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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 14, 2016 19:53:22 GMT -5
Sam_2.0 - is this the first year these powers-that-be have hired the life guards and is this also the first time a GPA of 3.0 or greater, or even any GPA of any kind has been required? And how many lifeguards are to be hired? I don't see requiring a high GPA as being illegal or discriminatory. What I see it as is a potential tie breaker. If this is the first year they are using GPA, I would recommend they post this requirement this coming September at the school(s) when announcing how the lifeguards will be selected for the following summer. A potential incentive for someone to work hard during the coming school year for a summer job. I will also say a high GPA is not necessarily a good indicator of common sense and street smarts which may be required in the job.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 14, 2016 21:15:48 GMT -5
I will also say a high GPA is not necessarily a good indicator of common sense and street smarts which may be required in the job. This true. I had very high GPAs in both high school and college, but, as my sister said, I was smart in books, dumb in life! She has a son just like me and we get along great! I did work as a waitress in high school (back in late 60's) and worked my way through college, so I wasn't so dumb in life as my sister thought. I didn't end up with nearly the student loan debt she did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 22:16:19 GMT -5
You never can tell with GPA, mine wasn't the highest in high school and I was reliable worker in a restaurant, I was motivated by the money. I was a little different though, I would have the highest grade in classes that interested me like History and Economics but would C classes like Algebra and English because I was bored to tears. I knew what GPA I needed to not have to take remedial classes in college and I hit exactly that.
Same story in college and grad school, I got high enough grades to get through without taking extra classes, I valued my time elsewhere that it would have taken to get higher grades. I think that is what has made me a good employee in the years since, I can laser focus on what it takes to hit multiple objectives.
I had an English teacher in high school that said I shouldn't even consider college, I would LOVE to see her now.
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 14, 2016 22:40:26 GMT -5
Used to work for a company that used a pre-employment test as part of the screening process. Applicants rated red, do not hire, yellow, possible marginal hire, and green, hire. In their infinite wisdom, HR decided that many ESL candidates scored the the yellow range due to their language challenges. It became common to hire ESL speakers who scored in the yellow range. Interesting that every new hire that I was aware of who scored in the yellow range was a dud. Including the HR manager who claimed to have graduated high school at 16 and who was supposed to hold a Masters. She wouldn't add 2 and 2 together without assistance from the accounting staff and was counseled out of the company within a couple of years. Apparently, there was more validity to the testing process than all those masters in industrial relations were willing to acknowledge.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 15, 2016 6:12:00 GMT -5
GPA might not be the sign of intelligence but it surely is a sign of more than just being able to fill in bubbles. That being said - my GPA in undergrad was horrible. I mean, "I am never admitting it to anyone and burning my records" horrible. I was lazy. I didn't like to study, I didn't like my classes. HOWEVER! Since I was working while in college and I REALLY liked my jobs - I did fantastic. I was the only person in my bank who was promoted to assistant branch manager even though I was only working PT and wasn't 21.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 15, 2016 6:17:26 GMT -5
Also, a bit on a side note - when I was taking my CPA exam I remember hearing from people how "CPA is not a sign that you are smart or a good accountant" and how " you can be a great accountant without CPA". Well.....that might be true, but it's a HUGE sign that you can persevere and have the diligence skills to complete an enormous task.
Again, I didn't pass the exam may be not due to lack of intelligence, but certainly due to my laziness and lack of discipline. So it was certainly a sign of "something". It was a sign that I am not very good at completing tasks that I find boring and not very challenging. If I was a hiring manager, I would have want to know that about an employee.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 15, 2016 7:20:06 GMT -5
At my PT job there are a lot of kids who work there. They drug test so that may change who applies. As far as I know there is no GPA requirement. I have found it interesting talking to kids about school as they approach graduating. Some have mentioned being rejected from colleges that I know are not that hard to get into. Some have mentioned being accepted by colleges that are very hard to get into. I really wish I could say the ones who got rejected from the local state college were the slackers but most of them have been great coworkers. They show up on time. They never slack if a customer is around or there is work to do. They pick up new things quickly and most are very willing to do new or different jobs. I almost fainted when one of the kids told me how smart one kid was and that he was accepted to Princeton. If you are too stupid to figure out what part of the store is the back and what part is the front after working there for two years, and he works in what is called the front end to the point his paycheck says "front end employee" you are dumber than a bag of rocks! Yet somehow he has good enough grades to get into Princeton.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 15, 2016 7:28:43 GMT -5
At my PT job there are a lot of kids who work there. They drug test so that may change who applies. As far as I know there is no GPA requirement. I have found it interesting talking to kids about school as they approach graduating. Some have mentioned being rejected from colleges that I know are not that hard to get into. Some have mentioned being accepted by colleges that are very hard to get into. I really wish I could say the ones who got rejected from the local state college were the slackers but most of them have been great coworkers. They show up on time. They never slack if a customer is around or there is work to do. They pick up new things quickly and most are very willing to do new or different jobs. I almost fainted when one of the kids told me how smart one kid was and that he was accepted to Princeton. If you are too stupid to figure out what part of the store is the back and what part is the front after working there for two years, and he works in what is called the front end to the point his paycheck says "front end employee" you are dumber than a bag of rocks! Yet somehow he has good enough grades to get into Princeton. As I said - I was always great at my jobs, bc I liked them. I wasn't so good at school - bc I didn't. Until I got to my Master's program - then I had 3.9 GPA. Again, bc I really liked it. I think it's easy to be good at things that you like.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 15, 2016 9:02:20 GMT -5
That being said - my GPA in undergrad was horrible. I mean, "I am never admitting it to anyone and burning my records" horrible. I
That was my last two years at Simpson. If you take IWCC and Simpson together my GPA comes out to around 3.4-3.3. However most employers informed me they didn't care, they only were interested in my last two years. I was a transfer student back before it became so popular. While the colleges had an agreement with each other Simpson really didn't offer much assistance when it came to transitioning. I fell thru the cracks making it up as I went along. Which cost me. I took a lot of really freaking hard classes my last semester because it was that or take five years to complete my degree (something my advisor strongly urged me to consider). Then my grandmother died in the middle of that semester. I am honestly surprised I passed any of those classes. I wasn't lazy, I wasn't stupid. In fact it was the opposite I was too ambitious and too "smart" for my own good. I bit off way more than I could chew. 20/20 hindsight I should have taken some of those classes over the summer at IWCC and transferred them in. That would have made things a lot more mangeable and would have resulted in better grades. But I didn't so my GPA is what it is. According to YM my GPA means I should be drooling in a cardboard box by a dumpster somewhere.
