The summer preliminary Presidential race

[Value Buy]

Has broke out.
Let's start a thread here that we can run with until after the party conventions
Instead of stop Trump movement, we may have a stop Hillary faction.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-reason-americans-will-vote-for-trump-to-stop-clinton-poll/ar-BBsH89R?li=BBnb7Kz

[Value Buy]

Trump made the first move yesterday with tweeting his taco bowl meal.
I am sure the Hispanics will now come in line with that picture!

He even said he likes the Mexican political leaders.

[Value Buy]

I love the fact the media says Trump's "immigration stance" proves racial hatred on his part.

Note it is no longer" illegal immigrants". It is "immigrants". 
Incorrect. He espouses legal immigration. He and most  American citizens have a problem with illegal immigration, unless of course you employ a few of them.
Kind of reminds me twenty years ago when media went after Hollywood and Washington politicos for having illegal nannies and house staff and said shame, shame on you!
Today these same people in five years will be hailed as the beginning of the battle to protect illegals and were at the forefront of the underground railroad movement to protect them........

[Opti]

Yes there is big opposition on both sides. But, He'll say and tweet anything.

Often, Trump takes to Twitter, a medium singularly suited to Trump’s communication style, for this truth-dodging.

When Family Leader CEO Bob Vander Plaats endorsed Ted Cruz, Trump unleashed a series of tweets aimed at the evangelical leader. According to Trump,

Tweets in article. Not copyable.  www.theblaze.com/contributions/chronicling-donald-trumps-lies/

In fact, the truth behind the $100,000 speech fee is not at all as Trump described. The Des Moines Register reports it was Trump who asked for $100,000 to participate in the event. Vander Plaats — a “total phony and con man” — received nothing.

[Opti]

Today these same people in five years will be hailed as the beginning of the battle to protect illegals and were at the forefront of the underground railroad movement to protect them........

I think that's conjecture which will end up unproven. Some business owners are for illegal immigration. They are the ones to watch.

[Gardening Grandma]

I don't thnk the issue was his "immigration stance".  The issue was his portrayal of Mexican immigants as "criminals", "killers" and "rapists". And his assertion that the Mexican gov't deliberately sends their bad ones here.   His supporters don't make  much effort to distinguish between Americans with a dark skin and immigrants and he encourages that.

[Value Buy]

May 6, 2016 9:13:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Today these same people in five years will be hailed as the beginning of the battle to protect illegals and were at the forefront of the underground railroad movement to protect them........

I think that's conjecture which will end up unproven. Some business owners are for illegal immigration. They are the ones to watch.

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

[Tennesseer]

May 6, 2016 9:27:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 6, 2016 9:13:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think that's conjecture which will end up unproven. Some business owners are for illegal immigration. They are the ones to watch.

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

Somehow, I don't envision a laid-off IT professional harvesting tomatoes on a remote, southern 400 acre open field, 98 degrees temperature, commercial tomato farm.

There is a reason legal and illegal immigrants have flocked to the agriculture industry (for example). The work is backbreaking, hot, and energy draining.

[Value Buy]

May 6, 2016 9:37:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 6, 2016 9:27:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

Somehow, I don't envision a laid-off IT professional harvesting tomatoes on a remote, southern 400 acre open field, 98 degrees temperature, commercial tomato farm.

There is a reason legal and illegal immigrants have flocked to the agriculture industry (for example). The work is backbreaking, hot, and energy draining.

You are so correct on the agriculture industry. I will probably accede to the lawn maintence companies too. Blacks and whites refuse to do these jobs. If we did not have the illegals here, would the job not get done? Probably not the service companies would simply stop underbidding the jobs, and pay the wage scale necessary to attract the help they would need to accomplish the job.
I do not give you the building trades industry. These fields have been decimated by illegals working for five to ten dollars an hour less than citizens were making.
Even the slaughter house jobs would turn around if they paid the difference that used to go to the people working in the slaughterhouses.

[Opti]

May 6, 2016 9:27:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 6, 2016 9:13:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think that's conjecture which will end up unproven. Some business owners are for illegal immigration. They are the ones to watch.

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years? Which part of the "left"?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it. I'm not sure he does.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration isn't what is hurting older IT workers. Its ever expanding legal immigration. Companies getting govt to let them hire cheaper workers from other countries. Trump is totally for that given his own hiring preferences.

