Barack H. Obama elementary school to close

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...so, can we agree to privatize it yet?

[Shirina]

make it easier for teachers to indoctrinate our public school students into the Democratic Party propaganda movement

Did you graduate from Tin Foil High? It's rather strange how conservatives are always claiming that public schools are big indoctrination centers for the left while, at the same time, bragging about how there are far more conservatives than liberals. This, despite the fact that MOST people are educated through the public school system. Now how did that happen?

And no, it wasn't because they grew up and "came to their senses." If that actually happened, there would be a lot more atheists.

[Shirina]

...so, can we agree to privatize it yet?

No.

Once schools become "for profit," education will take a back seat to making money. Not to mention schools will merely become a plaything for the rich as most middle and lower class people wouldn't be able to afford tuition. In addition, wouldn't this be just like Obamacare that you all hate so much?

After all, we do have compulsory education laws, thus if you privatize schools, you will be forcing parents to buy something from a private company. Does that sound familiar to you at all?

[ed1066]

And no, it wasn't because they grew up and "came to their senses."

Actually, that is the reason.

[ed1066]

Once schools become "for profit," education will take a back seat to making money

Right, and with SEIU in charge, that's certainly not happening now...

[isabella]

Mar 19, 2011 14:12:18 GMT -5 Shirina said:

make it easier for teachers to indoctrinate our public school students into the Democratic Party propaganda movement

Did you graduate from Tin Foil High? It's rather strange how conservatives are always claiming that public schools are big indoctrination centers for the left while, at the same time, bragging about how there are far more conservatives than liberals. This, despite the fact that MOST people are educated through the public school system. Now how did that happen?

And no, it wasn't because they grew up and "came to their senses." If that actually happened, there would be a lot more atheists.

ha ha ha funny person! You only partially quoted what I wrote and asked a question about.
It was in the OP post that Ms. Campbell was behind a movement to name the school, the Barrack Obama Elementary school and she believed it would "send a subliminal message to the students. What was her subliminal message in picking that particular name for the school?

eta ... definition of subliminal messages... –adjective Psychology .
existing or operating below the threshold of consciousness; being or employing stimuli insufficiently intense to produce a discrete sensation but often being or designed to be intense enough to influence the mental processes or the behavior of the individual: a subliminal stimulus; subliminal advertising. bold done by Isabella.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/subliminal

maybe I need to post a definition of brainwash too?

[Shirina]

existing or operating below the threshold of consciousness

How can the name of a school be below the threshold of consciousness? That seems rather above board to me.

It doesn't matter what Ms. Campbell says when she uses the wrong terminology.

@ed

Right, and with SEIU in charge, that's certainly not happening now...

The union doesn't teach our schools. Teachers do, and they answer to elected school boards, not union bosses. While unions might strive to make money, the actual schools do not, for they are inherently unprofitable since they do not generate revenue.

If that were to change, then schools would have to charge tuition in order to stay in business, and that would price most parents out of educating their children.

The only other option would be to let businesses sponsor them, and then you'd have ads everywhere. I can just see teachers having to recite a commercial before each lesson, or worse, having to show one on the television. LOL!

[marshabar1]

It is ironic. This coupled with the fact that applications from schools to have the president come speak dwindled from thousands last year down to 14 this year, it's just. . . I don't know? Pathetic?

The children won't suffer, they'll go to other schools. Maybe they won't be forced to do Obama chants anymore.

At the name-changing ceremony students wore sweatshirts with the new name and the logo "Yes We Can." As you might guess, the young students are civic-minded — during the campaign they held mock debates and followed both candidates closely.

[ed1066]

I can just see teachers having to recite a commercial before each lesson, or worse, having to show one on the television. LOL!

Mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 18, 2011 12:33:01 GMT -5 Shirina said:

enrollment had dropped 35 percent in the past 10 years

While it's a quaint attempt to associate the enrollment drop to the president, the fact that enrollment has been dropping for 8 years prior to Obama obtaining the office, the joke really isn't all that funny. After all, most parents don't send their kids to a particular school just because they like who the school was named for.

I didn't find it funny. I found it HILARIOUS!!!!

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

... definition of subliminal messages... –adjective Psychology .
existing or operating below the threshold of consciousness being or employing stimuli insufficiently intense to produce a discrete sensation but often being or designed to be intense enough to influence the mental processes or the behavior of the individual: a subliminal stimulus; subliminal advertising.

Ha ha ha funny person! You highlighted the part you wanted everyone to see and ignored the rest! You know you don't cherry pick parts of definitions? Or can't you comprehend that a school name isn't "below the threshold of consciousness," because well, reading the name alone is a conscious act.

maybe I need to post a definition of brainwash too?

Well for your benefit, maybe. And while you're at it, give "hypocrisy" and/or "comprehension" a gander too.

Oh, and they were going to open up a George W. Bush elementary school, but even that school was too advanced and who'd want to teach kids to read with upside down books or have them put "food on your family" in home economics?

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

... definition of subliminal messages... –adjective Psychology .
existing or operating below the threshold of consciousness being or employing stimuli insufficiently intense to produce a discrete sensation but often being or designed to be intense enough to influence the mental processes or the behavior of the individual: a subliminal stimulus; subliminal advertising.

Ha ha ha funny person! You highlighted the part you wanted everyone to see and ignored the rest! You know you don't cherry pick parts of definitions? Or can't you comprehend that a school name isn't "below the threshold of consciousness," because well, reading the name alone is a conscious act.

maybe I need to post a definition of brainwash too?

