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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2016 21:13:16 GMT -5
I can assure you I won't be going back to the thread to pick out and present the bleating I clearly read and you clearly missed. I don't think I need to explain my reasoning, do I? You don't like bleating. I can sympathize. If we're going to turn this into a full-out debate, we should probably define "bleating".  I go by the strictest definition: bleating (v.) message board correspondence characterized by ALL CAPS, excessive repetition, short sentences terminated by exclamation points, and palpable contempt for an opposing viewpoint ETA: Here's an example of me bleating: ymam.proboards.com/post/2229702/threadI'm not proud of it, but it was for a good cause at least.  We do, indeed, define "bleating" differently. To me, bleating as applied to human communications is weak, petulant complaining. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 21:18:19 GMT -5
You don't like bleating. I can sympathize. If we're going to turn this into a full-out debate, we should probably define "bleating". I go by the strictest definition: bleating (v.) message board correspondence characterized by ALL CAPS, excessive repetition, short sentences terminated by exclamation points, and palpable contempt for an opposing viewpoint Hey, I resemble that definition.  Should I apologize considering all the ebola terrorist attacks we have faced?  It'll be real funny if and when it happens.  It's only by the Grace of God that it hasn't. It would be a trivial matter to get a sample of the virus. Any first-year biology student could cultivate it and get it into liquid form for dispersal. Get hired on at a McDonald's in the heart of NYC and dose every burger. You could infect 6,000 people seed before the CDC traced it back to you. Synchronize attacks with 20 sleeper agents in US cities all doing the same thing, a terrorist group of modest means could wipe out half a million Americans before the chaos was over. "LOLOLOLOL" "ONOZZZ" |
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 19, 2016 21:23:06 GMT -5
Hey, I resemble that definition. Should I apologize considering all the ebola terrorist attacks we have faced? It'll be real funny if and when it happens. It's only by the Grace of God that it hasn't. It would be a trivial matter to get a sample of the virus. Any first-year biology student could cultivate it and get it into liquid form for dispersal. Get hired on at a McDonald's in the heart of NYC and dose every burger. You could infect 6,000 people seed before the CDC traced it back to you. Synchronize attacks with 20 sleeper agents in US cities all doing the same thing, a terrorist group of modest means could wipe out half a million Americans before the chaos was over. "LOLOLOLOL" "ONOZZZ" Yeah. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 21:44:32 GMT -5
I see quite a bit of "bleating" going on in that thread and it isn't all coming from dj; nor, is it all coming from one side of the argument. Could we, perhaps, avoid that kind of comment toward other posters? It sure doesn't help promote the posting of relevant comments. Just a thought ... "ONOZZ! EBOLA! WE'Z GUNNA DIE!" Four pages of it, which was as far back as I could stomach. Come on. We give Mr. Trump a pass for less.  try starting on page one and working FORWARD. let me know how your stomach holds up. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 21:53:25 GMT -5
Virgil- here is post ONE on that thread: Well, I am sure everyone still believes the Obama Administration's assurance we are safe from Ebola and our CDC is on top of it................ we were, and they were. If one hospital can blow this so badly so fast.............Here is a question for everyone.
How long will it be, before Isis or AQ decides to take some suicide volunteers, infect them with Ebola and send them throughout Europe and the United States via international flights, scattering the disease worldwide in a matter of weeks? how about....NEVER? this shows a profound misunderstanding of the disease. same one you exhibited in your most recent response. pity nobody learned anything from that rather lengthy thread, and 4 pages of "bleating". i guess it is time for a 5th?  |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 22:43:24 GMT -5
Virgil- here is post ONE on that thread: Well, I am sure everyone still believes the Obama Administration's assurance we are safe from Ebola and our CDC is on top of it................ we were, and they were. If one hospital can blow this so badly so fast.............Here is a question for everyone.
