General Election 2016: Clinton -vs- Trump

[Tennesseer]

Jul 5, 2016 22:58:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 5, 2016 22:29:44 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And the beat goes on. When will Ryan order hearings on Trump University.

Ryan: GOP will hold hearings on Clinton probe

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday evening that Republicans will hold hearings to learn more about the FBI's decision to not recommend criminal charges 

ok.  someone help me out here.  when has this EVER happened before?

Starting to remind me of former President Bush, the Republican-controlled congress, Jeb Bush, etc. all getting involved in Terri Schiavo's business at one level or another.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 5, 2016 23:06:15 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 5, 2016 22:58:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

ok.  someone help me out here.  when has this EVER happened before?

Starting to remind me of former President Bush, the Republican-controlled congress, Jeb Bush, etc. all getting involved in Terri Schiavo's business at one level or another.

i was thinking Whitewater.  but nothing else even comes close, in my recollection.

[tallguy]

After how many investigations on how many subjects over how many years?  Either Hillary Clinton is one of the cleanest politicians EVER, or the Republicans who keep pushing and performing these investigations are the most incompetent buffoons ever assembled.  


Ummm, both of those could be true, right?    

[djAdvocate]

Jul 5, 2016 23:15:23 GMT -5 tallguy said:

After how many investigations on how many subjects over how many years?  Either Hillary Clinton is one of the cleanest politicians EVER, or the Republicans who keep pushing and performing these investigations are the most incompetent buffoons ever assembled.  


Ummm, both of those could be true, right?    

yeah, i am not seeing any conflict there at all. 

[dondub]

  The only people that know Hillary is guilty are those that simply think she is guilty, know many others that think she is guilty which proves they are right, keep beating the drumbeat of guilty to prove they are right, yet have simply lost their way from the American system of justice where you are innocent until proven guilty. Even those that claim to never be wrong have sucked this teat until gorged.

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm waiting for a verdict to be delivered in a court of law and not from the court of public opinion where she is compared to a fry pan of melted cheese. Until then she is innocent

under our system of jurisprudence whether all the gadflies and gasbags out there want to accept that or not.

[djAdvocate]

oddly, the same people who argue most vociferously about her guilt are the same as those who argued vociferously about George Zimmerman's innocence.

no disconnect there whatsoever.  nosiree.

[weltschmerz]

Jul 5, 2016 8:12:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-statements-slow-start-put-pivotal-southwest-at-risk/

DENVER — Once a swing state in presidential elections, Colorado has teetered on the brink of becoming solidly Democratic. Donald Trump may have pushed it over the edge.

Trump’s disparaging words about Mexicans, negative comments about women and weak campaign organization have punctuated the state’s shift from a nip-and-tuck battleground to one that’s Democrat-friendly. For the first time in more than 20 years, there are now more registered Democrats in the state than Republicans.

“Trump is turning off as many key voter groups as we have in this state,” said former state Republican Party Chairman Dick Wadhams. “I would have to believe Trump’s having trouble.”

And it’s not just Colorado. Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and weak campaign structure could ensure that perennially competitive Nevada and New Mexico are out of reach as well.

.......and now he's offended the Jewish population.

[Opti]

Jul 5, 2016 21:54:56 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jul 5, 2016 17:09:44 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

There will be some other damn thing. Keep tossing shit until something sticks seems to be the political mode these days.

The problem seems to be, with Hillary NOTHING STICKS... even though it would stick to a regular person.

She's like that magic copper/ceramic frying pan that you can melt cheese into and it just slides right out, but it sticks to all the other pans. She's guilty, everyone knows it, but it doesn't stick.

She ain't called "the Teflon Queen" for nothin'!

In this case I totally disagree. There has been nothing proven that she sent classified emails knowingly. Of those that I believe were classified, I think 100% were classified after they were sent. Probably around one of the investigations.

Regular people would walk too. I don't understand why some people think just because they want her to be guilty, that that's enough. May you all go through similar witch hunts in your life.

[Deleted]

Jul 6, 2016 3:22:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 5, 2016 21:54:56 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The problem seems to be, with Hillary NOTHING STICKS... even though it would stick to a regular person.

