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Post by giramomma on Aug 30, 2023 11:29:08 GMT -5
I really value being able to talk to one person about applying for jobs.
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Post by Peace77 on Aug 30, 2023 16:14:02 GMT -5
We had high hops for DH to be hired for the position we were waiting to hear back about but it doesn’t look like it will work out. I saw online that they are planning to hire someone else. It stinks that they say nothing.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 30, 2023 16:20:01 GMT -5
We had high hops for DH to be hired for the position we were waiting to hear back about but it doesn’t look like it will work out. I saw online that they are planning to hire someone else. It stinks that they say nothing. That's frustrating.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 11, 2023 19:26:16 GMT -5
Just because I can't have my job drama on just one thread.... Here's a good question for you all. This summer I applied for two positions that I was a top candidate for. I made it as a finalist, but I didn't get the job(s) after the second interview. For the first position, Position A, I asked if I could have done anything differently. They said no, that I had a great interview.
The other position, Position B, I didn't push for advice on how to improve. The interview went about the same as Position A.
Both positions sent back personalized rejection letters rather than the standard HR letters and encouraged me to apply if other jobs came up. Position B has been reposted. I don't think it's an additional hire. I asked if there was a plan to grow the teams during my interview and was told no.
I think who ever they offered the job to over me took the job, and then left after a month or so. The best I can do is talk to the departmental HR. I can't talk to one of the folks that was on the hiring committee. You just don't do that, unless you have a political "in," which I don't have. My network does not stretch that far. I suppose I could just re-apply, using the same cover letter and resume. I don't want to take the time to change things up. I'm not sure what the point of going through the interview process is if I've done it once already. And I don't want to waste people's time by applying if I'm going to get turned down right away again.
The leaving after a month worries me. We had that with one of my colleagues. They figured out how the environment was slightly toxic before it got really toxic and left in about the same timeframe. HR can't probably tell me why the person left. They might be able to clarify if it is a re-post or they are growing the team. So, what would you all do? Apply? Email HR first and see what you might get?
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Post by azucena on Sept 11, 2023 19:30:39 GMT -5
I think you apply and if interviewed ask why it's open. Could be a job hopper left.
Sorry that this is such a slog for you.
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Post by taz157 on Sept 11, 2023 19:54:30 GMT -5
I think you apply and if interviewed ask why it's open. Could be a job hopper left. Sorry that this is such a slog for you. Yeah that.
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Post by finnime on Sept 12, 2023 4:30:59 GMT -5
I agree with the others. You know you're a strong candidate so apply with enthusiasm and hope for the best. The position could have been filled with a job hopper, or someone whose personal life demanding attention (e.g., spouse move to Hong Kong, or child made the Olympics team, or parent requiring full attention in their last days--) It's at least as likely if not more so the person than the job.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 12, 2023 7:13:29 GMT -5
Yeah, Consensus is I should reapply. At least I won't need to spend a lot of time . A friend suggested I just refresh the cover letter.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 12, 2023 8:45:06 GMT -5
I think you apply and if interviewed ask why it's open. Could be a job hopper left. Sorry that this is such a slog for you. Yeah that. And thank you both. I was hoping it would be a 6 month thing rather than an 18 month thing. When it gets to 18 months, then we evaluate for me getting some accounting courses under my belt. The public sector needs all sorts of financial people. The problem with applying is that no one can tell you "why yes, this job is really for an internal person we've already picked out" on the job notice. HR confirmed with me you really cannot do that.
I'm also realizing that I didn't think through my decision to get a masters in my field very well. I mean it was thought out. I just didn't anticipate how would feel 5 years down the road...now being less than a decade out from a full pension and having cancer. Which is really just life. And despite it being a good place to work for so long , I should have left, much, much earlier. And found a different career area that wouldn't pigeon hole me.
I can't really unring those bells. I still don't regret making them, even if I should have chose differently.
We'll see what transpires in the next year, too. I anticipate that there's going to be a lot of movement in the leadership positions 18 months from now. One person is old enough to qualify for SS and is a year out from being vested. Another person is actively doing what they can to leave, and another is looking to ease into retirement. Two more are on the cusp of retirement.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 12, 2023 8:57:46 GMT -5
glad you're going to apply again. I hope something sticks for you soon.