How long will it be, before Isis or AQ decides to take some suicide volunteers, infect them with Ebola and send them throughout Europe and the United States via international flights, scattering the disease worldwide in a matter of weeks? how about....NEVER? this shows a profound misunderstanding of the disease. same one you exhibited in your most recent response. this is precisely what i was talking about: this is a SERIAL OVERREACTION to the "outbreak" based on assumptions rather than facts. and yeah, i gave it page after page of ridicule, Virgil, in the HOPE that it would sink in. and GUESS WHAT? it didn't sink in! the same insanity has revisited us.... again..... and again..... and again. has anyone learned anything from it? ANYTHING?  never mind. why don't you just put me on ignore, Virgil? you don't pay any attention to what i post, so you might as well just ignore it. or, at a minimum, why don't you give me some credit for being RIGHT? for ONCE? or do you still, REALLY think that it is ME that has earned your scorn over this one, rather than those that ran it up the "scared as shit" flagpole not for days, nor weeks, but MONTHS? anticipated reply: "there you go again with your bleating" "Bleating" isn't what you say, it's how you say it. And if Ebola can't be transmitted through ingestion, you'd better tell that to the CDC. How about this? Can you think of any way that a reasonably intelligent human being could spread the disease to a large number of individuals in a short period of time. If your answer is "no", you lack imagination. If your answer is "yes", then the details of how the outbreak is seeded aren't particularly relevant to the specter of possible terrorism, are they? If you don't consider it a serious threat and you've failed to convince people, either try another approach or shut up and let people who do take the topic seriously discuss it. A few pokes and digs is fine. Going on for pages with "ONOZ!" is bleating goat. It's why people can't stand liberals. |
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 19, 2016 22:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 22:49:33 GMT -5
I have to say, dj, unlike many others, was actually calm on that thread. Most of the time There was a lot of bleating used against me I was just looking at the last four pages. It's a mess of bleating, back-patting, and absolutely nothing worth reading being said. |
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2016 22:50:41 GMT -5
I have to say, dj, unlike many others, was actually calm on that thread. Most of the time There was a lot of bleating used against me If I recall, there was a bit of "bleating" coming from you, as well. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 22:53:44 GMT -5
Virgil- here is post ONE on that thread: Well, I am sure everyone still believes the Obama Administration's assurance we are safe from Ebola and our CDC is on top of it................ we were, and they were. If one hospital can blow this so badly so fast.............Here is a question for everyone.
How long will it be, before Isis or AQ decides to take some suicide volunteers, infect them with Ebola and send them throughout Europe and the United States via international flights, scattering the disease worldwide in a matter of weeks? how about....NEVER? this shows a profound misunderstanding of the disease. same one you exhibited in your most recent response. this is precisely what i was talking about: this is a SERIAL OVERREACTION to the "outbreak" based on assumptions rather than facts. and yeah, i gave it page after page of ridicule, Virgil, in the HOPE that it would sink in. and GUESS WHAT? it didn't sink in! the same insanity has revisited us.... again..... and again..... and again. has anyone learned anything from it? ANYTHING? never mind. why don't you just put me on ignore, Virgil? you don't pay any attention to what i post, so you might as well just ignore it. or, at a minimum, why don't you give me some credit for being RIGHT? for ONCE? or do you still, REALLY think that it is ME that has earned your scorn over this one, rather than those that ran it up the "scared as shit" flagpole not for days, nor weeks, but MONTHS? anticipated reply: "there you go again with your bleating" And if Ebola can't be transmitted through ingestion, you'd better tell that to the CDC. How about this? Can you think of any way that a reasonably intelligent human being could spread the disease to a large number of individuals in a short period of time. If your answer is "yes", then the details of how the outbreak is seeded aren't particularly relevant to the specter of possible terrorism, are they? . personal remarks deleted. addressing your remaining points: i never stated anything about ingestion. neither did VB. neither did you. i would call that a red herring on your part. have at it. i consider your second question silly, for the following reason: if one were to weaponize a pathogen, Ebola would be a STUPID one to use. there are far better choices, and i would presume that "the terrorist" would avail themselves to them. so, i am sticking with "NEVER" as my response to post 1 on that thread, thanks. if you want to place i side bet on it, i will put $1,000 on "it will never be used in an act of terrorism in my lifetime", and you can just wait it out. i will donate it to a Save The Snow Leopard Fund if you win. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 22:54:36 GMT -5
