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Post by debthaven on Feb 9, 2016 16:35:56 GMT -5
It was yesterday, she would have either gone home after work or stayed in a hotel if the snow was bad.
I'm worried that she was fired or put on a PIP and that she is really really upset.
Ava, if you are reading, even if something bad happened at work, you now have a degree and a lot of experience. You will be FINE! In a worst-case scenario you will have to move to FL sooner than you planned.
We are thinking about you!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 9, 2016 16:55:17 GMT -5
You can simply send a private message to one of us to let us know you are safe if you'd rather not post at this time.
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 9, 2016 16:56:33 GMT -5
Hope all is well Ava!
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2016 20:24:15 GMT -5
Hi, guys;
Sorry for not coming back sooner. I didn't make it to work yesterday The weather was horrible. The garage sent a guy to pick me up. We passed two bad accidents and the garage is only a few blocks away. By the time it was all said and done it was 1:20 pm.
I came back home and emailed my manager again. He messaged me immediately and said ok. That's why I didn't come back here yesterday, I had nothing new to report.
Today I head into work feeling nauseated. I went to his office right away. His first reaction was a huge smile and telling how happy he was to see me
Then he noticed I was stressed and asked me what was the problem. I told him "Well you said yesterday you needed to talk to me about so and so, that it was urgent and my report was wrong" He looked at me again and told me to relax. We'll take care of it later. So we did that later in the afternoon. He was really calm by then, he went over the problem so I could understand the issue and we fixed it together. It was big, not huge, but easy to solve. He told me Monday had been a crazy day for him and apologized if he sounded too aggressive. I adore this man. I'll seriously miss him when I move away. Only thing I wish is he didn't overreact every now and then. His emails sounded like I was in a serious problem. I guess I would have been if he didn't catch the review before it made further up to top management.
Thanks again guys for all the support. It's great to count on you. Sometimes I really don't have anybody else.
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Post by obelisk on Feb 9, 2016 21:10:51 GMT -5
Hi, guys;
Sorry for not coming back sooner. I didn't make it to work yesterday The weather was horrible. The garage sent a guy to pick me up. We passed two bad accidents and the garage is only a few blocks away. By the time it was all said and done it was 1:20 pm.
I came back home and emailed my manager again. He messaged me immediately and said ok. That's why I didn't come back here yesterday, I had nothing new to report.
Today I head into work feeling nauseated. I went to his office right away. His first reaction was a huge smile and telling how happy he was to see me
Then he noticed I was stressed and asked me what was the problem. I told him "Well you said yesterday you needed to talk to me about so and so, that it was urgent and my report was wrong" He looked at me again and told me to relax. We'll take care of it later. So we did that later in the afternoon. He was really calm by then, he went over the problem so I could understand the issue and we fixed it together. It was big, not huge, but easy to solve. He told me Monday had been a crazy day for him and apologized if he sounded too aggressive. I adore this man. I'll seriously miss him when I move away. Only thing I wish is he didn't overreact every now and then. His emails sounded like I was in a serious problem. I guess I would have been if he didn't catch the review before it made further up to top management.
Thanks again guys for all the support. It's great to count on you. Sometimes I really don't have anybody else.
Ava Just plug away with your goal. Your boss only has the best interest for you and he his supporting. Best of luck.
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GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 9, 2016 21:29:23 GMT -5
Good to hear it worked out. He sounds like he's a good boss even if he does get stressed now and then.
Just in case we get more bad weather, get the software loaded on to your laptop, pronto!!
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Post by suesinfl on Feb 9, 2016 21:38:37 GMT -5
That's why it is hard to "read" the some messages correct. You see the words, but can't tell the emotions/facial expressions/ body language of the person sending the message. Plus the fact that you were already stressed.
Glad everything turned out OK!
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2016 21:41:11 GMT -5
Good to hear it worked out. He sounds like he's a good boss even if he does get stressed now and then. Just in case we get more bad weather, get the software loaded on to your laptop, pronto!! Yes, I took it with me today but he didn't have time to load it. I'll try again tomorrow. He even told me to take the train to work if it snows again. He told me not to worry about the hours, I can work a reduced shift and catch the early train back. Hopefully he'll get the program loaded tomorrow since I rather not drive in the snow, even going to the train station can be trouble. It's not that close and there are plenty of hills here.
