More Discriminatory Hiring Criteria

[alabamagal]

After the gpa hiring criteria thread, I read this:


espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15211210/josh-pastner-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-coach-says-hire-assistant-coaches-golf

This is my alma mater, and reading this makes me sad.  This guy sounds like a real SOB.

But if I was a candidate for this job (which I'm not) I would be hiding my golf clubs (which I don't own).

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Well that article proves my theory that you can do everything perfect according to the books and articles on LinkedIn but still lose out due to some random ass reason or personal bias of the hiring manager that you'll never be privvy to (unless they share it in an online article of course).

[swamp]

funny. one of my friends got a job because she golfs.

[midjd]

Who would want a job that won't allow for even 5 hours of free time on the weekends? 

And it's freaking college basketball. It's not like they're curing cancer or developing the next iPhone or something... 

[swamp]

I have opted not to hire someone because I thought she was a freakin' weirdo. Is that discriminatory?

[Miss Tequila]

Apr 15, 2016 15:06:56 GMT -5 swamp said:

I have opted not to hire someone because I thought she was a freakin' weirdo. Is that discriminatory?

Im not THAT weird...and I needed the job

[ArchietheDragon]

Apr 15, 2016 15:04:13 GMT -5 midjd said:

Who would want a job that won't allow for even 5 hours of free time on the weekends? 

And it's freaking college basketball. It's not like they're curing cancer or developing the next iPhone or something... 

$11million over 6 years says its pretty important. 

[tskeeter]

Apr 15, 2016 14:35:39 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

After the gpa hiring criteria thread, I read this:


espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15211210/josh-pastner-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-coach-says-hire-assistant-coaches-golf

This is my alma mater, and reading this makes me sad.  This guy sounds like a real SOB.

But if I was a candidate for this job (which I'm not) I would be hiding my golf clubs (which I don't own).

So, what's your opinion of Warren Buffet?  Nice old guy or jerk?

Did you know that he won't buy a company whose CEO sports a tan.  Buffet doesn't buy a company because of the business it is in.  He buys businesses because of the people in the business.  He wants people whose life is the business.  Not people with work/life balance and a tan from their recent golf/tennis vacation.

[tskeeter]

There are lots of reasons not to hire someone.

I once refused to hire a very bright young fellow because I thought that his only objective was to have me spend months of time and energy training him, then leave as soon as he had a modicum of a clue.  I needed some help, and I didn't have the resources to be his free personal training service and to not get some return on my investment.  Funny thing was, he did exactly as I expected to the person who did hire him.

Does that make me a jerk who discriminates on a whim, or does that make me an astute prospective employer who is able to discern the real motivation of a candidate?

[alabamagal]

Apr 15, 2016 15:17:39 GMT -5 tskeeter said:

Apr 15, 2016 14:35:39 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

After the gpa hiring criteria thread, I read this:


espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15211210/josh-pastner-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-coach-says-hire-assistant-coaches-golf

This is my alma mater, and reading this makes me sad.  This guy sounds like a real SOB.

But if I was a candidate for this job (which I'm not) I would be hiding my golf clubs (which I don't own).

So, what's your opinion of Warren Buffet?  Nice old guy or jerk?

Did you know that he won't buy a company whose CEO sports a tan.  Buffet doesn't buy a company because of the business it is in.  He buys businesses because of the people in the business.  He wants people whose life is the business.  Not people with work/life balance and a tan from their recent golf/tennis vacation.

My DS works for Warren Buffett.  He works for the company that generates the cash so that Buffett can buy other businesses.  Since he has an entry level job, I don't think he interviewed with Buffett.

Since my son is an entry level actuary, he is spending a good portion of his off work time studying for his exams.  He is on exam 5 (I think) out of 10.  When he was on our group family vacation in the Florida Keys last August he spent several hours of each day studying, so he did not get much of a tan.  A couple weekends ago he was on a trip to Atlanta for an actuary study course (company paid) and spent the whole weekend taking practice tests.  He did say that the hotel was the nicest one he had ever been in. I don't he saw much other than his hotel room.  He does not play golf or tennis.

[cronewitch]

Discrimination isn't a bad word. We use to honor someone with discriminating taste for example and judgement about people. We passed laws so you couldn't discriminate against protected classes but if you don't want to hire someone because they have purple hair or a tan or play golf or have prison tattoos on their faces you have every right not to hire them. Mom's cousin owned dry cleaners and wouldn't hire woman with long fingernails he claimed they had never worked a day in their life. Once in a while he would hire one for fun and after she broke a few nails she would quit. Yes he judged people and discriminated against some of them, it is what employers are supposed to do choice who they think is the best fit. Other wise just hire the first one to apply who meets basic qualifications.

