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Post by Value Buy on Mar 25, 2016 9:02:19 GMT -5
Or should it be "Don't cry for me Argentina"?
Many people on both sides of the political aisle in D.C. as well as journalists criticized the President for his performance concerning the Belgium terrorist attacks.
The President has again shown tendencies of being tone deaf over how he should publicly handle the attacks concerning European and American citizens reactions to same. Originally it was the baseball game in Cuba, doing a poor interview on ESPN, then participating in the "wave" with fans. Some argued, he was carrying on his duties and assuring American citizens to do the same. Fair enough, but I disagree. The President should have shown some fortitude and made a strong political statement. I do agree he can handle the situation from Cuba, but his way of showing it lacks follow through. Now he attends a dinner in his honor, where he is viewing a Tango dance performance, and I admit, he was reluctant to participate, but participate he did. At the same time, he knew American blood and body parts were being scraped and washed off floors, walls and ceilings of an airport check in area and a subway platform. We know he knew because "we" knew American citizens were unaccounted for as well as some Embassy people. It was publicly acknowledged by the Embassy some were unaccounted for., missing and had not contacted their Embassy. A president's advance team has the ability to read the manifest of events. The Tango performance was scheduled. Even I assume him being asked was probably not on the manifest. The advance team bungled this. Or the President allowed it to happen. Either way, it was unacceptable.
This is not the first time he has been publicly missing in action with the American public, as well as with European leaders over terror attacks. Every President has responsibilities for his actions. Indecision and no strong rebuttal have large negative responses from our enemies. Today Russia announced some new military infrastructure north of Japan in disputed island territory with Japan. Another escalation from a country that recognizes indecision and a supposed wounded Presidency.
And we have people wondering why Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are the last men standing in the race for the nomination. Nero, once again is letting Rome burn.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2016 10:03:11 GMT -5
Or should it be "Don't cry for me Argentina"? Many people on both sides of the political aisle in D.C. as well as journalists criticized the President for his performance concerning the Belgium terrorist attacks. The President has again shown tendencies of being tone death over how he should publicly handle the attacks concerning European and American citizens reactions to same. Originally it was the baseball game in Cuba, doing a poor interview on ESPN, then participating in the "wave" with fans. Some argued, he was carrying on his duties and assuring American citizens to do the same. Fair enough, but I disagree. The President should have shown some fortitude and made a strong political statement. I do agree he can handle the situation from Cuba, but his way of showing it lacks follow through. Now he attends a dinner in his honor, where he is viewing a Tango dance performance, and I admit, he was reluctant to participate, but participate he did. At the same time, he knew American blood and body parts were being scraped and washed off floors, walls and ceilings of an airport check in area and a subway platform. We know he knew because "we" knew American citizens were unaccounted for as well as some Embassy people. It was publicly acknowledged by the Embassy some were unaccounted for., missing and had not contacted their Embassy. A president's advance team has the ability to read the manifest of events. The Tango performance was scheduled. Even I assume him being asked was probably not on the manifest. The advance team bungled this. Or the President allowed it to happen. Either way, it was unacceptable. This is not the first time he has been publicly missing in action with the American public, as well as with European leaders over terror attacks. Every President has responsibilities for his actions. Indecision and no strong rebuttal have large negative responses from our enemies. Today Russia announced some new military infrastructure north of Japan in disputed island territory with Japan. Another escalation from a country that recognizes indecision and a supposed wounded Presidency. And we have people wondering why Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are the last men standing in the race for the nomination. Nero, once again is letting Rome burn. For starters, links please about politicians from both sides of the aisle and journalists critical of Obama's handling of the Brussel's bombing. There is no such thing as "tone death." I will fault Obama for not bring his flying cape and magical x-ray glasses on his trip to Cuba. He should have known and seen these terrorists'movements before they even got to the airport and train station. He could have flown to Brussels and stopped the men before they committed their deadly deed. Once captured, Obama could have flown them out of our earth's atmosphere and with his laser eyes, blown them to bits and their guts would circle the earth as a reminder to humanity this is what Obama can do.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2016 10:25:22 GMT -5
I know some people are upset he continued with his originally scheduled plans. I'm not. Since this happened in another country, I'm not sure what the unhappy people want him to do.
My guess is there are some people who are unhappy with him who supported George W Bush's decision to continue to read to the children on 911. That made me unhappy. Even if he couldn't have done anything immediately. It was on our soil. He was the President!
