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Post by Kolt! on Jul 28, 2016 11:43:31 GMT -5
..Trump literally fits every word that was put in front of Clinton's name as well.
And the hag? That was SO uncalled for and unneeded. You actually sounded EXACTLY like Trump right there. And that's the problem I have with a lot of his supporters. They end up sounding like him... with the insults.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2016 11:43:33 GMT -5
I'd rather vote for a woman who has a legitimate public service resume a mile long and who stuck with her wandering husband than a racist, misogynistic, serial divorce' with an ego taller than any Trump tower who won't release his tax returns and who thinks "bigly" is a real word. Well, I'd rather vote egotistical, serial divorcee than a lying, manipulative, careless, morally bankrupt, self serving "it's not technically illegal" hag. I'm pretty sure morally bankrupt and manipulative also fit Trump. He also just made the comment on national television that he invites Russia to snoop thru our servers if it would prove his opponent is a liar. Do you REALLY want someone who openly and proudly tells people he'd risk national secrets to prove he's right as president? How is he any better than Hillary in regards to national security? The words you use to describe Hillary pretty much describe anyone who gets into politics. Why is Hillary, specifically Hillary. .. so terrible awful. Why is Hillary a "hag" exactly? Are you going to vote for Trump based on his appearance or does his appearance not matter when it comes to whether or not he can be president? If Hillary needs to "look better/younger/more appealing" or whatever people want to call it then why isn't Trump being put thru the ringer? He's not exactly the paragon of male attractiveness.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2016 11:44:50 GMT -5
And that is the sexism that she is facing. That it's okay to call her a hag. Trump has been called every name under the sun, should Hillary be given a pass because she's a woman? What has Trump been called that hasn't been a derogatory term to his gender?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 28, 2016 11:48:27 GMT -5
I think it's telling that we can't discuss Mrs. Clinton and her historical run - pros and cons - without bringing up Trump and/or physical characteristics. I don't think we are as evolved as we think we are.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 11:51:10 GMT -5
Well, it's clear you all will vote for Hillary, even though you know she's deeply flawed and you question her integrity. But you feel trump is the same or worse.
I just happen to feel the opposite, trump is a jackass, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to convince us he's not. And I cannot, as a federal employee with a active security clearance, get over Hillary and her mishandling of classified information. But I know such things don't matter to 95% of the American people.
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Post by sesfw on Jul 28, 2016 11:51:24 GMT -5
It's not her resume that bothers me. It's her integrity.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Jul 28, 2016 11:52:43 GMT -5
Well, it's clear you all will vote for Hillary, even though you know she's deeply flawed and you question her integrity. But you feel trump is the same or worse. I just happen to feel the opposite, trump is a jackass, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to convince us he's not. And I cannot, as a federal employee with a active security clearance, get over Hillary and her mishandling of classified information. *cough cough* Benghazi *cough cough*
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 28, 2016 11:53:01 GMT -5
Well, it's clear you all will vote for Hillary, even though you know she's deeply flawed and you question her integrity. But you feel trump is the same or worse. I just happen to feel the opposite, trump is a jackass, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to convince us he's not. And I cannot, as a federal employee with a active security clearance, get over Hillary and her mishandling of classified information. I won't be voting for her. Just because somebody believes in fighting fairly doesn't mean they are voting for her.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 28, 2016 11:55:42 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Why is a woman who sticks by her husband a piss poor role model? Hillary has her own political chops (that are comparable to Bill's) and none of us are in their marriage and know what is going on there. I wouldn't presume to know, and neither should you. Infidelity in a marriage is a difficult problem to overcome and the fact that they have found a way to work past this (regardless of reason) and manage to put on a good front is admirable. Many don't. I will take a stab at this one. I'm a conservative yet I don't believe that a woman should need a man for anything. I want my daughter to be strong and succeed in life without a man helping her get there. I will never be able to reconcile a woman who claims to be a feminist staying with a man who cheated on her SEVERAL times....and publicly! In my opinion (and only my opinion) she stayed with him for political reasons. I don't like that. To me, her claiming to be this strong woman and then staying with a serial cheater like Bill Clinton is hypocritical. Just as hypocritical as republicans claiming family values and then getting caught shtooping some guy in the public bathroom. It just doesn't jive with me.