I just threw in for another position that popped up on LinkedIn last night. it's pretty much the same thing I'm doing now, for a company that's only been around a few years. fully remote position, with travel expected. the products are a little different, though - therapeutic psychedelics.
as far as the other applications, I haven't heard anything.
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Post by seriousthistime on Sept 12, 2023 9:09:38 GMT -5
Congratulations cktc! After 2.5 years of retirement, a friend of mine saw a part time position posted for someone with exactly my skill set. It's a hybrid work environment requiring me to be there only for certain functions. I thought for better than a week about applying, going back and forth, pro and con. Finally decided 'nothing ventured, nothing gained.' Not a huge time commitment. The pay is hourly and calculates out to more per hour than I was making at my last job. Let's see if anything comes of it. Not much to update here. About 10 days after I submitted my application package, I got an email from someone saying my package was forwarded to the hiring committee. Since then, crickets. In the meantime, I'm reconsidering whether that job would work for me. I was originally thinking the in-person functions would be in a small-ish city about 1.5 hours away. I didn't consider that they could hold those functions in a major city 2.5 hours away on a good day, requiring a slow crawl through heavy traffic, making it more like 3.5 hours each way and having to pay for downtown parking. If that's the case, I would not be interested in the job. On further reflection, I am willing to consider this job pending further info but based on what I know now, I am only marginally interested in coming out of retirement for this.
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Post by seriousthistime on Sept 12, 2023 9:16:14 GMT -5
Yeah, Consensus is I should reapply. At least I won't need to spend a lot of time . A friend suggested I just refresh the cover letter.
Yes, definitely reapply. If anything it shows your continued interest in the position. I think turnover can happen rather quickly in the first few months, because people who are diligently looking still have pending applications elsewhere when they accept the job. So they take Job #1, but Job #2 is a better fit so they quit Job #1 when they are offered Job #2. There are tons of reasons why people would leave a job so quickly, like trading hybrid work for fully remote work, a shorter commute, flexible hours, better pay, more generous benefits, etc., even in a perfectly non-toxic work environment. As always, fingers crossed for you giramomma.
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 12, 2023 9:42:36 GMT -5
I would apply and reach out to hr to let them know you have. They may be happy to have a prior finalist back. Definitely agreed it may not be because of a problem with the department but do ask about that at the interview stage and watch for red flags.
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 12, 2023 9:43:24 GMT -5
Congratulations cktc! After 2.5 years of retirement, a friend of mine saw a part time position posted for someone with exactly my skill set. It's a hybrid work environment requiring me to be there only for certain functions. I thought for better than a week about applying, going back and forth, pro and con. Finally decided 'nothing ventured, nothing gained.' Not a huge time commitment. The pay is hourly and calculates out to more per hour than I was making at my last job. Let's see if anything comes of it. Not much to update here. About 10 days after I submitted my application package, I got an email from someone saying my package was forwarded to the hiring committee. Since then, crickets. In the meantime, I'm reconsidering whether that job would work for me. I was originally thinking the in-person functions would be in a small-ish city about 1.5 hours away. I didn't consider that they could hold those functions in a major city 2.5 hours away on a good day, requiring a slow crawl through heavy traffic, making it more like 3.5 hours each way and having to pay for downtown parking. If that's the case, I would not be interested in the job. On further reflection, I am willing to consider this job pending further info but based on what I know now, I am only marginally interested in coming out of retirement for this. 1.5-2 hours each way once a month is almost too much for me. Definitely couldn't do more.
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Post by flamingo on Sept 12, 2023 9:48:43 GMT -5
I applied a few months ago for what would really be a unicorn of a position. I largely forgot about it, since I literally put my application in back in JUNE. Well, lo and behold, they reached out yesterday to schedule an interview. We'll see if it goes anywhere, but I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. Now to channel my excitement (and not my anxiety) for my interview Thursday!