I would love to see a saner immigration policy. I don't see Trump doing that. At best he'll try to build the Wall where illegal immigration has been dwindling and ignore Africa & legal immigration issues.

[happyhoix]

May 6, 2016 9:45:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 6, 2016 9:37:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Somehow, I don't envision a laid-off IT professional harvesting tomatoes on a remote, southern 400 acre open field, 98 degrees temperature, commercial tomato farm.

There is a reason legal and illegal immigrants have flocked to the agriculture industry (for example). The work is backbreaking, hot, and energy draining.

You are so correct on the agriculture industry. I will probably accede to the lawn maintence companies too. Blacks and whites refuse to do these jobs. If we did not have the illegals here, would the job not get done? Probably not the service companies would simply stop underbidding the jobs, and pay the wage scale necessary to attract the help they would need to accomplish the job.
I do not give you the building trades industry. These fields have been decimated by illegals working for five to ten dollars an hour less than citizens were making. Is this the fault of the illegals, or the fault of the company owners who prefer to hire cheaper illegal labor? If those owners were prosecuted, would the hiring of illegals continue? If no one hired the illegals, would they continue to come to this country?  Why haven't we prosecuted business owners that hire the illegals? What is Trump's plan to crack down on businesses who hire the illegals?
Even the slaughter house jobs would turn around if they paid the difference that used to go to the people working in the slaughterhouses.

[Deleted]

May 6, 2016 9:37:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 6, 2016 9:27:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

Somehow, I don't envision a laid-off IT professional harvesting tomatoes on a remote, southern 400 acre open field, 98 degrees temperature, commercial tomato farm.

There is a reason legal and illegal immigrants have flocked to the agriculture industry (for example). The work is backbreaking, hot, and energy draining.

I often do back breaking' energy draining work in really hot weather. Pay people enough and you won't have a problem finding workers.

[Deleted]

I worked with a guy from Mexico who picked apples when he came to usa. Then he worked construction' that the is where I met him. Now he owns a restaurant.

[happyhoix]

May 6, 2016 9:27:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 6, 2016 9:13:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think that's conjecture which will end up unproven. Some business owners are for illegal immigration. They are the ones to watch.

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

I don't think he does.

He is currently using a loophole in the immigration laws that lets him import foreign guest workers to work at his hotel properties.

According to records Mar-a-Lago submitted to the Labor Department, it had received at least 296 local names for 520 seasonal jobs since 2010. Some applied directly to the club; others were referred through a job placement service.

Mar-a-Lago hired 17, about 6 percent of the local applicants, the records show.

Greg Schell, a lawyer in Palm Beach County who has helped foreign guest workers sue employers over labor violations, said companies frequently made little effort to find local employees before applying for visas.

“I have seen no demonstrated need to import guest workers for the hospitality industry,” Mr. Schell said. “Employers who want to find American workers find them.”

If Trump really wanted to help American workers, he'd stop importing foreign workers to replace them, as he has for 15 years at his Florida hotels. But as far as I know, he hasn't stopped, and he won't, because it would negatively impact his business to hire American workers.

Trump will only do what benefits Trump. He won't build a wall and he won't change this loophole that allows foreign workers to take our jobs.

www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html?_r=0

[bean29]

Trump's comments about Mexicans were way off base and won't be forgotten by the Mexican People.

www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/milwaukee-area-latino-population-skyrockets-b99718650z1-378276231.html

The population of Latinos in metropolitan Milwaukee increased 213% between 1990 and 2014, the overwhelming majority of whom were born in the United States, according to a new study released Thursday

■ The Latino population in metro Milwaukee has more than tripled since 1990 to about 160,000, or 10.2% of the region's total population, up from 3.6%.

■ The city of Milwaukee's total population dropped 4.5% between 1990 and 2014 — from 628,088 to 599,653. But the population of Latinos rose 174.4%, from 39,409 to 108,158 — or, from 6.3% of the city's population to 18.0%.

■ Almost 73% of Latinos in metro Milwaukee were born in the U.S.

The republicans in Wisconsin are very concerned that Ron Johnson may be vulnerable in this election as may be Paul Ryan Himself.

Those of you that want to buy into Trump's Racist Rhetoric are doing so of alienating an important voting demographic.  This is what he said.  We won't forget.  If Republican's want to put someone who says stuff like this on their ticket, they don't bother courting our vote.

www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/06/18/Mexico-Latin-America-condemn-Donald-Trumps-labeling-of-Mexicans-as-criminals/5901434621964/

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best... they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting," Trump said.

