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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 14:43:09 GMT -5
I like to fish...
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Post by yogiii on Mar 31, 2016 14:44:35 GMT -5
There exists a new upper class that’s completely disconnected from the average American and American culture at large, ... (from the link) The people that you are talking about live in their own "disconnected from the average American and American culture at large" bubble. It is simply a different bubble than the one talked about in the article. Your exposure to them does not in any way connect you to the Americans who go fishing on any weekend when there is not a major NASCAR race and guzzle Bud Light while smoking a Marlboro.
But I have these folks (highlighted above) in my family . . . many of them. They live mostly in Michigan/Ohio, and a few outside of Atlanta.
Again,
Or maybe I just think this quiz is stupid . . . .
Who physically surrounds you growing up can have a big impact, it doesn't matter so much if they are related or not. My parents were poor, working on going to middle class but they didn't have any of those "stereotypical" behaviors in the quiz like drinking bud etc. If anything they were trying to act like the people who had more money. We went to museums and stuff like that a lot. You can do a lot of free "rich people" things.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 31, 2016 14:49:06 GMT -5
I live in Michigan, and I'm very familiar with the Marlboro smokers (MIL), Bud Light drinkers (DH), fishermen (DB), and Nascar watchers (ex-coworkers). Apparently I'm isolated from them? My DF was an engineer, but he worked in a factory where his hands were permanently dirtied and beaten up. This quiz reflects none of that. I don't smoke, so I don't go around seeking 2nd hand smoke. I don't have to now that it's been outlawed in most public places. This quiz really doesn't seem to reflect my experiences at all, just a bunch of loose correlations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 14:51:18 GMT -5
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 31, 2016 14:51:27 GMT -5
59 points. I'd like to think I'm not totally ignorant of other people's circumstances but lucky enough to have a nice life for myself. THANK YOU for saying this. You said it much better than I've been trying to say it.
I have a LOT of first-hand knowledge about other people's circumstances (via work, family members, etc) INCLUDING "working class" folks who drink and smoke and fish and eat at Cracker Barrel and go to NASCAR on weekends, and that knowledge exists along side of choosing to build a life for myself that is different by my choosing.
That's why I think this quiz is stupid.
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Post by simser on Mar 31, 2016 14:51:56 GMT -5
I scored 42, and the range for what I consider myself to be was like 6-43 (2nd gen upper middle class who gets out).
Of course most of my street cred comes from work. Yes, I work on a factory floor. I have to wear a uniform to do that. But most people would consider my job- which I needed a PhD to get- to not be "factory" work.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 31, 2016 15:03:50 GMT -5
40. Both the following were highlighted:
11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33.
0–43: A second-generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot. Typical: 9.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 31, 2016 15:10:22 GMT -5
59 points. I'd like to think I'm not totally ignorant of other people's circumstances but lucky enough to have a nice life for myself. THANK YOU for saying this. You said it much better than I've been trying to say it.
I have a LOT of first-hand knowledge about other people's circumstances (via work, family members, etc) INCLUDING "working class" folks who drink and smoke and fish and eat at Cracker Barrel and go to NASCAR on weekends, and that knowledge exists along side of choosing to build a life for myself that is different by my choosing.
That's why I think this quiz is stupid.
I like the quiz because I think that the discussion it is generating is insightful and fun.
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 31, 2016 15:11:15 GMT -5
THANK YOU for saying this. You said it much better than I've been trying to say it.
I have a LOT of first-hand knowledge about other people's circumstances (via work, family members, etc) INCLUDING "working class" folks who drink and smoke and fish and eat at Cracker Barrel and go to NASCAR on weekends, and that knowledge exists along side of choosing to build a life for myself that is different by my choosing.
That's why I think this quiz is stupid.
I like the quiz because I think that the discussion it is generating is insightful and fun. True.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 31, 2016 15:46:21 GMT -5
I still can't believe NOT drink Bud Light is a bad thing! Lol.
I should have known I was hoity-toity when I answered that I haven't purchased "mass market" beer (I assume Bud/Coors/Miller) in the past year, and i haven't eaten at any of the listed chains in the past year.
Now excuse me, I have to go get ready to meet my run club at the local microbrewery. Lol, I actually mean it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:03:51 GMT -5
Factory, yes, I worked there for 2 1/2 days, but technically... And yeah the restaurant. If it had said red robin instead, lol.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 31, 2016 16:38:19 GMT -5
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Post by debthaven on Mar 31, 2016 19:01:41 GMT -5
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Post by debthaven on Mar 31, 2016 19:02:38 GMT -5
I thought this quiz was very interesting because it asked a lot of different questions about different facets of one's life.
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 31, 2016 19:16:51 GMT -5
I scored a 50.
