Typo or regional thing?

[Pants]

I've noticed a lot on these boards that people use the word "needs" in a weird (to me) way. They use it without the "to be" when adding another verb. e.g.,
The hose needs fixed
vs.
The hose needs to be fixed

I've just noticed for a while and am wondering: typo or colloquialism?

[Deleted]

Colloquialism.

[Pants]

May 9, 2016 19:19:59 GMT -5 oped said:

Colloquialism.

From where?

[sarcasticgirl]

May 9, 2016 19:27:02 GMT -5 Pants said:

May 9, 2016 19:19:59 GMT -5 oped said:

Colloquialism.

From where?

South

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[Deleted]

Don't know? I just think it's probably intentional.

I personally wouldn't use to be fixed. I'm in pa Dutch country?, I'd be most likely to say needs fixing though, I think? It's hard to monitor when not spontaneous

[suesinfl]

Colloquialism from the south. I'm guilty.

[Deleted]

Here is grammar phobia

"Here’s the confusing part. As a main verb, “need” can also be used with the “to”-infinitive (as in “he needs to go”; “the house needs to be cleaned”), in much the same way we use auxiliary verbs like “can” or “may” or “must.” But this is a legitimate use of “need,” going back at least as far as the 14th century. We also pair it up with the present participle (“he needs talking to”; “the house needs cleaning”). This too is a legitimate use.

What some usage authorities consider illegitimate is dropping “to be” and using a PAST participle, as in “the house needs cleaned” or “that child needs spanked.” There’s a good explanation of this in the usage note with “need” in The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (5th ed.).

However, this truncated expression (“needs washed,” “needs fixed,” and so on) is a well-known usage common to many widely scattered regions of the United States. It’s even more common in Britain, particularly northern England and Scotland. I would classify it as a dialectal usage, rather than incorrect.

There are two other ways to say this, both well established and both considered correct: “needs to be washed,” or “needs washing” (which I always heard as a kid growing up in Iowa). Since “washing” in this case is a gerund, meaning that it serves the function of a noun, “the car needs washing” is perfectly logical, like “he enjoys swimming.”"

www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2007/10/need-to-know.html

[midjd]

I don't hear it much around here, but drive an hour or two south and it's a different story. It may begin at the iced tea/sweet tea border... or the biscuits and gravy border.

[msventoux]

  I blame it on my very southern grandmother's influence.  Along with the love of black-eyed peas, red-eye gravy and pickled pigs feet.  

[steph08]

I do it. Southwestern PA. And an English major, to boot.

[Deleted]

I'm from the south and we don't say that. We say "needs to be fixed" or at worst "needs fixing".

[sarcasticgirl]

May 9, 2016 19:46:51 GMT -5 midjd said:

I don't hear it much around here, but drive an hour or two south and it's a different story. It may begin at the iced tea/sweet tea border... or the biscuits and gravy border.

Yummmmmm biscuits and gravy!

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[Pants]

Thanks all! V interesting (to me. I am a nerd.) The first few times I noticed it I almost couldn't overcome my grammar asshole tendencies and wanted to correct people. But then I started noticing it so frequently I wondered if it was me instead.

[alabamagal]

May 9, 2016 20:10:13 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I'm from the south and we don't say that. We say "needs to be fixed" or at worst "needs fixing".

"Needs fixin". No "g"

[Deleted]

May 9, 2016 21:22:03 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

May 9, 2016 20:10:13 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I'm from the south and we don't say that. We say "needs to be fixed" or at worst "needs fixing".

"Needs fixin". No "g"

Lol! You're right.

[973beachbum]

I guess I don't read close enough because I didn't notice until the OP.   In my defense it's a presidential campaign season.  I can't be reading all those posts and be looking at grammar.  I would just be happy they wanted to actually fix something.

The part that would bug me is the tense conflict.  Fixed is clearly past tense so without a time machine you can go back and fix something in the past tomorrow.

[NoNamePerson]

needs fixed

Hear "needs fixing or fixin' or needs to be fixed but needs fixed - nah!!

I need to start paying attention - I don't think I have ever heard this regardless of what part of the country I'm visiting. 

Of course I'm still wondering what happened to the word "much" as in "that was so much fun, lets do it again" turned into "that's so fun, lets do it again" 

[resolution]

May 9, 2016 19:46:51 GMT -5 midjd said:

I don't hear it much around here, but drive an hour or two south and it's a different story. It may begin at the iced tea/sweet tea border... or the biscuits and gravy border.

I live right on the unsweet/sweet tea border, and it needs fixed. Where is the biscuits and gravy border? Is it north or south of the sweet tea border? Because we have biscuits and gravy at all the breakfast places but i never see anyone actually eating them.

ETA that on the border, it is unsweet tea and not ice tea, because if you say iced tea they don't know which tea you want.

[midjd]

May 10, 2016 8:06:33 GMT -5 resolution said:

May 9, 2016 19:46:51 GMT -5 midjd said:

I don't hear it much around here, but drive an hour or two south and it's a different story. It may begin at the iced tea/sweet tea border... or the biscuits and gravy border.

I live right on the unsweet/sweet tea border, and it needs fixed. Where is the biscuits and gravy border? Is it north or south of the sweet tea border? Because we have biscuits and gravy at all the breakfast places but i never see anyone actually eating them.

ETA that on the border, it is unsweet tea and not ice tea, because if you say iced tea they don't know which tea you want.

I am not sure how it travels east of us, but the Ohio River seems to be the sweet/unsweet tea border. You can get biscuits and gravy around the same area, but it doesn't seem popular until you get closer to the KY/TN border.

[gs11rmb]

May 9, 2016 19:34:12 GMT -5 oped said:

Here is grammar phobia


However, this truncated expression (“needs washed,” “needs fixed,” and so on) is a well-known usage common to many widely scattered regions of the United States. It’s even more common in Britain, particularly northern England and Scotland. I would classify it as a dialectal usage, rather than incorrect.

This Scottish girl says "needs washed" .

[Tiny]

Hmm, "it needs to be fixed" if I'm at work. "it needs fixin'" if I'm at home. Never used or heard the "it needs fixed" That sounds like it happened in the past, to me - but of course it's all about the context that matters.

[Sam_2.0]

We drop the "to be" here in KC. We aren't really south, but definitely Midwest.