ways to tap this power is being undertaken.[citation needed] One idea, which would supply the equivalent power of several nuclear power plants[citation needed], would deploy a field of underwater turbines placed 300 metres (980 ft) under the center of the core of the Gulf Stream, such as being developed by Aquantis, LLC.[36] Ocean thermal energy could also be harnessed to produce electricity utilizing the temperature difference between cold deep water and warm surface water.[37]
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Post by vl on Mar 25, 2011 6:29:25 GMT -5
The report came out today that reactor salvage workers just waded into waters some TEN THOUSAND TIMES more radioactive than speculated and were severely burned. There were also THREE new quakes off Japan's coast yesterday and TWO LARGE ones in the proximity region. Notably, there isn't a Plan B to accommodate Total Nuclear Meltdown. I'll just finish with-- the collective region contains a third of the world's population and ALL of it's sustaining goods manufacturing.
What;s in YOUR wallet? Does it glow... yet?
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