Well for your benefit, maybe. And while you're at it, give "hypocrisy" and/or "comprehension" a gander too.

Oh, and they were going to open up a George W. Bush elementary school, but even that school was too advanced, and who'd want to teach kids to read with upside down books or have them put "food on your family" in home economics?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 19, 2011 14:15:00 GMT -5 Shirina said:

...so, can we agree to privatize it yet?

No.

Once schools become "for profit," education will take a back seat to making money. Not to mention schools will merely become a plaything for the rich as most middle and lower class people wouldn't be able to afford tuition. In addition, wouldn't this be just like Obamacare that you all hate so much?

After all, we do have compulsory education laws, thus if you privatize schools, you will be forcing parents to buy something from a private company. Does that sound familiar to you at all?

Education takes a back seat to big money NOW. And FWIW, I'm NOT in favor of "compulsory education" laws. I don't want my kid there with kids that don't want to be there. Let them pick lettuce if they want, but get the hell out if you really don't want to be there.

[Deleted]

Compulsory ed laws are really more for PARENTS than children. I think there should be alternatives for kids... but compulsory ed is about saying... hey, you have to see that your children get at least 8-9 years of basic education in basic subject...


'food on your family'... lmao... karma...

[Value Buy]

Re, closing schools....
Gary Indiana is going thru this in a gigantic way right now. The school city is morally and financialy dead. The city has lost 20,000 people since the last census, falling to around 80,000 residents, and many of them are from the slums of Chicago, forced out from Chicago's destruction of the public housing projects, thus replenishing Gary's abysmally declining population.
For those that do not know Gary's school history, it was rich and varied. Horace Mann (google him) put the system together, making Gary's school system one of the top ones in the country, at the time, although it was segregated due to the times. Even the Black school, Gary Roosevelt was a superior school, raising many children to grand careers in teaching, business, the arts, and politics.
Now the system is in it's death throes.
There are almost more private schools educating the children set up by Ball State University, trying to educate the children of parents, who are screaming for relief of the broken school system. Many have escaped to the suburbs taking advantage of the better school systems.
The Governor is trying to create more private schools thru the use of vouchers, for the parents, to pay for schooling, anywhere the parents decide. This is a statewide initiative not, just for Gary.
Gary's problems are multiple, lack of parenting from the adults, bigtime poverty, drugs, a lousy, inept school board, crumbling schools, and of course not the least, the teacher's union, protecting jobs that are not needed, due to no children left to teach, but we cannot have a freakin layoff.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 21, 2011 7:03:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Re, closing schools....
Gary Indiana is going thru this in a gigantic way right now. The school city is morally and financially dead. The city has lost 20,000 people since the last census, falling to around 80,000 residents, and many of them are from the slums of Chicago, forced out from Chicago's destruction of the public housing projects, thus replenishing Gary's abysmally declining population.
For those that do not know Gary's school history, it was rich and varied. Horace Mann (google him) put the system together, making Gary's school system one of the top ones in the country, at the time, although it was segregated due to the times. Even the Black school, Gary Roosevelt was a superior school, raising many children to grand careers in teaching, business, the arts, and politics.
Now the system is in it's death throes.
There are almost more private schools educating the children set up by Ball State University, trying to educate the children of parents, who are screaming for relief of the broken school system. Many have escaped to the suburbs taking advantage of the better school systems.
The Governor is trying to create more private schools thru the use of vouchers, for the parents, to pay for schooling, anywhere the parents decide. This is a statewide initiative not, just for Gary.
Gary's problems are multiple, lack of parenting from the adults, bigtime poverty, drugs, a lousy, inept school board, crumbling schools, and of course not the least, the teacher's union, protecting jobs that are not needed, due to no children left to teach, but we cannot have a freakin layoff.

Ahh, Lake County, Indiana...I'm very close to that situation because during the real estate bubble I ran the largest real estate entrepreneur and investor club in Chicago and a lot of speculators were taking their checkbooks (attached to their HELOCS) and running over to Gary and rehabbing shi**y little houses.

They were always trying to get me in there, and I took a look and said, "No way" for the same reason I wouldn't make an investment in Nicaragua or Haiti: It's corrupt. It's a gangland ruled by factions and fiefdoms.

I tried to keep an open mind- I took multiple tours through Gary with investors who would show me a project of brand new, pretty town houses on a given block or two area and would try to convince me how the area would "gentrify". They would tell me how HUD and myriad other agencies were pouring money into the area, and they would point to the airport, and Trump's investment there (casino), and the Mrs. USA pagent...

But you just can't ignore the obvious: people were moving OUT, not in. Right behind, next to, and in front of those new developments were burned out buildings, empty lots, and miles of blight. I never bought in.

The investors I know that did- including one who made $7 million over the years (and lost $5.8 of it) and who had an office in Gary proper-- have all either lost it all, are struggling to stablize their properties, or got out just in the nick of time.

Gary isn't a "low income" neighborhood- it's a "no income" neighborhood. It's not working class, it's a war zone.

And if you're poor and stuck there- the worst prospect I can imagine is having no choice but to put your kids in those shi**y schools. What a nightmare.

[woodwand]

If you haven't seen it yet, rent "Waiting for Superman". It was so sad to watch the reactions of parents when their child's number wasn't picked in the lottery to get into a charter school. They knew their child wasn't going to be taught at the public schools & the fault was with the teacher's unions. What's the incentive to be a good teacher when you can't be fired? Governors like Walker & Christy have got to win.

Unrelated to education, this thread reminded me of the Joe Biden Amtrack station that was built with stimulus money & was over 5 mil over budget. Aprapos.