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Post by flamingo on Sept 12, 2023 9:50:20 GMT -5
giramomma, i think it definitely makes sense to apply again. Ask all the questions to make sure it's still a good environment/fit, but hopefully they are excited to see you throw your hat in the ring again!
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Post by daisylu on Sept 12, 2023 9:56:09 GMT -5
I applied a few months ago for what would really be a unicorn of a position. I largely forgot about it, since I literally put my application in back in JUNE. Well, lo and behold, they reached out yesterday to schedule an interview. We'll see if it goes anywhere, but I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. Now to channel my excitement (and not my anxiety) for my interview Thursday! It is unnerving how long these things can take. For my last position, it was nearly 6 months before they scheduled my interview and I had totally forgot that I applied! They said they had to comb through internal candidates first. My suspicion is that they put someone internal in the role and it did not work out.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 12, 2023 10:19:27 GMT -5
I applied a few months ago for what would really be a unicorn of a position. I largely forgot about it, since I literally put my application in back in JUNE. Well, lo and behold, they reached out yesterday to schedule an interview. We'll see if it goes anywhere, but I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. Now to channel my excitement (and not my anxiety) for my interview Thursday! It is unnerving how long these things can take. For my last position, it was nearly 6 months before they scheduled my interview and I had totally forgot that I applied! They said they had to comb through internal candidates first. My suspicion is that they put someone internal in the role and it did not work out. At my last job that is exactly what happened. They went with their first choice, she bowed out and then they contacted me again a few months later to see if I was still interested.
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Post by seriousthistime on Sept 12, 2023 11:39:40 GMT -5
I think I can have you beat on the hiring time frame. For my last full time job. I applied on 3/13/13, I did some online screenings and was told after a few months that I was not among the highest scoring subgroup so my application would go no further. Fast forward two years to the summer of 2015 when I was visiting my son, sitting by the pool and cleaning out my junk folder. I saw a random message with a subject line that was something like: Vacancy 834925. Really descriptive, right? I almost deleted it, and instead I clicked on it and found that my subgroup was now being considered. I had to go to HQ to test and interview, on my own dime. It took another 6 months to get the results of that screening. Then I had to go back to HQ to interview again. I got a job offer, which was rescinded 20 minutes later when they discovered they had called the wrong person! Luckily another division had gotten hold of my info and asked me to interview with them, and I got that job. Happily accepted. My start date was 9/4/16. Three and a half years start to finish!
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 12, 2023 11:48:23 GMT -5
heh, and at the opposite end of extremes, it was three and a half *weeks* from phone screen interview to 1st day on the job at the place where I worked 2nd shift. the posting was pretty much written for me, and I was the only one they interviewed. the hiring manager told me later that she honestly expected the posting to sit for a long time, bc it's rare for QA folks to have Facilities/Engineering backgrounds. I'm kind of a unicorn in my industry. 🤷♀️
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Post by seriousthistime on Sept 28, 2023 13:57:10 GMT -5
Congratulations cktc! After 2.5 years of retirement, a friend of mine saw a part time position posted for someone with exactly my skill set. It's a hybrid work environment requiring me to be there only for certain functions. I thought for better than a week about applying, going back and forth, pro and con. Finally decided 'nothing ventured, nothing gained.' Not a huge time commitment. The pay is hourly and calculates out to more per hour than I was making at my last job. Let's see if anything comes of it. Not much to update here. About 10 days after I submitted my application package, I got an email from someone saying my package was forwarded to the hiring committee. Since then, crickets. In the meantime, I'm reconsidering whether that job would work for me. I was originally thinking the in-person functions would be in a small-ish city about 1.5 hours away. I didn't consider that they could hold those functions in a major city 2.5 hours away on a good day, requiring a slow crawl through heavy traffic, making it more like 3.5 hours each way and having to pay for downtown parking. If that's the case, I would not be interested in the job. On further reflection, I am willing to consider this job pending further info but based on what I know now, I am only marginally interested in coming out of retirement for this. Got called for a virtual interview. The person who scheduled the interview could not tell me anything more than what was in the job posting, so it remains to be seen how interested I will be.