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2016 21:45:25 GMT -5
That's why it is hard to "read" the some messages correct. You see the words, but can't tell the emotions/facial expressions/ body language of the person sending the message. Plus the fact that you were already stressed.
Glad everything turned out OK! Exactly. I was already stressed because of the snow and the car not working. But he does overreact sometimes. His first email was bad. I actually believe it was better I didn't make it yesterday because by today he had already calmed down. Anyway, I'm not complaining. I am fully aware I am extremely lucky to work for him. He's supported me through my MBA program and is really happy I'm going to sit for the CPA.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 9, 2016 21:46:13 GMT -5
Do whatever it takes to get to work and get the job done. Your boss wants you in the office yesterday so get it done.
Regardless of how you feel about your job, it's your job and your duty. You have to do it to the best of your ability as long as you have it.
You have a plan to get a better job. Stick to it and do your job until you get a better one in Florida.
Go in as fast as you can, take it on the chin, and do whatever it takes to fix it.
When you make a mistake at work, write it down. Create guides for yourself, and use them. That should help ensure you don't make the same mistakes.
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2016 22:34:57 GMT -5
Do whatever it takes to get to work and get the job done. Your boss wants you in the office yesterday so get it done. Regardless of how you feel about your job, it's your job and your duty. You have to do it to the best of your ability as long as you have it. You have a plan to get a better job. Stick to it and do your job until you get a better one in Florida. Go in as fast as you can, take it on the chin, and do whatever it takes to fix it. When you make a mistake at work, write it down. Create guides for yourself, and use them. That should help ensure you don't make the same mistakes. It wasn't a "repeat" mistake. I haven't repeated errors at this job. But there's a lot of variables you have to interpret and I am not particularly good at what this job entails. That's why sometimes I feel inadequate. As long as I'm dealing with the more routine part of it I'm good. Once I run into an outlier I make mistakes. Some are really minor. We've found two so far that were bigger.
I agree with you, though. Go in everyday and give it your best.
I respectfully disagree on "get there yesterday". The weather was awful, worse that I thought while looking out from my window. When I got out to pick up my car I saw bad accidents and it was really slippery. Maybe it sounds lazy or entitled to you but I am not willing to risk a 30 mile drive in heavy snow to work 3 hours. I avoid driving in snow. There's so much I am willing to do for a job, any job. I didn't sacrifice and go to school at night all those years to live in fear. Having an education is supposed to give me options. So my gut told me don't go in this kind of weather. And I didn't. I was prepared to live with the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 22:45:39 GMT -5
How new are you to the job? What you're talking about sounds like the normal learning curve to me. It takes experience to get good at things, and experience is usually a code word for the freedom to make a few mistakes. If you are perfect at a job right off the bat you are underemployed.
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2016 23:03:46 GMT -5
How new are you to the job? What you're talking about sounds like the normal learning curve to me. It takes experience to get good at things, and experience is usually a code word for the freedom to make a few mistakes. If you are perfect at a job right off the bat you are underemployed. No, I'm not new. I've been in this position for almost two years. There are certain aspects of it that require you to make more elaborate deductions and I just miss the cues or come up with the wrong assumptions. It doesn't happen all the time, but it happens often enough for me to realize I am not really suited for the job. But like Phoenix said, I draw a paycheck and I have to show up and give it my best.
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2016 23:05:45 GMT -5
I guess what happened yesterday was the kick in the pants I needed. I just went to prometrics and got my first two CPA parts scheduled. Tomorrow I start studying for the first one. It's becoming so real to me now.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 9, 2016 23:11:36 GMT -5
I'm glad I worked in the days of no emails and people actually talked. You could tell by the tone of a person's voice how upset they might be with you.
On the snow, I worked my career for over 25 years in Denver, CO. My agency did not believe in closing for snow. If it said on the news, the federal government was closed, it did not mean my agency.
I would get up very early and leave for work to try to avoid some of the traffic when it snowed. By doing that, my managers would usually let me leave when I had my 8 hours in. I remember one time it took me 3 hours to get to work in snow. I can't imagine how many hours it would take now as the population has increased.
Management did not see snow as an excuse. One day, I got in from about 40 miles away. So did the big boss in the office, who lived fairly close to the office. All I did was take phone calls from the rest of the office with their snow excuses. He finally sent me home (that was a trip) and gave me a day off for coming in. All the others had to take a vacation day.