I have to say, dj, unlike many others, was actually calm on that thread. Most of the time There was a lot of bleating used against me I was just looking at the last four pages. It's a mess of bleating, back-patting, and absolutely nothing worth reading being said. time for page 5 then? given the fact that nobody seemed to learn a damned thing from it. |
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 19, 2016 22:55:43 GMT -5
I have to say, dj, unlike many others, was actually calm on that thread. Most of the time There was a lot of bleating used against me If I recall, there was a bit of "bleating" coming from you, as well. It was my thread. Consider it, "artistic liberty" I would have said poetic license, but there sure was no poetry on that thread  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 22:58:14 GMT -5
I have to say, dj, unlike many others, was actually calm on that thread. Most of the time There was a lot of bleating used against me If I recall, there was a bit of "bleating" coming from you, as well. Virgil is defining bleating the way that the US government defines terrorism and Virgil defines liberal: in a way that makes it utterly impossible that the accusing party could ever be caught "being" it. it helps matters when you write your own definition for things to "make" them true. |
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2016 23:02:34 GMT -5
If I recall, there was a bit of "bleating" coming from you, as well. It was my thread. Consider it, "artistic liberty" I would have said poetic license, but there sure was no poetry on that thread LOL! Artistic liberty, eh? There was little artistic merit to that thread but there were certainly plenty of liberties taken; so, I'll accept it as "artistic liberty". |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 23:04:58 GMT -5
And if Ebola can't be transmitted through ingestion, you'd better tell that to the CDC. How about this? Can you think of any way that a reasonably intelligent human being could spread the disease to a large number of individuals in a short period of time. If your answer is "yes", then the details of how the outbreak is seeded aren't particularly relevant to the specter of possible terrorism, are they? . personal remarks deleted. addressing your remaining points: i never stated anything about ingestion. neither did VB. neither did you. i would call that a red herring on your part. have at it. i consider your second question silly, for the following reason: if one were to weaponize a pathogen, Ebola would be a STUPID one to use. there are far better choices, and i would presume that "the terrorist" would avail themselves to them. so, i am sticking with "NEVER" as my response to post 1 on that thread, thanks. if you want to place i side bet on it, i will put $1,000 on "it will never be used in an act of terrorism in my lifetime", and you can just wait it out. i will donate it to a Save The Snow Leopard Fund if you win. If your comment about my "profound misunderstanding of the disease" didn't pertain to the mode of dispersal, what did it pertain to? As for Ebola being a "STUPID" pathogen to use for a biological attack: fine. You're quite possibly right about that. Even so, there are different ways of presenting this argument. One way is to present a rational argument and, in the event it isn't accepted, supplement it or else take one's leave. Another way is to present a rational argument and, in the event it isn't accepted, bleat like a goat for five pages. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 23:06:38 GMT -5
I was just looking at the last four pages. It's a mess of bleating, back-patting, and absolutely nothing worth reading being said. time for page 5 then? given the fact that nobody seemed to learn a damned thing from it. Four pages of sarcastic quips and sanctimonious back-patting didn't convince people!? I... W... S...  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 23:07:27 GMT -5
personal remarks deleted. addressing your remaining points: i never stated anything about ingestion. neither did VB. neither did you. i would call that a red herring on your part. have at it. i consider your second question silly, for the following reason: if one were to weaponize a pathogen, Ebola would be a STUPID one to use. there are far better choices, and i would presume that "the terrorist" would avail themselves to them. so, i am sticking with "NEVER" as my response to post 1 on that thread, thanks. if you want to place i side bet on it, i will put $1,000 on "it will never be used in an act of terrorism in my lifetime", and you can just wait it out. i will donate it to a Save The Snow Leopard Fund if you win. If your comment about my "profound misunderstanding of the disease" didn't pertain to the mode of dispersal, what did it pertain to? As for Ebola being a "STUPID" pathogen to use for a biological attack: fine. You're quite possibly right about that. Even so, there are different ways of presenting this argument. One way is to present a rational argument and, in the event it isn't accepted, supplement it or else take one's leave. Another way is to present a rational argument and, in the event it isn't accepted, bleat like a goat for five pages. you are still not reading what i am reading OR writing. let's try again. since lower case didn't work, i will try all caps: WHERE DID YOU OR VB MENTION INGESTION? simple question. please point out post and paragraph, and we will go from there. there is not ANY argument, rational or otherwise, if we can't agree on what is being discussed. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 23:09:14 GMT -5