[Value Buy]

happyhoix stated:

Is this the fault of the illegals, or the fault of the company owners who prefer to hire cheaper illegal labor? If those owners were prosecuted, would the hiring of illegals continue? If no one hired the illegals, would they continue to come to this country? Why haven't we prosecuted business owners that hire the illegals? What is Trump's plan to crack down on businesses who hire the illegals?


This is the same story of the chicken and the egg. Which came first?
I agree there is no reason to employ an illegal. It's against the law.
Instead of asking what Trump's plan is, ask yourself why Clinton, Bush, and now Obama have not used the the Justice department to being the lawbreakers to justice.
Obama is welling to use the Federal prosecutors to prosecute state workers who will not issue or marry gays and lesbians.
Why not prosecute industry leaders who openly violate Federal law? 

I like you, will be happy to listen to Trump and hear if he plans to prosecute the offenders. I certainly hope so.  

[Value Buy]

May 6, 2016 11:56:20 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Trump's comments about Mexicans were way off base and won't be forgotten by the Mexican People.

www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/milwaukee-area-latino-population-skyrockets-b99718650z1-378276231.html

The population of Latinos in metropolitan Milwaukee increased 213% between 1990 and 2014, the overwhelming majority of whom were born in the United States, according to a new study released Thursday

■ The Latino population in metro Milwaukee has more than tripled since 1990 to about 160,000, or 10.2% of the region's total population, up from 3.6%.

■ The city of Milwaukee's total population dropped 4.5% between 1990 and 2014 — from 628,088 to 599,653. But the population of Latinos rose 174.4%, from 39,409 to 108,158 — or, from 6.3% of the city's population to 18.0%.

■ Almost 73% of Latinos in metro Milwaukee were born in the U.S.

Bean, unless the Mexican people you speak of are legal immigrants or American citizens, I and millions of others care squat what the illegals think. Illegal is illegal.
In your numbers you provided, could you tell me how many are legal immigrants or citizens, and how many are registered to vote?
I am sure many are well under the legal voting age, so even the 73% number could be mis-leading in their voting power, but does portend well in future elections.

In my neck of the woods we do have large numbers of legal Spanish American citizens and illegal immigrants, so I understand the difference.
Thank you in advance

[djAdvocate]

he is so ham fisted about his self promotion that only an idiot would fall for it.

[Value Buy]

May 7, 2016 10:04:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is so ham fisted about his self promotion that only an idiot would fall for it.

You see, that's why he is so liked by the base.
We recognize we have been lied to for decades now, and we are done taking the bs any longer.
We want a new leadership in charge of the party.
Hell, Ryan is beginning to look like a rino right now.

[djAdvocate]

May 7, 2016 10:42:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 7, 2016 10:04:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is so ham fisted about his self promotion that only an idiot would fall for it.

You see, that's why he is so liked by the base.
We recognize we have been lied to for decades now, and we are done taking the bs any longer.
We want a new leadership in charge of the party.
Hell, Ryan is beginning to look like a rino right now.

you recognize that you have been lied to, yet you believe someone who lies more than all the rest?

no, i disagree.  the reason people like him is that they BELIEVE he is telling the truth, not because he is.

[Opti]

May 7, 2016 10:42:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 7, 2016 10:04:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is so ham fisted about his self promotion that only an idiot would fall for it.

You see, that's why he is so liked by the base.
We recognize we have been lied to for decades now, and we are done taking the bs any longer.
We want a new leadership in charge of the party.
Hell, Ryan is beginning to look like a rino right now.

VB, you are smarter than this. Trump makes the lies of the GOP look like amateur hour. The best used car salesman on the planet are probably studying the guy for ideas.

[Value Buy]

May 7, 2016 11:43:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 7, 2016 10:42:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

You see, that's why he is so liked by the base.
We recognize we have been lied to for decades now, and we are done taking the bs any longer.
We want a new leadership in charge of the party.
Hell, Ryan is beginning to look like a rino right now.

VB, you are smarter than this. Trump makes the lies of the GOP look like amateur hour. The best used car salesman on the planet are probably studying the guy for ideas.