Having said that, if I believed in anything she stood for I would still vote for her because her personal life is her own business. But I will never think Hillary is a good role model for young women. The reason I am not voting for her has nothing to do with her marriage.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 28, 2016 11:59:59 GMT -5
Well, I'd rather vote egotistical, serial divorcee than a lying, manipulative, careless, morally bankrupt, self serving "it's not technically illegal" hag. Look at the words you applied to Hillary.....lying, manipulative, morally bankrupt, careless, self serving. I would say they fit Trump better. And hag is downright mean. That is something Trump would say....and I don't think he is an admirable person. Seriously? Look at how everyone made fun of Trump's look on the other thread (it has been quite awhile). Everyone makes fun of his looks, his hair, his orangeness. Is that ok because you don't like him as a candidate? I don't remember an uproar over all of htose insulting posts.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2016 12:05:00 GMT -5
Look at the words you applied to Hillary.....lying, manipulative, morally bankrupt, careless, self serving. I would say they fit Trump better. And hag is downright mean. That is something Trump would say....and I don't think he is an admirable person. Seriously? Look at how everyone made fun of Trump's look on the other thread (it has been quite awhile). Everyone makes fun of his looks, his hair, his orangeness. Is that ok because you don't like him as a candidate? I don't remember an uproar over all of htose insulting posts. I wasn't there, so can't comment on what was said. Hag is still uncalled for.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 28, 2016 12:06:33 GMT -5
Seriously? Look at how everyone made fun of Trump's look on the other thread (it has been quite awhile). Everyone makes fun of his looks, his hair, his orangeness. Is that ok because you don't like him as a candidate? I don't remember an uproar over all of htose insulting posts. I wasn't there, so can't comment on what was said. Hag is still uncalled for. And I say all of the personal attacks on Donald Trump were uncalled for...but many liberals in that thread jumped on board with it. So it is either ok to attack both or neither. Can't have it both ways.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 28, 2016 12:07:05 GMT -5
Well, it's clear you all will vote for Hillary, even though you know she's deeply flawed and you question her integrity. But you feel trump is the same or worse. I just happen to feel the opposite, trump is a jackass, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to convince us he's not. And I cannot, as a federal employee with a active security clearance, get over Hillary and her mishandling of classified information. But I know such things don't matter to 95% of the American people. I guess from my perspective as a business person I can't vote for a businessman who so obviously is indifferent to his customers, his employees and his vendors - and then wants to apply those same substandard business ethics to running the government. The government can't sign a deal to have an air plane company make a fighter jet and then come back and offer to take the plane for 1/4 of what the agreed sales price is - take it or leave it. But that's Trumps' business MO.
I also have a problem with his saying he is against business practices that he whole heartedly participates in - for instance, decrying businesses that send their production over seas or using foreign workers when he has his line of suits for men made overseas, and imports temp labor from Eastern Europe to work at his Florida resorts, rather than hiring locals. It makes me think he isn't really serious about doing anything about those issues, when he's personally benefiting from doing them in his own businesses.
I wouldn't trust him to do business with him, due to his prior bad conduct, so I can't trust that he would do a better job trying to run the government.
Not thrilled about Clinton, either. In this election, it comes down to which candidate I think will screw up less.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 28, 2016 12:11:07 GMT -5
I wasn't there, so can't comment on what was said. Hag is still uncalled for. And I say all of the personal attacks on Donald Trump were uncalled for...but many liberals in that thread jumped on board with it. So it is either ok to attack both or neither. Can't have it both ways. Absolutely right.
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Post by swamp on Jul 28, 2016 12:16:39 GMT -5
I wasn't there, so can't comment on what was said. Hag is still uncalled for. And I say all of the personal attacks on Donald Trump were uncalled for...but many liberals in that thread jumped on board with it. So it is either ok to attack both or neither. Can't have it both ways. But he is orange!!!! It's not an attack, it's an observation!!
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 28, 2016 12:17:44 GMT -5
I wasn't there, so can't comment on what was said. Hag is still uncalled for. And I say all of the personal attacks on Donald Trump were uncalled for...but many liberals in that thread jumped on board with it. So it is either ok to attack both or neither. Can't have it both ways. Attacks about his looks are uncalled for. Lord knows I can't stand the man, but it's because I think he's dangerous and temperamentally unfit to be president. I don't think ripping apart the candidates looks, marriages, etc., is productive. Because I don't care what they look like or who they have sex with. I do care about their policies and if I feel they will move the country forward (or in this election not cause irreparable damage).
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 28, 2016 12:19:52 GMT -5
And I say all of the personal attacks on Donald Trump were uncalled for...but many liberals in that thread jumped on board with it. So it is either ok to attack both or neither. Can't have it both ways. Attacks about his looks are uncalled for. Lord knows I can't stand the man, but it's because I think he's dangerous and temperamentally unfit to be president. I don't think ripping apart the candidates looks, marriages, etc., is productive. Because I don't care what they look like or who they have sex with. I do care about their policies and if I feel they will move the country forward (or in this election not cause irreparable damage). I agree with you...which is why I pointed out the hypocrisy. I think insulting someone based on their looks is a very weak argument...and I personally can't stand Hillary or what she stands for. But I feel the same about Trump. Nothing weakens a position like a personal insult.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 28, 2016 12:21:15 GMT -5
And I say all of the personal attacks on Donald Trump were uncalled for...but many liberals in that thread jumped on board with it. So it is either ok to attack both or neither. Can't have it both ways. But he is orange!!!! It's not an attack, it's an observation!!