She's like that magic copper/ceramic frying pan that you can melt cheese into and it just slides right out, but it sticks to all the other pans. She's guilty, everyone knows it, but it doesn't stick.

She ain't called "the Teflon Queen" for nothin'!

In this case I totally disagree. There has been nothing proven that she sent classified emails knowingly. Of those that I believe were classified, I think 100% were classified after they were sent. Probably around one of the investigations.

Regular people would walk too. I don't understand why some people think just because they want her to be guilty, that that's enough. May you all go through similar witch hunts in your life.

What makes you think I WANT her to be guilty. To be honest I wish she wasn't. I don't WANT to prefer Donald over the other candidates. I'd much rather vote for someone honorable and with integrity... however Hillary ain't it because she's... well... who she has proven herself to be... even if nothing does stick.

[happyhoix]

So Trump got handed a big fat opportunity - when the FBI announced it wouldn't prosecute Hillary, it first went through a list of things she DID do - and she was guilty of using an unsecured server to transmit emails. No, none of them were marked as 'secure' information, but in this age of cyber security, it should have occurred to her that even her regular emails should be transmitted through a system that wasn't easy to hack.

Could have been a big talking point for Trump to jump on, and he did, but then he just couldn't help himself. He had to bring in Saddam Hussein, and how, for all his bad traits, he really knew how to deal with terrorists - he executed them.

And right then, in speaking favorably of Hussein, he undid all the positive points he gained from bashing Hillary and gave the media yet another gaff to make fun of.

Which goes back to my original theory - he doesn't want to be POTUS, he never wanted to be POTUS, this is all just a fun lark for him. Some free publicity. A demonstration of his stellar marketing ability.  Only it went way further than he expected. Being the kind of person who can't gracefully bow out, he has to engineer a way to get fired, so he can go back to his dream job of being married to a Barbie doll and running his empire.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 6, 2016 1:18:32 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 5, 2016 8:12:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-statements-slow-start-put-pivotal-southwest-at-risk/

DENVER — Once a swing state in presidential elections, Colorado has teetered on the brink of becoming solidly Democratic. Donald Trump may have pushed it over the edge.

Trump’s disparaging words about Mexicans, negative comments about women and weak campaign organization have punctuated the state’s shift from a nip-and-tuck battleground to one that’s Democrat-friendly. For the first time in more than 20 years, there are now more registered Democrats in the state than Republicans.

“Trump is turning off as many key voter groups as we have in this state,” said former state Republican Party Chairman Dick Wadhams. “I would have to believe Trump’s having trouble.”

And it’s not just Colorado. Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and weak campaign structure could ensure that perennially competitive Nevada and New Mexico are out of reach as well.

.......and now he's offended the Jewish population.

Trump offended the Jewish (and black) population years ago with this two-fer.

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

[Tennesseer]

Jul 6, 2016 7:54:26 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Yeah, not only did he execute them, he did so not through due process, but by decree and a wave of his hand....

Not exactly what we and our Constitution typically regard as Kosher.

And speaking of Kosher.... he compounded it with that silly Hillary ad with the 6 pointe star.  Not that I think that was intentional.... but it was very stupid.  Further deflected from his golden opportunity.

Maybe not intentional but poorly researched by his paid attack goons and a 'gotcha' fail.

Similar to his TV ad about illegal aliens pouring over the southern U.S. border which turned out to be video footage of illegal imigrants pouring over a border wall in Morocco trying to get into the Spanish enclave of Melilla on the African coast. Made Trump look like the uninformed, incompetent dope he is.

[Value Buy]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/six-things-we-learned-from-the-fbi-investigation-into-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-email/ar-AAi86mJ?li=BBnb7Kz

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

And speaking of Kosher.... he compounded it with that silly Hillary ad with the 6 pointe star. Not that I think that was intentional.... but it was very stupid. Further deflected from his golden opportunity.

I thought he was supposed to have an awesome team around him now to make him more presidential?   Whoever it is that is in charge of his twitter account screwed up BIG time.  

