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Post by Peace Of Mind on Apr 1, 2016 0:37:14 GMT -5
Yes, and my bubble is made out of Champagne. <<holds pinky in the air>> I got a 36. 11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33. 0–43: A second-generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot. Typical: 9. I guess my bubble is made out of the cheap stuff.
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Post by cronewitch on Apr 1, 2016 3:45:09 GMT -5
I got 65 but grew up poor and was poor when newly wed but that was 50 years ago almost. I worked in factories and wore a waitress uniform once but not in over 40 years. Most of my family starts in poverty then out grows it, young families with kids eat cheap food and drive cars that barely run then things get better, houses gain equity, kids leave home, savings grow. Older generation helps the younger a little bit but they are still poor. Most of us got trades or careers that lasted for life, dad and little bro about 35 years in union and SIL teachers union they all got pensions, mom in the post office, pension too. So by old age we are pretty well off. But we still do camping and fishing. I ate at Ihop this year none of the others, I have never been to an Applebees or most of those others, seldom eat out at all, I have been to Ihop 2-3 times in my life but it was by the airport and we were several hours too early so had breakfast. My neighbors are poor but I don't socialize with them. I act poor sometimes because I am too cheap to buy much nice stuff.
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Post by skubikky on Apr 1, 2016 7:04:27 GMT -5
How do you know if your 50 closest neighbors have a college degree? I don't even know if my next door neighbors do. The neighborhood that I grew up in was a mix of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants and fist generation. Of the immigrants, most never went to college. Their children though were able to take advantage of CUNY(City University of NY) which was basically free up until the mid 1970's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 8:38:48 GMT -5
They really need to adjust for age. I grew up in the 1950s and yes, there probably was a low rate of college degrees in the neighborhood- but they were rarer back then, and there were plenty of good jobs in manufacturing and retail that paid enough for people to own houses. That wouldn't be true for my son, who grew up when college degrees were more plentiful.
For the record, I got a 31.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 1, 2016 8:41:52 GMT -5
32
First generation upper middle class with middle class parents. Pretty accurate.
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Post by milee on Apr 1, 2016 8:53:52 GMT -5
Okay - this quiz made no sense to me.
I work in public mental health, in an agency that serves the most downtrodden in La La Land: severely and persistently mentally ill, long-term street homeless persons with multiple vulnerabilities/frailties (addiction, HIV and other chronic medical problems in addition to their mental illness). Although I work in an office, I have contact with said persons every day because admin works side by side/in the same building with programs. I feel like on a practical, day-to-day basis I'm totally busted out of any kind of "protected from the downtrodden of the world" bubble. The quiz didn't ask any questions that would have revealed this.
I'm the grandchild of immigrants. My father did not speak a word of English until he went to public school kindergarten (but he did go on to become a very successful PhD aerospace engineer).
I scored a 20.
There exists a new upper class that’s completely disconnected from the average American and American culture at large, ... (from the link) The people that you are talking about live in their own "disconnected from the average American and American culture at large" bubble. It is simply a different bubble than the one talked about in the article. Your exposure to them does not in any way connect you to the Americans who go fishing on any weekend when there is not a major NASCAR race and guzzle Bud Light while smoking a Marlboro.
Yeah, but the author's attempts to use certain attributes as indicators of a social class are based on stereotypes that aren't always true, either. Fishing is a good example. In this area, fishing crosses all social lines. Any given day on the bay, there is a pretty wide and even distribution of income ranges all fishing out there. You have anything from homeless guys standing next to upper middle class dads and their boy scout son fishing from the bridges to barely floating beat up jon boats floating next to the million dollar offshore yachts fishing next to each other. No way could you guess someone's socioeconomic status from just knowing that they fish.
I fish regularly. Almost always it's with one of my close friends who's a retired Army vet who definitely doesn't have a college degree. He still does carpentry and is very liberal politically (one of my Christmas gifts to him was a "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper sticker). No idea if he watches NASCAR, but he does watch all sorts of other sports which he talks about while I nod because I have no idea what he's talking about. We drink a lot of beer when we fish, but it's whatever was in the fridge of the person who brought it or sometimes what was on sale in the store, so could be Bud, Yeungling (his favorite) or craft beer.
So I'm a little skeptical of using some of these questions as a way to see which side of the "bubble" you're on.
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Post by milee on Apr 1, 2016 8:55:14 GMT -5
Now I am. I wasn't in my childhood Doesn't count. Kids aren't materialistic, insecure, or judgmental enough to deeply mind poverty. If they've got their KD, some cheap orange drink, and a ball to kick around, they're just as happy as the kid who eats filet and owns six X-Boxes. It's only when they hit about... 14... 15... that kids realize they're poor and their lives are supposed to suck until they can buy as much crap as the rest of us. You are either saying this to deliberately poke at Tequila or you are totally and utterly clueless on what it's like to live as a kid in poverty.