It went much further than that. He was called "orange crap o'sack" throughout the thread (or something like that) and not one liberal said "hey, personal insults are uncalled for"...at least not that I saw. Granted, I don't have time to read each post. So it seems this board has different standards for the candidates.
ETA: And would it be ok to shame Hillary if she were a fat? Because that wouldn't be an attack, just an observation? But I'm pretty sure everyone would have a fit if that happened (and they should because shaming based on looks is wrong no matter how much we hate the person)
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 28, 2016 12:24:01 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Are you kidding? I would love to have a daughter who was as smart and accomplished as Hillary. Lawyer, secretary of state, and presidential candidate? And as far as sticking by a man who abuses your trust? It beats being a man who's a serial adulterer, who has had four kids by three different woman. Can you imagine the flack that Hillary would get if she did that? All she's done is stick by her man. So, don't talk to me about piss-poor role models.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 28, 2016 12:26:54 GMT -5
Well, it's clear you all will vote for Hillary, even though you know she's deeply flawed and you question her integrity. But you feel trump is the same or worse. I just happen to feel the opposite, trump is a jackass, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to convince us he's not. And I cannot, as a federal employee with a active security clearance, get over Hillary and her mishandling of classified information. But I know such things don't matter to 95% of the American people. I'm not sure what part of Trump's integrity is 'good'? Is it the fact that he flaunts his vices/flaws and then claims they are 'good'? Or is it the fact that he's "Trump First" and he's willing to stand by it? Is that the kind of 'integrity' people are saying is BETTER than Hillary Clinton's integrity?
I personally think that as President, Hillary will attempt to do what's best for America (with a secondary this is good for me and mine <-- that's basic human nature and I don't think it can be separated out ). I have NO doubt what so ever that as President Trump will do what's best for HIM and HIS with an after thought of "oh yeah! this isn't really the best for America but it that's ok, I've made a Dollar!!! Yeah Me!!".
I'd rather go with Hillary's integrity which I feel means she's working with the Big Picture: America, the world, the future and her own personal concerns) than Trump's integrity which I feel means he's working for himself and then maybe stuff in the Big Picture BUT, only if he can use it to move stuff for himself forward.
I'm sure Trump will be true to Trump (which is a kind of integrity). I don't think that's the kind of integrity we want in a leader. I know I'm not fond of following a boss who ONLY cares about his own skin/profit. A boss like that doesn't care how he gets what he wants as long as he gets it - it doesn't matter what kind of devastation or destruction is left in his wake. He won't be there to have to deal with the fall out.
FWIW: I can't for a moment imagine Trump hosting foreign dignitaries at the Whitehouse (or attending a diplomatic function in another country) without CRINGING - if I had a soul I'm sure it would shrivel alittle as well....
I strongly suspect that if Trump is President and manages to get away from his Wranglers - he will start a war with China because of his posturing and saying stuff without thinking in response to something that North Korea does...
Actually, I think it would be kinda fun to watch Trump square off with Kim Un Jong - both of them posturing and all pompous and self righteous and spewing 'propaganda' about how their people will not tolerate being insulted and threatening Nuclear Destruction at each other - is either a comedy skit OR terrifying.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 12:40:53 GMT -5
Hillary's "mile long" public service record is another confusing point.
Obama had like what, two years as a senetor before he was elected? Why wasnt his public service resume more of an issue in 2008?
Hell, I have more public service time than bho did when elected president.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 28, 2016 12:47:02 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Are you kidding? I would love to have a daughter who was as smart and accomplished as Hillary. Lawyer, secretary of state, and presidential candidate? And as far as sticking by a man who abuses your trust? It beats being a man who's a serial adulterer, who has had four kids by three different woman. Can you imagine the flack that Hillary would get if she did that? All she's done is stick by her man. So, don't talk to me about piss-poor role models. Actually, I think that "stick by her man" isn't really what we all want to connote about their relationship. She's NOT suffering further embarrassments as Bill runs rampant thru young women... (well, maybe he is doing that - but he's being VERY discrete about the indescretions). She's also NOT suffering thru having to keep apologizing or covering up or just shrugging her shoulders as Bill goes along doing whatever it is wants to do. "Sticking by her man" makes me think of a down trodden wife who's stuck with an abusive, drunkard, no good husband - because she has little choice but to do so. "Sticking by her man" to me means she's the only one who's compromised - Bill has done nothing to change or work at the marriage.