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Post by Regis on Apr 15, 2016 9:03:21 GMT -5
As one college admissions counselor told us as my son was looking into attending college there, "High GPAs and test scores don't guarantee success in our program. Low GPAs and test scores don't guarantee that you won't succeed. But we've done a lot of research and they're pretty damn good indicators."
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Post by Tiny on Apr 15, 2016 10:44:00 GMT -5
So, is a GPA that starts with a 3 (3.0 to 3.9) bad? Isn't that usually achieved with a mix of A's and B's (and/or maybe some 'C's)? I had a couple of 'C's in HS and a couple more over the course of my "college" courses and my GPA never dropped below 3.2 (or maybe it was 3.4) I never took a "failing grade" - I dropped the course before it was too late and tried again - and yes there were a couple courses in college I would have failed if I hadn't dropped them.
I do know successful people (hold down a steady job, earn good money, managed to save money, raise kids, etc) who had HS and college GPA's in the above 2.0 and under 3.0 range (not from the remedial 'track' and not the AP 'track').
I think the under 3.0 crowd struggled more in HS - with getting to class (more interested in hanging with their friends), with being interested in the subject matter, or just seeing the value in reaching for a better grade (they did just 'enough' to get by even though they could have done better , so they could do other stuff - hang with friends, work on some pet project, or be employed/earn money). OR they just took the failing grades in some classes... I've seen that happen - too, a typical A or B student who gets to college and runs into a class they just can't get a passing grade in - and no one told them they could drop it - or they stick with it out of some sense of "try, try, again" or 'tenacity' or belief that you must never ever give up... and they take the failing grade.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 15, 2016 11:00:09 GMT -5
Our HOA posted that they are hiring lifeguards. At least 16+, passed the lifeguard exam (both I can agree with), and need to have a 3.0+ GPA. The GPA requirement seems sketchy at best, and could be considered discriminatory & illegal I believe. Am I wrong? They aren't happy that I questioned that requirement on their post in our neighborhood site. Just out of curiosity - if you knew a 16+ year old who had passed the lifeguard exam but who didn't have a 3.0+ GPA and who you knew would want this job and who could do this job (show up when scheduled, would follow the rules, etc) would you really go "Oh, too bad! they don't have the 3.0+ GPA I can't recommend they apply for this job. Such a shame they are so unlucky".
Or would you mention the job to the kid and maybe offer some advice (or maybe offer them a recommendation if you know the person doing the hiring?) on how they could present themselves as being a prime candidate without the 3.0+ GPA? Or how they could go about trying to get themselves noticed by the hiring person - in order to make the case why they'd be the perfect candidate for the position even without the 3.0+ GPA?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 12:29:38 GMT -5
Our HOA posted that they are hiring lifeguards. At least 16+, passed the lifeguard exam (both I can agree with), and need to have a 3.0+ GPA. The GPA requirement seems sketchy at best, and could be considered discriminatory & illegal I believe. Am I wrong? They aren't happy that I questioned that requirement on their post in our neighborhood site. Just out of curiosity - if you knew a 16+ year old who had passed the lifeguard exam but who didn't have a 3.0+ GPA and who you knew would want this job and who could do this job (show up when scheduled, would follow the rules, etc) would you really go "Oh, too bad! they don't have the 3.0+ GPA I can't recommend they apply for this job. Such a shame they are so unlucky".
Or would you mention the job to the kid and maybe offer some advice (or maybe offer them a recommendation if you know the person doing the hiring?) on how they could present themselves as being a prime candidate without the 3.0+ GPA? Or how they could go about trying to get themselves noticed by the hiring person - in order to make the case why they'd be the perfect candidate for the position even without the 3.0+ GPA?
I absolutely would, if I restricted myself to going after jobs where I didn't meet all of the requirements I would still be at my first company. The key is to check off enough for an interview and then "wow em".
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Apr 15, 2016 12:32:51 GMT -5
Guys, this is an HOA. This is not some podunck organization. They are going to play hardball and play it hard. If they say they want 3.0 they are getting 3.0. You don't mess with them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 12:34:34 GMT -5
Guys, this is an HOA. This is not some podunck organization. They are going to play hardball and play it hard. If they say they want 3.0 they are getting 3.0. You don't mess with them. LOL I know a couple of HOA's that are run like the third reich.
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