Now they can work from home on their laptops, but that wasn't the way it was when I was working.
I only stayed home from work once for snow and we had about 3 ft of snow where I lived and not much where the office was located. I did get a day off later when there was snow in Denver but hardly any where I lived.
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 10, 2016 0:11:10 GMT -5
I live in Denver and I've worked from home due to weather exactly once in the last 10 years. Weather is unpredictable here and while I have the freedom and flexibility to work remote as necessary, I clearly don't use it often. I think it's important to be in the office and to be equipped for the possibilities. It's nice that your boss offers you the option, but don't take advantage of that for the wrong reasons. Also, I encourage you to take a cue from your boss and colleagues. If they're making it in, so should you.
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Post by gooddecisions on Feb 10, 2016 7:06:09 GMT -5
Then he noticed I was stressed and asked me what was the problem. I told him "Well you said yesterday you needed to talk to me about so and so, that it was urgent and my report was wrong" He looked at me again and told me to relax. We'll take care of it later. So we did that later in the afternoon. He was really calm by then, he went over the problem so I could understand the issue and we fixed it together. It was big, not huge, but easy to solve. He told me Monday had been a crazy day for him and apologized if he sounded too aggressive. I adore this man. I'll seriously miss him when I move away. Only thing I wish is he didn't overreact every now and then. His emails sounded like I was in a serious problem. I guess I would have been if he didn't catch the review before it made further up to top management.
Thanks again guys for all the support. It's great to count on you. Sometimes I really don't have anybody else.
It doesn't sound like an over-reaction to me at all. You have a lot of excuses for your mistakes and even blame your boss for over-reacting. Then, when he is nice about it- you still "wish he wouldn't over-react." I know you're just venting here, but if my employees had that attitude, I would have a problem. ETA- an MBA and CPA does not give you an excuse to have a poor work ethic and produce sloppy work- that's going to catch up with you in any job. More is going to be expected of you, not less.
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Post by gacpa on Feb 10, 2016 9:54:09 GMT -5
Ease up, everybody. You don't know what it takes to do her job. In my job, it is very easy to make mistakes, for many different reasons. That is because the work environment is designed to maximize profit, not turn out perfect work. I have made all the mistakes anybody can make at my job. Some are my fault, but many are made from lack of communication. That is how I learn, it is called on the job training. I will bet you won't find too many accountants who have someone to hold their hand while they try to figure out what is going on and what needs to be done. There is no such thing as training, unless you call the "sink or swim" method of training the ideal way to learn.
I can't ever remember a time when I did not have to figure out the work for myself and then deal with the aftermath. It is how things are done in the firms I have worked at (regional firms). It is hard and stressful beyond belief. Unless you have had to function in this type of work environment, try not to judge so harshly.
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Post by chen35 on Feb 10, 2016 10:38:22 GMT -5
I live in Denver and I've worked from home due to weather exactly once in the last 10 years. Weather is unpredictable here and while I have the freedom and flexibility to work remote as necessary, I clearly don't use it often. I think it's important to be in the office and to be equipped for the possibilities. It's nice that your boss offers you the option, but don't take advantage of that for the wrong reasons. Also, I encourage you to take a cue from your boss and colleagues. If they're making it in, so should you. This is so true. Every place has different unwritten rules that you have to figure out. Fortunately (for me), I am the person who sets the tone for those sorts of things in my office. I make sure everyone is set up to work from home if needed. In my opinion, there is no reason for people to risk serious accidents to get to work. About once a year we have a snow day, and everyone works from home. It's not abused, so it's not a big deal.