Tell me what do you think he should have done and why.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 25, 2016 11:41:51 GMT -5
The only criticism I've seen is from the right wing. If he were to personally cure cancer, they'd complain that he was putting oncologysts out of work.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2016 12:40:50 GMT -5
I think the Republican candidates wanted to use this opportunity to bash Obama and try to look good. I didn't find any evidence of foreign leaders rushing to Belgium, and really what would they do there anyway? From what I've read, there was intelligence about possible impending attacks and it unfortunately was not acted on as it should have been. Some of the things said, have been totally stupid IMO.
warontherocks.com/2016/03/belgium-attacks-cuba-and-foreign-policy-teams-revealed/
And, naturally, Trump said stuff that got attention with no substance (this is how I feel every time I hear him speak). Trump claimed that ISIL sympathizers are coming into America “by the thousands” and saying he’s been predicting this kind of carnage for a long time. America should close its borders because these attacks are “just the beginning.” He’s also sad (!) that Brussels is no longer “beautiful and safe,” and thinks torture could have prevented the events.
Perhaps acting on the intelligence you already have could have prevented the attacks?
Ted Cruz wants to “empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.” Because when you want to minimize anger, constant police surveillance is apparently the cure.
Secure how? Is this less dumb than torture? Will it create more radicals than torture but only at a slower pace?
I wonder if the terrorists picked the date they did as a way to dis America at the same time. If they did, it appears it was a brilliant choice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 13:21:12 GMT -5
Or should it be "Don't cry for me Argentina"? Many people on both sides of the political aisle in D.C. as well as journalists criticized the President for his performance concerning the Belgium terrorist attacks. The President has again shown tendencies of being tone death over how he should publicly handle the attacks concerning European and American citizens reactions to same. Originally it was the baseball game in Cuba, doing a poor interview on ESPN, then participating in the "wave" with fans. Some argued, he was carrying on his duties and assuring American citizens to do the same. Fair enough, but I disagree. The President should have shown some fortitude and made a strong political statement. I do agree he can handle the situation from Cuba, but his way of showing it lacks follow through. Now he attends a dinner in his honor, where he is viewing a Tango dance performance, and I admit, he was reluctant to participate, but participate he did. At the same time, he knew American blood and body parts were being scraped and washed off floors, walls and ceilings of an airport check in area and a subway platform. We know he knew because "we" knew American citizens were unaccounted for as well as some Embassy people. It was publicly acknowledged by the Embassy some were unaccounted for., missing and had not contacted their Embassy. A president's advance team has the ability to read the manifest of events. The Tango performance was scheduled. Even I assume him being asked was probably not on the manifest. The advance team bungled this. Or the President allowed it to happen. Either way, it was unacceptable. This is not the first time he has been publicly missing in action with the American public, as well as with European leaders over terror attacks. Every President has responsibilities for his actions. Indecision and no strong rebuttal have large negative responses from our enemies. Today Russia announced some new military infrastructure north of Japan in disputed island territory with Japan. Another escalation from a country that recognizes indecision and a supposed wounded Presidency. And we have people wondering why Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are the last men standing in the race for the nomination. Nero, once again is letting Rome burn. For starters, links please about politicians from both sides of the aisle and journalists critical of Obama's handling of the Brussel's bombing. There is no such thing as "tone death." I will fault Obama for not bring his flying cape and magical x-ray glasses on his trip to Cuba. He should have known and seen these terrorists'movements before they even got to the airport and train station. He could have flown to Brussels and stopped the men before they committed their deadly deed. Once captured, Obama could have flown them out of our earth's atmosphere and with his laser eyes, blown them to bits and their guts would circle the earth as a reminder to humanity this is what Obama can do. I think he meant "tone deaf" , or an auto spell screwup.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2016 13:23:38 GMT -5
For starters, links please about politicians from both sides of the aisle and journalists critical of Obama's handling of the Brussel's bombing. There is no such thing as "tone death." I will fault Obama for not bring his flying cape and magical x-ray glasses on his trip to Cuba. He should have known and seen these terrorists'movements before they even got to the airport and train station. He could have flown to Brussels and stopped the men before they committed their deadly deed. Once captured, Obama could have flown them out of our earth's atmosphere and with his laser eyes, blown them to bits and their guts would circle the earth as a reminder to humanity this is what Obama can do. I think he meant "tone deaf" , or an auto spell screwup. I know what he meant. But when you write and post something all emotionally and not rationally, you make careless mistakes.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2016 13:31:07 GMT -5
Yes, I am fairly positive he meant tone deaf. I'm just not sure what he thought should have happened. Canceling a planned historic visit or refusing planned events would hurt why he went in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 13:35:48 GMT -5
Yes, I am fairly positive he meant tone deaf. I'm just not sure what he thought should have happened. Canceling a planned historic visit or refusing planned events would hurt why he went in the first place.