time for page 5 then? given the fact that nobody seemed to learn a damned thing from it. Four pages of sarcastic quips and sanctimonious back-patting didn't convince people!? I... W... S... see? i told you torture was ineffective. |
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 19, 2016 23:09:46 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2016 23:11:56 GMT -5
Can we keep me out of this discussion? I cannot take anymore bleating from everyone from that thread. Oh, hell, no! If I'm gonna suffer, buddy, you're gonna suffer with me!  |
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If your comment about my "profound misunderstanding of the disease" didn't pertain to the mode of dispersal, what did it pertain to? As for Ebola being a "STUPID" pathogen to use for a biological attack: fine. You're quite possibly right about that. Even so, there are different ways of presenting this argument. One way is to present a rational argument and, in the event it isn't accepted, supplement it or else take one's leave. Another way is to present a rational argument and, in the event it isn't accepted, bleat like a goat for five pages. you are still not reading what i am reading OR writing. let's try again. since lower case didn't work, i will try all caps: WHERE DID YOU OR VB MENTION INGESTION? simple question. please point out post and paragraph, and we will go from there. there is not ANY argument, rational or otherwise, if we can't agree on what is being discussed. In my hypothetical attack (I don't know what you want to call it), the only post where I mention Ebola prior to your criticism, I suggest dosing food, i.e. infection via contact with the mouth or ingestion. I see no other candidates for a "profound misunderstanding of the disease". |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 23:17:18 GMT -5
you are still not reading what i am reading OR writing. let's try again. since lower case didn't work, i will try all caps: WHERE DID YOU OR VB MENTION INGESTION? simple question. please point out post and paragraph, and we will go from there. there is not ANY argument, rational or otherwise, if we can't agree on what is being discussed. In my hypothetical attack (I don't know what you want to call it), the only post where I mention Ebola prior to your criticism, I suggest dosing food, i.e. infection via contact with the mouth or ingestion. I see no other candidates for a "profound misunderstanding of the disease". it's funny- you are really great at providing links to MY posts, but you suck at providing links to your own. one more time, Virgil: WHERE DID YOU MENTION INGESTION (VIA DOSING FOOD OR BEVERAGES) AS A MEANS OF SPREADING EBOLA? i reviewed this thread, and could not find it. i don't remember it being mentioned on the Ebola thread, either. just post the link, and then we can continue the discussion of how viable that means of transmission is. |
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 19, 2016 23:17:52 GMT -5
Eating infected monkey meat was a strong cause of the spread of the disease in Africa.
In Texas, terrorists would inject it in barbeque to spread it across the state.
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In my hypothetical attack (I don't know what you want to call it), the only post where I mention Ebola prior to your criticism, I suggest dosing food, i.e. infection via contact with the mouth or ingestion. I see no other candidates for a "profound misunderstanding of the disease". it's funny- you are really great at providing links to MY posts, but you suck at providing links to your own. one more time, Virgil: WHERE DID YOU MENTION INGESTION (VIA DOSING FOOD OR BEVERAGES) AS A MEANS OF SPREADING EBOLA? i reviewed this thread, and could not find it. i don't remember it being mentioned on the Ebola thread, either. just post the link, and then we can continue the discussion of how viable that means of transmission is. It's the second post on this page. Anyway, my apologies for ducking out but it's 12:30 AM here and sleep calls. But I will read your response. Quote my post but put the reply in the Ebola thread. I think somebody opened it back up again anyway, so no harm done. Maybe you can convince me, at least, that Ebola is nothing I should be worried about. |