[souldoubt]

We hire people we think are the best fit for a position and our company.  The reality is that not everyone is going to continue to climb the corporate ladder and you don't want to invest time and money training people who think they're above a job or will leave 1-2 years in.  Sometimes these are people who are already over qualified and you can see becoming bored with the job while others are hungry and will want to more than the job can give them.  There's nothing wrong with either of those type of candidates but again they aren't the best fit for certain positions we hire for. 

[dannylion]

I would not want to work for that guy anyway; he looks mean and scary and more than a little deranged.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 15, 2016 14:35:39 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

After the gpa hiring criteria thread, I read this:


espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15211210/josh-pastner-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-coach-says-hire-assistant-coaches-golf

This is my alma mater, and reading this makes me sad.  This guy sounds like a real SOB.

But if I was a candidate for this job (which I'm not) I would be hiding my golf clubs (which I don't own).

Josh Pastner was well liked here in Memphis. Many are sorry to see him go. Give the guy some time to pick his team, get them trained, and they can probably play some golf at some point.

[tloonya]

Apr 15, 2016 15:06:56 GMT -5 swamp said:

I have opted not to hire someone because I thought she was a freakin' weirdo. Is that discriminatory?

In your own business you can pick and choose by whatever criteria you feel like. Like pretty babysitters usually don't get jobs...mom's choice!

But in large organizations HR supposed to stick their likes and dislikes and go by resumes.

[tloonya]

Apr 15, 2016 15:52:01 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

We hire people we think are the best fit for a position and our company.  The reality is that not everyone is going to continue to climb the corporate ladder and you don't want to invest time and money training people who think they're above a job or will leave 1-2 years in.  Sometimes these are people who are already over qualified and you can see becoming bored with the job while others are hungry and will want to more than the job can give them.  There's nothing wrong with either of those type of candidates but again they aren't the best fit for certain positions we hire for. 

If overqualified candidate is young and vigor you can think that. However some people just want quiet life and agree to do less paying job. But if they came from higher positions you can hope that they are going to be better at this. Like you getting better quality product for same money you would pay otherwise. Not all the people looking to move up. Especially mid-age. Totally wrong concept.

I am having an orientation for job tomorrow. Manager when read my resume told me - 'I see you aren't for it for money'...because my salaries were 6 figures in past. I said yes, I just tired to be selling my soul for money. I want too keep it and LIVE! it hadn't scared him.

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Apr 15, 2016 15:41:27 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

My DS works for Warren Buffett.  He works for the company that generates the cash so that Buffett can buy other businesses.  Since he has an entry level job, I don't think he interviewed with Buffett.

Since my son is an entry level actuary, he is spending a good portion of his off work time studying for his exams.  He is on exam 5 (I think) out of 10.  When he was on our group family vacation in the Florida Keys last August he spent several hours of each day studying, so he did not get much of a tan.  A couple weekends ago he was on a trip to Atlanta for an actuary study course (company paid) and spent the whole weekend taking practice tests.  He did say that the hotel was the nicest one he had ever been in. I don't he saw much other than his hotel room.  He does not play golf or tennis.

And yet.. an amazing proportion of actuaries golf. I've gone to Spring Meetings (basically conventions) at the Boca Raton Resort, the resort on Kiowah Island, The Hotel Del Coronado, the Wyndham in Puerto Rico and many other places I've forgotten with names that make golf aficionados salivate. (I know; I came from a family of them but lack the patience or the co-ordination to play golf.) If you get into customer-focused sides of any business (and many actuaries are consultants or involved in bringing in customers to companies), golf can be useful.

[kittensaver]

Discrimination (the act of arbitrarily choosing one characteristic over another) is perfectly legal - except in cases where it's not.

In other words, you can choose to hire or not hire anyone you want for any reason you want except for a discriminatory one as defined by law.

The last time I checked, one's golf habits were not in a category protected by law from discriminatory treatment.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 26, 2016 12:40:02 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well Sir, if you choose not to hire me...... more time for golf!

I have discriminated in hiring, and I would again. The trick is to just be low key about it, and for gawd sake do not disclose a reason for passing over an applicant. It's easy enough to do.

And as the interviewer, don't write anything on the application and any supporting documentation given to you. Written inotes can come into question during an investigation. If you must write something, use Post-It notes that you attach to the application. The Post-Its can be removed when filing the application away.