Was his entire staff that unaware of the stereotype concerning Jews and money?  With all the accusations of Trump being a racist you'd think his handlers would go thru everything he puts out with a fine tooth comb.   

It reminds me of that school in Oregon that for Black History month served Fried Chicken and watermelon.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 6, 2016 10:16:56 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

He has a very bare bones campaign staff. No research personnel, no copy editors, no people to flesh this stuff out or edit it.

Whatever comes to that marvelous brain of his just..... leaks right out.

Septic tanks often leak.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jul 6, 2016 6:18:46 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jul 6, 2016 3:22:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

In this case I totally disagree. There has been nothing proven that she sent classified emails knowingly. Of those that I believe were classified, I think 100% were classified after they were sent. Probably around one of the investigations.

Regular people would walk too. I don't understand why some people think just because they want her to be guilty, that that's enough. May you all go through similar witch hunts in your life.

What makes you think I WANT her to be guilty. To be honest I wish she wasn't. I don't WANT to prefer Donald over the other candidates. I'd much rather vote for someone honorable and with integrity... however Hillary ain't it because she's... well... who she has proven herself to be... even if nothing does stick.

there is no honor or integrity left for any politician on the nation's level. And I have doubts about the local and state levels too.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 6:18:46 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jul 6, 2016 3:22:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

In this case I totally disagree. There has been nothing proven that she sent classified emails knowingly. Of those that I believe were classified, I think 100% were classified after they were sent. Probably around one of the investigations.

Regular people would walk too. I don't understand why some people think just because they want her to be guilty, that that's enough. May you all go through similar witch hunts in your life.

What makes you think I WANT her to be guilty. To be honest I wish she wasn't. I don't WANT to prefer Donald over the other candidates. I'd much rather vote for someone honorable and with integrity... however Hillary ain't it because she's... well... who she has proven herself to be... even if nothing does stick.

really?  my standard of guilt is well beyond "stick".

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 6:51:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So Trump got handed a big fat opportunity - when the FBI announced it wouldn't prosecute Hillary, it first went through a list of things she DID do - and she was guilty of using an unsecured server to transmit emails. No, none of them were marked as 'secure' information, but in this age of cyber security, it should have occurred to her that even her regular emails should be transmitted through a system that wasn't easy to hack.

Could have been a big talking point for Trump to jump on, and he did, but then he just couldn't help himself. He had to bring in Saddam Hussein, and how, for all his bad traits, he really knew how to deal with terrorists - he executed them.

And right then, in speaking favorably of Hussein, he undid all the positive points he gained from bashing Hillary and gave the media yet another gaff to make fun of.

Which goes back to my original theory - he doesn't want to be POTUS, he never wanted to be POTUS, this is all just a fun lark for him. Some free publicity. A demonstration of his stellar marketing ability.  Only it went way further than he expected. Being the kind of person who can't gracefully bow out, he has to engineer a way to get fired, so he can go back to his dream job of being married to a Barbie doll and running his empire.

i disagree with you.  i really think he wants it.  moreover, i am starting to think he wanted it since he first read The Little Prince.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 10:16:56 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

He has a very bare bones campaign staff. No research personnel, no copy editors, no people to flesh this stuff out or edit it.

Whatever comes to that marvelous brain of his just..... leaks right out.

and this is no surprise.  he said in an interview earlier in the year that he learns most about the world from HIMSELF.

i could never vote for that guy.  unless it could be shown that Hillary dined on the fingers of slave girls for breakfast or something.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 10:23:07 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Jul 6, 2016 6:18:46 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

What makes you think I WANT her to be guilty. To be honest I wish she wasn't. I don't WANT to prefer Donald over the other candidates. I'd much rather vote for someone honorable and with integrity... however Hillary ain't it because she's... well... who she has proven herself to be... even if nothing does stick.

there is no honor or integrity left for any politician on the nation's level. And I have doubts about the local and state levels too.

someone needs a hug. 

[Opti]

Jul 6, 2016 10:16:56 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

He has a very bare bones campaign staff. No research personnel, no copy editors, no people to flesh this stuff out or edit it.