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Post by souldoubt on Feb 10, 2016 10:47:41 GMT -5
Ease up, everybody. You don't know what it takes to do her job. In my job, it is very easy to make mistakes, for many different reasons. That is because the work environment is designed to maximize profit, not turn out perfect work. I have made all the mistakes anybody can make at my job. Some are my fault, but many are made from lack of communication. That is how I learn, it is called on the job training. I will bet you won't find too many accountants who have someone to hold their hand while they try to figure out what is going on and what needs to be done. There is no such thing as training, unless you call the "sink or swim" method of training the ideal way to learn. I can't ever remember a time when I did not have to figure out the work for myself and then deal with the aftermath. It is how things are done in the firms I have worked at (regional firms). It is hard and stressful beyond belief. Unless you have had to function in this type of work environment, try not to judge so harshly. People aren't judging they're just trying to convey to her she needs to make it into work and deal with her mistakes like an adult. She's studying for the CPA exam and passing that as you well know doesn't mean things get easier. It opens more doors which can lead to more work, more problems and more things to work through but if you show an ability to deal with it you will be rewarded. Since I got my license in 2008 my work load has probably quadrupled and I'm now dealing with offices in 7 countries which means various filing deadlines in all of those countries. I'm not against ava or trying to be harsh but for someone on the job for 2 years she wasn't dealing with normal job stress in this situation. There's always new things that pop up at work and plenty of on the job training but being able to deal with that is what sets you apart from others in a good or a bad way. You also have to deal with stress outside of work and can't let that impact your performance or they will notice. Just having your license isn't the end all be all it's what you do with it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2016 10:55:03 GMT -5
The manager may have overreacted but unfortunately that happens A LOT. You have to learn to deal with it and move on.
I deal with PI temper tantrums all the time. A good majority of them involve the PI being in the wrong b/c they aren't in the lab every day but I can't say that. As the tech I am the low man on the totem pole, I have to hang my head, apologize and then go back to what I was doing before they yelled at me.
You are going to have to learn to not get so stressed at work your boss has to talk you down.
I hide in the animal facility whenever I get that pissed/stressed. Then I come back with my poker face on. No it's not right of my PIs to talk to me the way they do sometimes but they aren't the ones who are going to be replaced. If I want to work in a lab I have to learn to deal with the political BS that comes along with it.
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Post by techguy on Feb 10, 2016 11:15:13 GMT -5
Then he noticed I was stressed and asked me what was the problem. I told him "Well you said yesterday you needed to talk to me about so and so, that it was urgent and my report was wrong" He looked at me again and told me to relax. We'll take care of it later. So we did that later in the afternoon. He was really calm by then, he went over the problem so I could understand the issue and we fixed it together. It was big, not huge, but easy to solve. He told me Monday had been a crazy day for him and apologized if he sounded too aggressive. I adore this man. I'll seriously miss him when I move away. Only thing I wish is he didn't overreact every now and then. His emails sounded like I was in a serious problem. I guess I would have been if he didn't catch the review before it made further up to top management.
Thanks again guys for all the support. It's great to count on you. Sometimes I really don't have anybody else.
It doesn't sound like an over-reaction to me at all. You have a lot of excuses for your mistakes and even blame your boss for over-reacting. Then, when he is nice about it- you still "wish he wouldn't over-react." I know you're just venting here, but if my employees had that attitude, I would have a problem. ETA- an MBA and CPA does not give you an excuse to have a poor work ethic and produce sloppy work- that's going to catch up with you in any job. More is going to be expected of you, not less. I get that everyone wants to provide support for ava since that's what we do, but I feel like ava is just not a good fit for her position. Instead of finding a new job and giving her boss a person to fill the role who is a better fit, she would rather just hang in there to complete her MBA / CPA then leave. I feel for her boss. ETA: And how did her boss over-react? He didn't scream and shout or belittle her. He simply wrote a factual email about a mistake that she made.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 10, 2016 22:01:56 GMT -5
When I lived in Boulder and had to drive to Central City (in the mountains) 5 days a week, I didn't miss a day of work due to snow. I was the one the other employees hated because I was the barometer the owner went by. He would tell them "she made it from Boulder, so you could have made it".
I was lucky when I had that job in that co-workers would let me stay at their house if it got really bad while I was at work. No option of working at home then. Slept on a lot of couches, but it was better than that scary drive down the mountain in the dark and back up in the dark. I knew every place where it got extra slick and every place where there tended to be deer.
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Post by Ava on Feb 11, 2016 5:54:34 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the support. I know even the "a little harsh" comments are meant to make me think and give me a different perspective.
Things are back to normal at work.
For the record; my manager knows and approves of me getting the CPA license and moving to Florida, I am not doing this behind his back while making him believe I'll be there forever. People last about 12 to 18 months in this role, so he's happy I've been here this long. And he knows I'll give him plenty of notice before I leave.
As for him overreacting. He did. He overreacted when I was away, dealing with a broken car and snow, unable to get in. It added to my stress. That's fine, he was stressed out too. We all overreact here and there. I don't expect my manager to be perfect.