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Post by flamingo on Sept 29, 2023 7:22:10 GMT -5
I had a second interview for the unicorn job yesterday. It seemed to go really well. They told me that they had one other person to talk to and that they were hoping to make a decision next week. For as a slow as the lead up was, once they started interviewing, it’s been relatively fast. for a variety of reasons, I don’t believe that a decision will be forthcoming next week. I appreciate the hiring manager’s optimism but by the time they make a decision, coordinate with HR, etc etc I’ll just be super surprised if I hear that quickly.
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 29, 2023 8:08:41 GMT -5
I had a second interview for the unicorn job yesterday. It seemed to go really well. They told me that they had one other person to talk to and that they were hoping to make a decision next week. For as a slow as the lead up was, once they started interviewing, it’s been relatively fast. for a variety of reasons, I don’t believe that a decision will be forthcoming next week. I appreciate the hiring manager’s optimism but by the time they make a decision, coordinate with HR, etc etc I’ll just be super surprised if I hear that quickly. It's always slower than they think. But that sounds like good news!
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Post by finnime on Sept 29, 2023 9:15:19 GMT -5
I've dusted off my resume, preparatory to sending it off for a couple of jobs I saw posted. Just to see what happens.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 29, 2023 10:34:28 GMT -5
I've dusted off my resume, preparatory to sending it off for a couple of jobs I saw posted. Just to see what happens. Good luck!
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Post by giramomma on Sept 29, 2023 15:44:41 GMT -5
So, the job I got the second interview for that I reapplied to didn't give me the time of day.
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Post by Works4me on Sept 29, 2023 19:09:24 GMT -5
So, the job I got the second interview for that I reapplied to didn't give me the time of day. Is it possible you have a bad reference secretly black balling you? What about a former or even current colleague/supervisor bad mouthing you? Is there anything on your Resume that just looks wrong/unlikely? I've seen all three of those happen to people and it can be pretty ugly out there.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 29, 2023 20:00:41 GMT -5
So, the job I got the second interview for that I reapplied to didn't give me the time of day. Is it possible you have a bad reference secretly black balling you? What about a former or even current colleague/supervisor bad mouthing you? Is there anything on your Resume that just looks wrong/unlikely? I've seen all three of those happen to people and it can be pretty ugly out there. No. If there was something wrong on my resume, I wouldn't have been a finalist the first time. I used the same resume the second time. Plus I had career services look through my resume and cover letter.
My supervisor was not listed as a reference. They also let you know they are contacting references. The folks I had for a reference have been encouraging me to leave for a year now.
Some jobs don't even want reference until they are ready to give you the position. Two people at work know I am applying for jobs. Neither are my supervisor. Nor do they talk to my supervisor. Honestly, it's not me for the most part. The only thing I am not doing well is verbally communicating to folks on how my skills are transferable. Which I'm talking to career services about that.
I'm going to be applying for an executive assistant position. I tick all of the required qualifications and 6/7 of the preferred qualifications.
And while I can say I can do the work, I am not an executive assistant. Because that is not what I am, I think they discount that when they consider me as a candidate because I don't have job experience in that particular role, even though I do all the tasks associated with that role. Or they will give the job to someone who ticks all the boxes is an executive assistant. Which is out of my control.
I think there are enough applicants that folks can afford to be choosy. One job I applied for, that I was a finalist for had 75 applicants. The fact that i was #2 out of 75 was pretty amazing. I got beat out by someone who had skills to do 20% of the job that I didn't have.
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Post by finnime on Sept 30, 2023 4:30:04 GMT -5
I think your experience just shows that job hunting is often a painful crapshoot, giramomma. Every now and then you are hit by lightning. It goes better when you can talk directly with the hiring management. Others, like HR, are looking to screen people out, not for good and interesting candidates. IME anyway.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 30, 2023 7:55:47 GMT -5
Thanks finn. The nice thing is that I still have a job. It is currently OK. And my fears of being fired like my coworker/friend are pretty unfounded. That doesn't negate that I am stuck. Or that the environment is toxic. Or my supervisor situation is good. At least it takes the pressure off.
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