happyhoix
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Post by happyhoix on May 17, 2016 13:37:02 GMT -5
It's a business setting and unfortunately the person who needs to be discredited has the ear of senior management. While one person can't usually make strong enough waves, if enough people band together, then even friends in high places can't look the other way for long. I'm leaning towards the much smarter and more careful position of making sure that enough people are aware, but in a way that doesn't make me seem like I have an agenda. I'm not suited to be a revolutionary, and dethrone a whole bunch of people. I just need someone who currently has far too much leeway, reigned in. About 20 years ago, I was in a work situation where there were six managers working for a site manager, one of many different sites of this particular national company.
They promoted a new site manager up from the ranks of the tech people - so, no experience supervising people. Turns out he's hell on wheels, and has a Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde personality. When we have no site visitors from corporate, he's tyrannical, loud, prone to shouting fits, misogynistic and racist. But when talking to corporate, or when there are corporate visitors at the site, he is all charm and professionalism.
The site manager picked some scape goats at the facility to hang all the problems on - one of them was a really talented black manager who very quickly quit, after he'd been blamed for several incidents he had nothing to do with. Several female admin people who had to work closely with likewise quit. The office atmosphere was poisonous. He had several scary outbursts (in one of them, he drove his car at a high speed doing figure 8's in the parking lot).
So - the remaining managers organized a plot against him. We documented his behavior for a few months, then contacted corporate HR to ask them to come make a visit. Each manager had a private meeting with them and documented their problems with him. I think the final two nails in his coffin were when the sales department had proof that the manager was padding the sales figures (his bonus depended on making certain quotas) and when Accounting was able to demonstrate that he was cooking the books - moving bills from one month to another in order make the monthly totals look better, and falsifying paperwork to overcharge customers for services they didn't receive.
So yes, I did participate in discrediting someone who I didn't consider a personal enemy (I wasn't one of his scape goats) but I could see was causing us to lose good employees and the workplace had turned into an ugly, hostile environment. (I wasn't in sales or accounting so I didn't even realize the legal problems he was also creating for us, at the time). IMHO, the company screwed up taking someone with no management background and putting him in charge of a facility. We were one of the smallest facilities, so I think the company felt it was ok with letting this guy try his luck at being a manager, but that was a mistake. Letting him there on his own for months at a time with no supervision was also a mistake. Ignoring our initial requests for HR or for his boss to visit the facility was also a mistake. In the end, we needed enough ammunition to blow him out of the water (and the company) so we provided it.
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8 Bit WWBG
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 18, 2016 19:50:07 GMT -5
Wow, that is quite a situation. This person isn't getting physically threatening or (as far as I know) committing crimes. This is one of those "golden child situations where a person has too much free reign, a high title, and thinks she knows everything. I may not have to do anything though. People are starting to see she isn't as omniscient as she thinks, and that is causing questions to be asked.
I'm not sure I fancy myself the coup leader. Keeping my own work spotless is probably the best way for me to proceed.
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Post by toomuchreality on May 19, 2016 6:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 19, 2016 23:22:52 GMT -5
Amen. I'm still gloating about one of the women who slept with my then husband getting fired and escorted from the bank, thanks to me. One of the others husband divorced her. If they suffered half the pain they caused me and my kids, good. Yes, my ex was also at fault but you can't screw around on your wife if women aren't willing to help out. Also at fault? he was entirely at fault! He made vows to you and broke them. He promised to remain faithful and forsake all others. He owed you fidelity. The other woman owed you nothing.
They don't. And if those women had said no, Zib's ex probably would have found someone else to mess around with. But choosing an optional recreational activity that you know is going to deeply hurt several innocent people is a pretty horrible thing to do, and I don't blame Zib for striking back. Decent people don't pick hobbies that hurt others.
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2016 8:15:42 GMT -5
Also at fault? he was entirely at fault! He made vows to you and broke them. He promised to remain faithful and forsake all others. He owed you fidelity. The other woman owed you nothing.
They don't. And if those women had said no, Zib's ex probably would have found someone else to mess around with. But choosing an optional recreational activity that you know is going to deeply hurt several innocent people is a pretty horrible thing to do, and I don't blame Zib for striking back. Decent people don't pick hobbies that hurt others. Yes, he could have and probably would have lied to women that didn't know me or know better. But these women did. They deliberately set out to destroy a marriage and a family. It was fun for them. If they had expressed horror that he would even consider doing something so stupid, something his guy friends actually did, perhaps he'd have thought twice. But he had plenty of whores to encourage him to have fun and destroy innocent lives. I have no regrets at all. The one woman, the chief whore whom I got fired, now has MS. I don't feel badly about that, either. Who knows how many other lives she ruined? She got karma in spades. Fired, divorced, then MS.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 20, 2016 14:06:51 GMT -5
They don't. And if those women had said no, Zib's ex probably would have found someone else to mess around with. But choosing an optional recreational activity that you know is going to deeply hurt several innocent people is a pretty horrible thing to do, and I don't blame Zib for striking back. Decent people don't pick hobbies that hurt others. Yes, he could have and probably would have lied to women that didn't know me or know better. But these women did. They deliberately set out to destroy a marriage and a family. It was fun for them. If they had expressed horror that he would even consider doing something so stupid, something his guy friends actually did, perhaps he'd have thought twice. But he had plenty of whores to encourage him to have fun and destroy innocent lives. I have no regrets at all. The one woman, the chief whore whom I got fired, now has MS. I don't feel badly about that, either. Who knows how many other lives she ruined? She got karma in spades. Fired, divorced, then MS. ....and your cheating husband didn't? It's almost as if you're giving him a pass, when he's 100% to blame. HE destroyed the marriage and family. Was he so weak-willed that it wasn't is fault? It was entirely his fault.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on May 20, 2016 14:10:27 GMT -5
It was HIS marriage and HIS family. He chose to throw it all away.
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2016 14:13:14 GMT -5
It was HIS marriage and HIS family. He chose to throw it all away. Absolutely but he had plenty of help.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 20:52:59 GMT -5
For the last 18 months I've lived in a world where one individual, quite probably mentally ill, ran for public office and used social, print, and televised media to make incredible accusations of corruption against a number of people including me. This has divided our community and caused irreparable damage to countless individuals. I call is "political castration" and I wish for it every single day. If I ever have the tools to cause it, I will use them. I also pray for his wife and small child because they have and will always be the victims of his choices.
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