It's also true that I shouldn't let things like this get at me. I am working on that, but it doesn't come easy.
I also wonder what my life would be like once I get the CPA license. I hope it will be better. I'm not the kind of person who sacrifices their lives going to work in a heavy snowstorm. I just don't see the point.
I don't mind being a low-level employee or even working part-time once I get my license. I don't need a ton of money, I don't like stress and working 80 hours a week. A little job-related stress is to be expected, but not high stress all the time. Life is too short for that. Fortunately, so far, I've been able to find managers who respect work-life balance.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 11, 2016 7:43:26 GMT -5
That's interesting. Well, I hope that you've gotten the computer fixed so you can work from home if necessary. Also that you've learned from the mistakes you made so you don't repeat them. Yes, no snowstorms in Miami. But there will always be issues. How you handle them is on you. Public accounting is not for the Mañana people. If you are one, good luck.
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Post by Ava on Feb 11, 2016 7:53:04 GMT -5
That's interesting. Well, I hope that you've gotten the computer fixed so you can work from home if necessary. Also that you've learned from the mistakes you made so you don't repeat them. Yes, no snowstorms in Miami. But there will always be issues. How you handle them is on you. Public accounting is not for the Mañana people. If you are one, good luck. Thanks, Zib. Yes, I've learned from this mistake. I also learnt from the prior one. Yesterday I was working on a review similar to the one I made the first mistake on. I did it right this time, remembering my prior experience.
Unfortunately, mistakes are painful but they are a great learning tool.
I love the idea of not having any more snowstorms. There are other issues, of course. But snow has been my main problem here. Other than that, I show up every day. "Manana" people, that's funny.
My company has deals with many companies headquartered in Miami, and I know I will fit right in with them.
I won't consider myself a procrastinator. I just don't see the need to work all the time and make your job the main part of your existence. It's just my viewpoint.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 11, 2016 7:54:45 GMT -5
I agree with it. I hope public accounting has changed. It used to consume your entire life.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 11, 2016 8:03:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure it has changed that much. When I started here our outside auditors thought it was okay to work Saturday because they worked for Big 4. On the other hand the churn rate is high so you might do it for a year or two and then move on.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 11, 2016 8:24:12 GMT -5
Yup, well in the olden days of the Big Eight, it was 7 days a week during busy season and it seemed the busy season never ended. Now with computers it's eased up somewhat.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 11, 2016 11:01:21 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the support. I know even the "a little harsh" comments are meant to make me think and give me a different perspective.
Things are back to normal at work.
For the record; my manager knows and approves of me getting the CPA license and moving to Florida, I am not doing this behind his back while making him believe I'll be there forever. People last about 12 to 18 months in this role, so he's happy I've been here this long. And he knows I'll give him plenty of notice before I leave.
As for him overreacting. He did. He overreacted when I was away, dealing with a broken car and snow, unable to get in. It added to my stress. That's fine, he was stressed out too. We all overreact here and there. I don't expect my manager to be perfect.
It's also true that I shouldn't let things like this get at me. I am working on that, but it doesn't come easy.
I also wonder what my life would be like once I get the CPA license. I hope it will be better. I'm not the kind of person who sacrifices their lives going to work in a heavy snowstorm. I just don't see the point.
I don't mind being a low-level employee or even working part-time once I get my license. I don't need a ton of money, I don't like stress and working 80 hours a week. A little job-related stress is to be expected, but not high stress all the time. Life is too short for that. Fortunately, so far, I've been able to find managers who respect work-life balance.
I honestly think that you getting your CPA license is going to make things worse for you, not better. The license implies increased responsibility that goes along with the higher paycheck. Whether or not you think getting to work in a snowstorm really depends upon your responsibilities. I always tried to take my responsibilities in mind as to whether or not I braved the weather. If I had $5000 in supplies running an experiment, that needed to be finished up the next day, I was going to get in, regardless of weather. For me, it was not just the cost but the irreplaceable samples I was testing. OTOH, if a bad storm was due in, I tried not to start anything that day (even coming in during the weekend if the data was critical....like for a grant or progress report). I also would take work home and make sure I had access to everything I needed to crunch data while at home. However, trying to anticipate is important and your responsibility. Crap sometimes happens, like dealing with your car. But you knew that bad weather was coming in and there was still a foul up with your computer. IMO, that is on you.
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