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it's funny- you are really great at providing links to MY posts, but you suck at providing links to your own. one more time, Virgil: WHERE DID YOU MENTION INGESTION (VIA DOSING FOOD OR BEVERAGES) AS A MEANS OF SPREADING EBOLA? i reviewed this thread, and could not find it. i don't remember it being mentioned on the Ebola thread, either. just post the link, and then we can continue the discussion of how viable that means of transmission is. It's the second post on this page. Anyway, my apologies for ducking out but it's 12:30 AM here and sleep calls. But I will read your response. Quote my post but put the reply in the Ebola thread. I think somebody opened it back up again anyway, so no harm done. Maybe you can convince me, at least, that Ebola is nothing I should be worried about. thanks. you will note that this is a post i didn't respond to. this was an exchange between you and bills, i think. here is your suggestion: Get hired on at a McDonald's in the heart of NYC and dose every burger. You could infect 6,000 people seed before the CDC traced it back to you. McDonalds cooks their burgers, right? that eliminates that possibility that Ebola could be spread that way, according to every source i have read. Ebola is spread through consumption of "bushmeat" (= raw), not cooked stuff. nice try tho. want to move on to soy milk? |
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Post by Opti on Jul 19, 2016 23:53:15 GMT -5
Can we keep me out of this discussion? I cannot take anymore bleating from everyone from that thread. Oh, hell, no! If I'm gonna suffer, buddy, you're gonna suffer with me! We can't just call this a board battle of Virgil vs. DJ and make it go away? <she typed hopefully../> |
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ymam.proboards.com/post/2507676/thread It's the second post on this page. Anyway, my apologies for ducking out but it's 12:30 AM here and sleep calls. But I will read your response. Quote my post but put the reply in the Ebola thread. I think somebody opened it back up again anyway, so no harm done. Maybe you can convince me, at least, that Ebola is nothing I should be worried about. thanks. you will note that this is a post i didn't respond to. this was an exchange between you and bills, i think. here is your suggestion: Get hired on at a McDonald's in the heart of NYC and dose every burger. You could infect 6,000 people seed before the CDC traced it back to you. McDonalds cooks their burgers, right? that eliminates that possibility that Ebola could be spread that way, according to every source i have read. Ebola is spread through consumption of "bushmeat" (= raw), not cooked stuff. nice try tho. want to move on to soy milk? Dose the burgers as they're assembled. After the meat has been cooked. Do they even cook the patties at the restaurant? I thought they got them frozen from the supplier and just warmed them up. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2016 10:43:23 GMT -5
thanks. you will note that this is a post i didn't respond to. this was an exchange between you and bills, i think. here is your suggestion: Get hired on at a McDonald's in the heart of NYC and dose every burger. You could infect 6,000 people seed before the CDC traced it back to you. McDonalds cooks their burgers, right? that eliminates that possibility that Ebola could be spread that way, according to every source i have read. Ebola is spread through consumption of "bushmeat" (= raw), not cooked stuff. nice try tho. want to move on to soy milk? Dose the burgers as they're assembled. After the meat has been cooked. Do they even cook the patties at the restaurant? I thought they got them frozen from the supplier and just warmed them up. yes, they cook patties at the restaurant. if you want to keep moving the goalposts until i say it is POSSIBLE, sure. and it is possible that you will get struck by a meteor today. my point is that "weaponized Ebola" fills the same slot in the pantheon of possibility as "giant squid becomes president". |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 20, 2016 20:06:02 GMT -5
Dose the burgers as they're assembled. After the meat has been cooked. Do they even cook the patties at the restaurant? I thought they got them frozen from the supplier and just warmed them up. yes, they cook patties at the restaurant. if you want to keep moving the goalposts until i say it is POSSIBLE, sure. and it is possible that you will get struck by a meteor today. my point is that "weaponized Ebola" fills the same slot in the pantheon of possibility as "giant squid becomes president". It's easily obtained. Extremely high mortality rate. Hideous symptoms, which inspires fear (i.e. the whole point of terrorism). Not easy to transmit, but not difficult either. No known cure, and takes months to develop a vaccine. What pathogen would you pick? Where are you going to get it? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2016 20:55:58 GMT -5
yes, they cook patties at the restaurant. if you want to keep moving the goalposts until i say it is POSSIBLE, sure. and it is possible that you will get struck by a meteor today. my point is that "weaponized Ebola" fills the same slot in the pantheon of possibility as "giant squid becomes president". It's easily obtained. Extremely high mortality rate. Hideous symptoms, which inspires fear (i.e. the whole point of terrorism). Not easy to transmit, but not difficult either. No known cure, and takes months to develop a vaccine. What pathogen would you pick? Where are you going to get it? mortality rate with Ebola is about 80% in Africa- but it is less than 20% in the West. it is difficult to transmit, and it is is easy to isolate. Anthrax in the inhaled form is 80% fatal. corpses are highly contagious. it would make a "great" terrorist weapon. i have no idea how to get it- but weaponized Ebola would also be quite difficult to obtain. |
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