You can place me in the neutral corner for Obama's actions on this one. Could of gone either way without much difference in results IMO. I won't speculate on said posters reasoning's.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2016 13:38:39 GMT -5
The event happened when he was in Cuba. So there was American security detail in Cuba guarding the president along with an advanced detail of American security in Argentina in anticipation of the president's arrival.
Not sure what valuebuy and others wanted the president to do. Fly to Brussels? The president's security teams were in the Caribbean and South America. So that would leave it up to Belgium to protect the president. Just what Belgium wants to do-pull its security assets away from capturing suspects along with preventing further incidents to protect the U.S. president flying into Belgium for a touchy-feely visit to appease Obama critics.
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Post by dondub on Mar 25, 2016 15:54:34 GMT -5
Another big deal of nothingness in the continuing castigation of all things Obama. The righties are just a whiny little bunch of punk ass now.
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Post by Shooby on Mar 25, 2016 16:14:05 GMT -5
That was Obamas big F U to Europe.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2016 16:19:02 GMT -5
That was Obamas big F U to Europe. I see it as a big F U to terrorist groups who think that the world revolves around them.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2016 16:26:52 GMT -5
Another big deal of nothingness in the continuing castigation of all things Obama. The righties are just a whiny little bunch of punk ass now. I think part of it might be displacement. If you are upset and angry about the attack in Belgium and feel it could have happened to you, perhaps you lash out at a convenient target. Obama. You don't like him.
I think there also is an unrealistic emotional desire out there that America can make everything safe just because its America. I see the same desire to want something done for things that have happened here like the Newtown shooting and the theatre shooting. Its human.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2016 16:31:51 GMT -5
That was Obamas big F U to Europe.
Google world leaders go to Belgium. Read the results. Your boy Trump has been doing a big FU to Belgium since January 2016. Calling it a hellhole, etc.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2016 16:37:07 GMT -5
That 'thing' on top of Trump's head in Shooby's avatar looks like the ghost coming down the stairs in the movie Poltergeist.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2016 16:40:33 GMT -5
Or like this-
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 25, 2016 17:54:44 GMT -5
Trump insulted Belgium. Pres Obama expressed condolences. I prefer condolences to insults.
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Post by dondub on Mar 25, 2016 18:36:58 GMT -5
That was Obamas big F U to Europe.
More snake belly level whining about Obama. What did shooby's candidate do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 19:23:12 GMT -5
No one could reasonably call me a defender of Obama... but the complaints about him on this one are just nuts.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 26, 2016 11:26:58 GMT -5
Since this is a very Religious weekend for some of the posters here, I will refrain from responding on this thread for a few days. I did not think about Good Friday when I started the thread. I wish I had not started it on Good Friday. I know Easter has nothing to do with the thread, but I just would rather spend this weekend in good thoughts, and remember what this week is about. TY
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 26, 2016 12:26:05 GMT -5
You didn't have to reply on this thread today, VB. It could have waited until this religious weekend was over.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 27, 2016 18:53:42 GMT -5
I have had a change of heart. I have come to agree with Valuebuy on this issue. I want to know if Presidents Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama immediately dropped their scheduled plan and traveled directly to all these countries after terrorist attacks to offer their sympathy and support. I especially believe Presidents George W. Bush and Obama should have traveled to Iraq as it is the United States under Bush and Obama that created the instability there and opened the way for ISIS and al-Qaeda to operate within that country and bomb innocent citizens. So here is the list where I believe all the presidents listed above should have dropped everything and immediately traveled to to offer sympathy and extend their support for the citizens injured and killed through no fault of their own other than having been invaded by the United States and their allies. While most of these victims are not Americans, these victims' lives are no less important to their families than the families of Americans who have died. Our presidents should have immediately left the U.S. and traveled there to offer our country's sympathy. So my question for Presidents Bush and Obama: Did either you go to these countries immediately after the bombings? If not, why not? You two especially created the monsters who caused the deaths of innocents regardless of their nationality. A special shout-out goes to Presidents Carter, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush. Carter for starting Operation Cyclone and Reagan and Bush for greatly expanding it. Thanks guys! al-Qaeda couldn't have done it without your support. List of Islamist terrorist attacksAren't dramatic posts great.
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