It is all about  "Change" in the Republican leadership now. They have not listened or worked for us in decades. The voters have performed the overthrow, now we storm the gates of D.C. this fall.

[Value Buy]

May 7, 2016 11:01:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 7, 2016 10:42:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

You see, that's why he is so liked by the base.
We recognize we have been lied to for decades now, and we are done taking the bs any longer.
We want a new leadership in charge of the party.
Hell, Ryan is beginning to look like a rino right now.

you recognize that you have been lied to, yet you believe someone who lies more than all the rest?

no, i disagree.  the reason people like him is that they BELIEVE he is telling the truth, not because he is.

I do not believe him. Never have.
I said I could not vote for him.
But I love the message anyway. He will rebuild the Republican party.

[djAdvocate]

May 8, 2016 10:32:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 7, 2016 11:01:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you recognize that you have been lied to, yet you believe someone who lies more than all the rest?

no, i disagree.  the reason people like him is that they BELIEVE he is telling the truth, not because he is.

I do not believe him. Never have.
I said I could not vote for him.
But I love the message anyway. He will rebuild the Republican party.

what "message" do you love?

[Opti]

May 8, 2016 10:32:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 7, 2016 11:01:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you recognize that you have been lied to, yet you believe someone who lies more than all the rest?

no, i disagree.  the reason people like him is that they BELIEVE he is telling the truth, not because he is.

I do not believe him. Never have.
I said I could not vote for him.
But I love the message anyway. He will rebuild the Republican party.

I don't think he will rebuild the party. He doesn't really care for the party. Like Sanders, its a mean to an end. Neither of them are spending time or giving money to the general party.

[djAdvocate]

May 8, 2016 15:06:07 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 8, 2016 10:32:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I do not believe him. Never have.
I said I could not vote for him.
But I love the message anyway. He will rebuild the Republican party.

I don't think he will rebuild the party. He doesn't really care for the party. Like Sanders, its a mean to an end. Neither of them are spending time or giving money to the general party.

neither of them believe in the party, per-se.

[tallguy]

I don't believe in the parties either, but I'll be damned if I want the voice of American government (particularly in the area of foreign policy) to be a bad combination of ignorance and bluster.

[OldCoyote]

May 6, 2016 9:37:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 6, 2016 9:27:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Did you think the left would name Hillary as being out of contact with the Democratic party in a mere two years?
I agree about the business owners and major corporations.
The Donald wants to stop it.
If you want to see job creation, or "opportunities", if you prefer that term, for American citizens and rising wage scales, stop illegal immigration.

Somehow, I don't envision a laid-off IT professional harvesting tomatoes on a remote, southern 400 acre open field, 98 degrees temperature, commercial tomato farm.

There is a reason legal and illegal immigrants have flocked to the agriculture industry (for example). The work is backbreaking, hot, and energy draining.

That is very true.

[happyhoix]

May 8, 2016 10:31:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 7, 2016 11:43:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

VB, you are smarter than this. Trump makes the lies of the GOP look like amateur hour. The best used car salesman on the planet are probably studying the guy for ideas.

It is all about  "Change" in the Republican leadership now. They have not listened or worked for us in decades. The voters have performed the overthrow, now we storm the gates of D.C. this fall.

The Visigoths and Vandals stormed the gates of Rome and western civilization entered the Dark Ages.

Overthrowing the status quo is only good if you have something better to replace it with. Trump is not only not better, Trump is infinitely worse.

[OldCoyote]

May 6, 2016 11:01:06 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 6, 2016 9:45:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

You are so correct on the agriculture industry. I will probably accede to the lawn maintence companies too. Blacks and whites refuse to do these jobs. If we did not have the illegals here, would the job not get done? Probably not the service companies would simply stop underbidding the jobs, and pay the wage scale necessary to attract the help they would need to accomplish the job.
I do not give you the building trades industry. These fields have been decimated by illegals working for five to ten dollars an hour less than citizens were making. Is this the fault of the illegals, or the fault of the company owners who prefer to hire cheaper illegal labor? If those owners were prosecuted, would the hiring of illegals continue? If no one hired the illegals, would they continue to come to this country?  Why haven't we prosecuted business owners that hire the illegals? What is Trump's plan to crack down on businesses who hire the illegals?
Even the slaughter house jobs would turn around if they paid the difference that used to go to the people working in the slaughterhouses.

You hire those that show up at your front door,  If only illegals show up, That is who you hire!