I get the feeling that Hillary and Bill have worked out some mutually acceptable arraignement for their marriage - they do come across as being fond of each other. I have no idea what it's like in their private life. I suspect they BOTH have made some compromises to get where they are now. I strongly suspect Hillary would have dumped Bill YEARS ago if he wasn't on board with the 'plan' for Hillary's nomination and potential presidency. Any married couple going into this needs to be a TEAM - and that means they need to work together (and it's more than sex and love). I think she (and Bill) put in the effort to keep the marriage viable - but I don't think she did it solely because she was stuck with Bill.
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Post by swamp on Jul 28, 2016 12:47:38 GMT -5
But he is orange!!!! It's not an attack, it's an observation!!
It went much further than that. He was called "orange crap o'sack" throughout the thread (or something like that) and not one liberal said "hey, personal insults are uncalled for"...at least not that I saw. Granted, I don't have time to read each post. So it seems this board has different standards for the candidates.
ETA: And would it be ok to shame Hillary if she were a fat? Because that wouldn't be an attack, just an observation? But I'm pretty sure everyone would have a fit if that happened (and they should because shaming based on looks is wrong no matter how much we hate the person)
Chris Christie gets called a fat fuck on a regular basis. Probably by Trump too, whose butt his lips seem to be firmly attached to.
It goes both ways. It's wrong.
However, "fat" is just a description, as is Black, or orange, or tall. It really shouldn't be pejorative.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 12:48:21 GMT -5
Are you guys kidding? People have done nothing BUT make fun of Trump's hair.
Methinks the outrage over people criticizing Hillary is selective.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 28, 2016 12:48:22 GMT -5
Look at the words you applied to Hillary.....lying, manipulative, morally bankrupt, careless, self serving. I would say they fit Trump better. And hag is downright mean. That is something Trump would say....and I don't think he is an admirable person. Seriously? Look at how everyone made fun of Trump's look on the other thread (it has been quite awhile). Everyone makes fun of his looks, his hair, his orangeness. Is that ok because you don't like him as a candidate? I don't remember an uproar over all of htose insulting posts. Here's the thing. When people make fun of how Trump looks; it's things he has absolute control over. He doesn't have to get spray-tanned until he looks like a pumpkin dipped in deck stain....but he thinks it looks good. He's wrong. He doesn't have to wear that ridiculous weasel on his head....but he thinks it looks good. He's wrong. People call Hillary a hag because she's old. You think she has control over that? You're wrong.
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Post by quince on Jul 28, 2016 12:49:17 GMT -5
The only issue I have is listening to President Clinton extol the virtues of his wife and tell us all how very awesome she is, but she's evidently not awesome enough to not fuck around on.
For all we know she's had her own dalliances over the years but she was smart enough to pick people who wouldn't run to the press. I hope this is true. So, so much.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 12:54:39 GMT -5
Hillary's "mile long" public service record is another confusing point. Obama had like what, two years as a senetor before he was elected? Why wasnt his public service resume more of an issue in 2008? Hell, I have more public service time than bho did when elected president. And how much public service time does Trump have?
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 28, 2016 13:05:48 GMT -5
And that is the sexism that she is facing. That it's okay to call her a hag. Trump has been called every name under the sun, should Hillary be given a pass because she's a woman? Which of the descriptors of Trump in my post on the previous page are as mean-spirited and irrelevant as your Clinton "hag" label? Argue the facts, not the emotions.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 28, 2016 13:22:53 GMT -5
Hillary's "mile long" public service record is another confusing point. Obama had like what, two years as a senetor before he was elected? Why wasnt his public service resume more of an issue in 2008? Hell, I have more public service time than bho did when elected president. One does not need to be an elected official, a FLOTUS, or a member of the President's cabinet to engage in public service. In fact, holding elective office is only 1 of MANY ways to serve: Hillary has developed a myriad of programs and been instrumental in drafting legislation and has provided hundreds of hours of pro bono legal services all mostly related to women's/children's/health care/educational issues. What public service has Trump provided in his 70 years on this planet? How has he improved the lives of others? Miss Universe pageants and the Apprentice are not public service.
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Post by quince on Jul 28, 2016 13:25:50 GMT -5
Obama's experience was a big deal in the first election. Obviously the people who made a big deal about it were his opponents.
I'm glad a woman is up in the presidential race. I do wish she was flawless, because if she fucks up a term it will be used for decades as reasons women shouldn't be president. People DO expect sainthood from the first people to break a barrier, because people like things to be the same and resist change and look for any excuse to do so.
Despite her flaws, I hope she wins, because Trump making it this far seems like a punchline to a joke that I just don't get.
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