What the hell is the point of the quiz? PBS is yet another example of government interfering with something it should have nothing to do with.
If you live in my county, you fish and drive a pickup truck!
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Post by resolution on Mar 31, 2016 19:18:38 GMT -5
52 - but it had three sections highlighted that contradict each other. Nothing really for second generation middle class.
48–99: A lifelong resident of a working-class neighborhood with average television and movie going habits. Typical: 77.
42–100: A first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and movie going habits. Typical: 66.
11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33.
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Post by nuttytwo on Mar 31, 2016 19:33:40 GMT -5
42–100: A first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and movie going habits. Typical: 66.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Mar 31, 2016 19:52:02 GMT -5
65 points.
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Post by giramomma on Mar 31, 2016 19:58:33 GMT -5
I took the quiz and got either a 17 or 19.
Which I think is pretty funny, because we are really not upper middle class. I couldn't really choose any of the restaurants on the list... not because we're too good eat at them, but because there's not the money to eat out in our budget right now.
We don't go see movies, because we can't waste free babysitting on pleasure because we need it for work/kid obligations. That's much different than thinking pop culture is beneath us.
I think the fishing thing isn't a good indicator of class, either.
I live in an urban area, and have access to 4 lakes within a 15-20 minute drive. Most of the people we know that have second homes with frontage on a lake are mostly wealthy.
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Post by teen persuasion on Mar 31, 2016 20:01:04 GMT -5
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I didn't click on any of the "why this question" as I went thru the first time. I went back to read them - it seems counterintuitive that I'm labelled more upper middle class, because don't have money for eating out, drinking, smoking, movies, or sports. Ok, I really don't like most of those things (I'll eventually see the movies on that list, we've got them at the library, I'm just letting patrons have first crack at them), or the TV shows listed. Oh, and I'm just clueless about military rank, despite DD1 being Navy.
It felt more like a test of education level, not income class. And it only asked things from my POV; DH worked in a factory, his mom smoked, etc.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 31, 2016 20:23:38 GMT -5
33. But I'm third-generation upper-middle-class, and I don't watch TV. I'm not sure "bubble" is really the word Dr. Murray wants here. He's describing the state of being disinterested in the popular interests of the working class. "Bubble" implies obliviousness rather than disinterest. A better wording might be "How detached are your lifestyle and habits from those of the working class?"
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Mar 31, 2016 20:25:38 GMT -5
42–100: A first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and average television and movie going habits. Typical: 66.
I live in a bubble of love and light.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 31, 2016 20:30:38 GMT -5
I scored 37 and it said "A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle class parents."
How did they know?! That's my description too. Not sure we qualified ad middle class, though. Do middle class people live in government housing and eat free cheese??lol
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 31, 2016 20:34:50 GMT -5
Everybody on YMAM is at least middle-class. I'm guessing 80% of us are upper-middle-class.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 31, 2016 20:48:01 GMT -5
I scored a 32 but two descriptors were highlighted? 11–80: A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Typical: 33. 0–43: A second-generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot. Typical: 9. I do get out a lot, and I had the rich dad/poor mom dynamic growing up? ETA: I kind of just assumed most people around here graduated college, that might not be so? I think I'm part of the new blood that came in during the past 10 years. Oops! I got a 34 and same comment.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 31, 2016 20:48:36 GMT -5
Everybody on YMAM is at least middle-class. I'm guessing 80% of us are upper-middle-class. Now I am. I wasn't in my childhood
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Post by muttleynfelix on Mar 31, 2016 20:49:07 GMT -5
I scored 43, but yes I live in a bubble. A different bubble than what they are describing but a bubble nontheless. And really the Branson question wasn't fair because I use to do work in Branson.
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 31, 2016 20:53:40 GMT -5
Everybody on YMAM is at least middle-class. I'm guessing 80% of us are upper-middle-class. I never thought about it, but you're probably pretty accurate with that statement. "Poor people" don't usually have enough give a damn to worry about improving their financial situation. That's funny, because most of them would benefit greatly from reading this forum.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 31, 2016 21:29:45 GMT -5
Everybody on YMAM is at least middle-class. I'm guessing 80% of us are upper-middle-class. Now I am. I wasn't in my childhood Doesn't count. Kids aren't materialistic, insecure, or judgmental enough to deeply mind poverty. If they've got their KD, some cheap orange drink, and a ball to kick around, they're just as happy as the kid who eats filet and owns six X-Boxes. It's only when they hit about... 14... 15... that kids realize they're poor and their lives are supposed to suck until they can buy as much crap as the rest of us.
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Post by msventoux on Mar 31, 2016 21:35:47 GMT -5
49. I'm actually surprised I scored that high. Would've been much higher if I watched TV or movies or ate at chain restaurants.
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