Whatever comes to that marvelous brain of his just..... leaks right out.

I think his son-in-law and his children finally convinced him to get rid of some people. However, I think the children are likely better people than their Dad so I'm not sure how much they can improve things. Trump being Trump (lying ass calling out names) is going to remain part of the strategy, just less so.

Apparently they want to stay faithful to the big mouth brand yet hope lessening the yapping will bring new voters under Trumpella.

[weltschmerz]

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump may have failed to disavow the Ku Klux Klan in late February, but he’ll have you know he is not racist. In fact, he claims to be “the least racist person that you have ever met,” and last summer he pulled out the old standby about not having a racist bone in his body.



But he hasn’t given us a lot of reason to believe that. In fact, despite Trump’s protests to the contrary, he has a long history of saying and doing racist things. It’s not really surprising that he’s won the support and praise of the country’s white supremacists.



Here’s a running list of some of the most glaringly racist things associated with Trump. We’re sure we’ll be adding to it soon
.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

He's such an odious carbon based life form.

[weltschmerz]

....and that's an old list. Plenty more since.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 11:36:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

....and that's an old list. Plenty more since.

is the star of david tweet on it?

[weltschmerz]

Jul 6, 2016 11:43:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 6, 2016 11:36:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

....and that's an old list. Plenty more since.

is the star of david tweet on it?

Nope. Neither is "MY African-American".

[Tennesseer]

Jul 6, 2016 11:35:51 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump may have failed to disavow the Ku Klux Klan in late February, but he’ll have you know he is not racist. In fact, he claims to be “the least racist person that you have ever met,” and last summer he pulled out the old standby about not having a racist bone in his body.



But he hasn’t given us a lot of reason to believe that. In fact, despite Trump’s protests to the contrary, he has a long history of saying and doing racist things. It’s not really surprising that he’s won the support and praise of the country’s white supremacists.



Here’s a running list of some of the most glaringly racist things associated with Trump. We’re sure we’ll be adding to it soon
.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

He's such an odious carbon based life form.

From the link: “a great relationship with the blacks,”

Reminds me of the guy who says he has a great relationship with gays-all two of them (who are going to vote for Trump).

[Opti]

Jul 6, 2016 11:36:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

....and that's an old list. Plenty more since.

This one is interesting -

It’s maybe not surprising that Trump has brought so much racial animus into the 2016 election cycle, given his family history. His father, Fred Trump, was the target of folk singer Woody Guthrie’s lyrics after Guthrie lived for two years in a building owned by Trump pere: “I suppose / Old Man Trump knows / Just how much / Racial hate / He stirred up / In the bloodpot of human hearts.”

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 11:52:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 6, 2016 11:36:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

....and that's an old list. Plenty more since.

This one is interesting -

It’s maybe not surprising that Trump has brought so much racial animus into the 2016 election cycle, given his family history. His father, Fred Trump, was the target of folk singer Woody Guthrie’s lyrics after Guthrie lived for two years in a building owned by Trump pere: “I suppose / Old Man Trump knows / Just how much / Racial hate / He stirred up / In the bloodpot of human hearts.”

yfkm.

[Opti]

This is a pretty astute comment, so I am posting it.

Trump is a total narcissist and thinks everyone loves him. This is a red flag for a very insecure person who, despite wealth and fame, craves approval. When Putin called him "talented," he nearly creamed his jeans and went around for weeks saying how wonderful Putin was and that Putin had called him brilliant.

He deepest need is to be called brilliant and to be loved. When no one tells him this, he tell YOU that he is brilliant and loved.

How can a person born rich ever know whether people who surround him really love him for who is he rather than what he has and the benefits of sucking up to a rich asshole? Like all bullies, he is compensating for his inner emptiness.

Who else goes around saying: It takes guts to run for President. I have guts!

[djAdvocate]

Jul 6, 2016 11:55:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

How can a person born **** ever know whether people who surround him really love him for who is he rather than what he has and the benefits of sucking up to a *** asshole? 

i think this is a problem with all rich, beautiful, or famous people.  they always have to wonder WHY.