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Post by milee on Apr 1, 2016 8:59:56 GMT -5
I have a LOT of first-hand knowledge about other people's circumstances (via work, family members, etc) INCLUDING "working class" folks who drink and smoke and fish and eat at Cracker Barrel and go to NASCAR on weekends, and that knowledge exists along side of choosing to build a life for myself that is different by my choosing.
That's why I think this quiz is stupid.
Other than the smoking thing, that describes some of the things my family does on weekends and we're not working class. My sons love to go shooting with my husband and then we all meet for lunch at the Cracker Barrel. I'm pretty sure the "White trash" theme song plays in the background while we do it...
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Post by Bonny on Apr 1, 2016 9:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 1, 2016 9:43:08 GMT -5
We live in America, we all live in a bubble.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 1, 2016 9:48:00 GMT -5
Okay - this quiz made no sense to me.
I work in public mental health, in an agency that serves the most downtrodden in La La Land: severely and persistently mentally ill, long-term street homeless persons with multiple vulnerabilities/frailties (addiction, HIV and other chronic medical problems in addition to their mental illness). Although I work in an office, I have contact with said persons every day because admin works side by side/in the same building with programs. I feel like on a practical, day-to-day basis I'm totally busted out of any kind of "protected from the downtrodden of the world" bubble. The quiz didn't ask any questions that would have revealed this.
I'm the grandchild of immigrants. My father did not speak a word of English until he went to public school kindergarten (but he did go on to become a very successful PhD aerospace engineer).
I scored a 20.
I agree, the test isn't perfect. There are a lot it doesn't ask. But I think we all live in a bubble, to one degree or another. I don't think there's any shame in it.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 1, 2016 10:06:39 GMT -5
Okay - this quiz made no sense to me.
I work in public mental health, in an agency that serves the most downtrodden in La La Land: severely and persistently mentally ill, long-term street homeless persons with multiple vulnerabilities/frailties (addiction, HIV and other chronic medical problems in addition to their mental illness). Although I work in an office, I have contact with said persons every day because admin works side by side/in the same building with programs. I feel like on a practical, day-to-day basis I'm totally busted out of any kind of "protected from the downtrodden of the world" bubble. The quiz didn't ask any questions that would have revealed this.
I'm the grandchild of immigrants. My father did not speak a word of English until he went to public school kindergarten (but he did go on to become a very successful PhD aerospace engineer).
I scored a 20.
There exists a new upper class that’s completely disconnected from the average American and American culture at large, ... (from the link) The people that you are talking about live in their own "disconnected from the average American and American culture at large" bubble. It is simply a different bubble than the one talked about in the article. Your exposure to them does not in any way connect you to the Americans who go fishing on any weekend when there is not a major NASCAR race and guzzle Bud Light while smoking a Marlboro. Yes, after giving it some thought, the article/quiz is gushing your bubble from working class white American culture. The kind of guys who work in in a factory or mill, goes fishing on the weekend, smokes, watches nascar and football. The kind of guy who drives a truck and listens to country music. The kind of people supporting Trump. Basically, I think the article is getting at the fact that many educated, upper middle class and upper class people are becoming increasingly disassociated with working class people. Exposure to the homeless and disenfranchised doesn't "count" because they aren't part of mainstream culture. Given all the hate and de humanizing language directed at Trump supporters lately, I can see how this can be a concern.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 1, 2016 10:10:50 GMT -5
Doesn't count. Kids aren't materialistic, insecure, or judgmental enough to deeply mind poverty. If they've got their KD, some cheap orange drink, and a ball to kick around, they're just as happy as the kid who eats filet and owns six X-Boxes. It's only when they hit about... 14... 15... that kids realize they're poor and their lives are supposed to suck until they can buy as much crap as the rest of us. You are either saying this to deliberately poke at Tequila or you are totally and utterly clueless on what it's like to live as a kid in poverty. It depends on how we're defining poverty. Here we're defining it as "working class". If we go lower than working class, then yes, kids start running into higher incidences of stress, crime, substance abuse, suicide, etc. Ironically, if we go higher than upper-middle-class, we start running in the same problems, and with greater frequency. I had plenty of interaction with friends from poorer families growing up. I know the make-your-own-fun, coupon-clipping, turn-the-furnace-off-at-night, thrift-store, PB-and-J-for-lunch, presents-wrapped-in-newspaper drill. They didn't mind. I didn't mind. Humans are remarkably resilient, especially children.
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Post by ohmomto2boys on Apr 1, 2016 10:23:12 GMT -5
This is exactly what I got.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Apr 1, 2016 10:50:14 GMT -5
OMG. Did I get the lowest score yet?? LOL
Scoring
You got 25 points.
The higher your score, the thinner your bubble. The lower, the more insulated you might be from mainstream American culture.
11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33.
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Post by travelnut11 on Apr 1, 2016 10:53:22 GMT -5
OMG. Did I get the lowest score yet?? LOL Scoring You got 25 points. The higher your score, the thinner your bubble. The lower, the more insulated you might be from mainstream American culture. 11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33. Kittensaver got 20. And she's not happy about it.
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Post by dannylion on Apr 1, 2016 18:14:15 GMT -5
I got a 20. I live in a bubble.
I expect it would have been even lower had I not done military service.
It's nice here in my bubble. There are cookies.
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Post by gregintenn on Apr 1, 2016 19:44:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't one soon deplete the oxygen supply inside a bubble? I don't understand the point of the quiz, article, or this thread.
Is it supposed to suggest that we're too stupid to notice what happens around us?
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 1, 2016 19:47:39 GMT -5
11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33.
0–43: A second-generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot. Typical: 9.
With 26 I should be UMC but whatever... MC is more accurate
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 20:29:02 GMT -5
Score: 55 48–99: A lifelong resident of a working-class neighborhood with average television and movie going habits. Typical: 77.
Those were some really stupid ass questions.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 1, 2016 21:35:13 GMT -5
... Those were some really stupid ass questions. I thought the "Why this question" offered some good reasons for the questions.
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Post by cronewitch on Apr 1, 2016 21:35:51 GMT -5
I got a higher score because I am really old so lots of stuff happened to me like living in a small town a year in 1971 or so. I got 65 but am pretty disconnected from poverty lifestyle of the currently poor. One of my brothers had a decent job in a tiny town but had 7 kids so making decent money they were still poor. Once his youngest daughter said she was glad they weren't poor. She saw poor on tv they lived in huts and had big bellies from lack of protein. They lived in a house over a hundred years old in poor condition without much in it and died from the house fire with her two youngest brothers without ever knowing they were poor. Bad electrical wiring might be a sign of poverty without the kids knowing they were poor.
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Post by buystoys on Apr 2, 2016 8:26:20 GMT -5
Man! I must suck! I got 73.
48–99: A lifelong resident of a working-class neighborhood with average television and movie going habits. Typical: 77.
Part of it, I think, is from growing up in rural America and now living again in that same region. We have a pickup, I know who Jimmie Johnson is as well as who Jimmy Johnson is, we buy Bud Light for the beer fridge in addition to the craft beers DH likes, we don't watch NASCAR but my dad and brother are big fans, most of my neighbors now don't have college degrees and those were rare when I was growing up (only hospital, school, and bank employees tended to have degrees,) and I had some really rough years financially when I started out on my own.
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Post by sapphire12 on Apr 4, 2016 21:01:26 GMT -5
I scored a 32 but two descriptors were highlighted? 11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33. 0–43: A second-generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot. Typical: 9. I do get out a lot, and I had the rich dad/poor mom dynamic growing up? ETA: I kind of just assumed most people around here graduated college, that might not be so? I think I'm part of the new blood that came in during the past 10 years. Oops! I also scored 32. I'm kind of a hybrid of the two highlighted descriptors. Vacationing out of the country is my version of getting out. I suppose there are a couple of others things that might count, but ....
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Apr 5, 2016 1:08:35 GMT -5
SCORE: 44
42–100: A first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and movie going habits.
Is this because I prefer local restaurants over chains? Or because I only watch 1 of the TV shows on the list?
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Post by gs11rmb on Apr 5, 2016 9:38:46 GMT -5
I'm an immigrant and scored 15. I'm really surprised my regular trips to Waffle House didn't push the score higher .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 10:48:52 GMT -5
I scored 43. Not really sure what that means though.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 5, 2016 11:00:45 GMT -5
I scored 43. Not really sure what that means though. Not much really. 100 means you do everything the "typical" American does. Watch all the most watched TV shows, see all the most seen movies, go to all the most popular resturants, etc, etc. It means you have lived at least a part of your life in the way that a large percentage of the American population has. I found that looking at the individual questions and the why asked that is below the questions was interesting. My total score I found less interesting.
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Post by kittensaver on Apr 5, 2016 14:21:15 GMT -5
OMG. Did I get the lowest score yet?? LOL Scoring You got 25 points. The higher your score, the thinner your bubble. The lower, the more insulated you might be from mainstream American culture. 11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33. Kittensaver got 20. And she's not happy about it. Kittensaver is neither happy nor unhappy.
Kittensaver just thinks this quiz is a stupid way to measure "insulation from mainstream American culture."
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Post by alabamagal on Apr 5, 2016 16:45:19 GMT -5
I got 58. A lot of the questions were interesting.
I am not a big fan of chain restaurants. Instead of going to Chilis we go to small Mexican restaurants because they are cheaper and have better food. We also go to nice restaurants.
I go fishing. But not a pole on the side of the road, on a nice boat on vacation with my family. That type of fishing requires $. One time while fishing in the Keys I actually saw Jimmy Johnson (not Jimmie Johnson) on his very nice boat!
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