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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 29, 2016 13:12:39 GMT -5
Just to clarify, at my previous job I was manager level, so I was not one of the employees being scrutinized. I still saw the effect it had on the employees working below me. It's a shame how many companies get away with this stuff.
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Post by swamp on Jan 29, 2016 14:27:29 GMT -5
That's the same kind of nonsense my last employer would pull. I pointed out to them that scrutinizing people like that makes it harder for them to do their jobs. Their response was to remind me that with today's job market, they could easily replace any of us. I hope your husband finds something soon. Job hunting is though on relationships. I was bottling everything up for the first 10 months, and then I had a meltdown. I got really angry at my SO for not taking the situation seriously enough, but how was he supposed to even know how bad I felt if I was always trying not to complain about it. My SO is having an awful time at his job these days too. His boss is a good guy, but he keeps bidding on jobs that take over an hour to get to without even factoring in traffic. I have had to bite my tongue a couple of times when he complains because I would like to have just about any job right now. Still, he doesn't want to hear that when he is stuck in traffic after a long day. I guess it is almost for the best that he hates his job because we are both really looking forward to moving. I am not quite understanding the one or two minute punching out on a shift being a problem. I thought the law was seven minutes before or after the scheduled shift was the "trigger" to pay the quarter hour. In other words, if you punched in 8 minutes early, the company had to pay you a quarter hour. Eight minutes after the scheduled shift, they had to pay the quarter hour. Unless they were under Federal or state scrutiny for not paying properly, and were under some sort of mandate to make sure they were not forcing an associate to give them a few extra minutes of work on each end of the shift?? And for goodness sake's people, you are working for the man. What is the problem of you or your housemate following company policy? Get real. Way too many false tears being cried here. What do I expect? I expect employers to follow existing labor laws.
Stop being an asshole.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 29, 2016 14:31:05 GMT -5
I think that is what happened here. They were very vocal about the fact that the owners do not feel that QA work is important and think they should only need one for all five plants in the area. QA work is considered lower than janitor work. They have no power/teeth to do anything if they find a problem. They are expected to "nicely" tell production and then production will decide if anything is done about it. DH also found out as he was leaving that the QAs are the only employees not allowed to join the union. That also explains A LOT. So part of this I wouldn't be surprised was an act on the manager's part to prove a point and secure his own job. I don't think that I would ever buy this product again.
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Post by kittensaver on Jan 29, 2016 14:50:03 GMT -5
Until they get in trouble for that shit, they'll keep doing it. So, by reporting it, you'll help the other employees in the future. That is, if the DOL does anything about it. THIS.
Back in another life time , I worked in HR for a bank. I will save you the blow-by-blow details, but basically when one president left and the next one came in (these guys were foreign nationals running the US branch of a foreign bank here in La La Land), everything changed radically - and a LOT of what got instituted was illegal. Being young and stupid and only in the middle ranks of HR, I should have just kept my head down and my mouth shut (which I was told directly by my boss to do) - but I didn't. I ended up leaving ahead of being fired.
About 15 years later, I read in the papers that this bank shut down as part of a settlement whereby the bank was accused of fraud and money laundering. And my boss (an American) was one of the indicted folks .
The point being - the Arch of Justice DOES exist, but sometimes it bends awfully long - too long to be of much use to someone who is getting screwed TODAY. It may not help Drama's husband now (he just needs to get out there and hustle to find another job and put this behind him), but the DOL is actually VERY interested in companies who have a "pattern and practice" of illegal shenanigans. An accusation here or there they (the DOL) can push aside because a company's lawyer can explain it away as a disgruntled employee, but when it pops up multiple times, they get interested. Problem is, if folks don't say something (knowing fully well it may not benefit them in the short-term), well, the DOL will never know.
Good luck to NomoreDramaQ1015 and her DH and whatever they decide.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 29, 2016 15:45:54 GMT -5
So Dh got a job offer - yeah! Only there is a problem. The pay range for the position is slightly lower than he was originally told. The recognize his skills and want to start him towards the top (basically what he makes now) but better hours and shorter commute- so still good so far. Only there is some issue with the pay scale that they can't change it easily. So basically one raise- which would happen in October and he's hit the cap. No more growth potential as it sits now.
It doesn't make any sense to me, and I'm at least glad they were up front about it. They aren't union, so I'm not sure what the issue is with changing the scale. The position hasn't even been occupied for 2 years, so I'm just confused as to what they are doing.
He's supposed to call them back today to set up a time to meet next week to talk about a package and the scale. He said he's going to talk to them today and tell them he has serious reservations about taking a job with no potential growth. I suggested they eliminate the old position and create a new one with a new name since the previous guy didn't do nearly what they are asking him to do.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 29, 2016 16:01:17 GMT -5
Would eliminating the old position require them to do interviews all over again? Fingers crossed it all works out!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 29, 2016 16:01:43 GMT -5
Is it some sort of HR road block that prevents them from offering him a higher salary?
I know in academia the pay range is very specific and cannot be changed, HR won't allow it. If my boss wants to pay me more than the cap then they have to fire me and rehire me as the next level up.
It's a PITA and not one people want to go thru very often.
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Post by swasat on Jan 29, 2016 16:03:16 GMT -5
So Dh got a job offer - yeah! Only there is a problem. The pay range for the position is slightly lower than he was originally told. The recognize his skills and want to start him towards the top (basically what he makes now) but better hours and shorter commute- so still good so far. Only there is some issue with the pay scale that they can't change it easily. So basically one raise- which would happen in October and he's hit the cap. No more growth potential as it sits now. It doesn't make any sense to me, and I'm at least glad they were up front about it. They aren't union, so I'm not sure what the issue is with changing the scale. The position hasn't even been occupied for 2 years, so I'm just confused as to what they are doing. He's supposed to call them back today to set up a time to meet next week to talk about a package and the scale. He said he's going to talk to them today and tell them he has serious reservations about taking a job with no potential growth. I suggested they eliminate the old position and create a new one with a new name since the previous guy didn't do nearly what they are asking him to do. A job that comes with a known growth and salary cap would give me the creeps. Seriously. At this point I would consider whats more important to you guys - better hours and shorter commute OR salary and growth potential, and then go from there.
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Post by swasat on Jan 29, 2016 16:11:40 GMT -5
I got into a internet yelling session with a lead on the new team. He he he.... The gist of it is that I asked her to forward me a meeting invite, to which she replies "is it my job to forward you the invite, go ask xyz! I don't have the time for such frivolities". For some reason it irked me so much I told her why can't it be her job? She is on the invite, she is a part of the team, it won't kill her to forward me the invite. I get an answer "I am not at your beck and call Ma'am". Well....neither am I at yours, so forget about the info you needed from me for next week. At this point she is pinging me on Lync and being rude....and me being me I became double the rude to her So now we are stand still, I start working with her on Monday and we have started off on friction. I am so not concerned though. Bullying is something I never take, consequences be damned.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 29, 2016 16:15:26 GMT -5
For me- it's the better hours and shorter commute. Right now he works 60+ hours a week with additional 2.5 hour a day in commute time. One day he may work until midnight, and have to be back in at 9am. Then at three am the following day. It sucks. This one is 1 hour commute time, and the odd hours would be an occasional, not a weekly thing.
Maybe they'll come up with a plan between now and when he goes in. There was a delay in getting back to him (they were supposed to call wednesday) so my guess is that they are already looking into it, but didn't want to delay the offer. The original guy was there for quite a long time and did about 1/2 what DH will be doing. When he retired, new management couldn't find anyone to fill the position right away- so they've been limping along and just recently made the search a priority. I think they are on a learning curve as to what it was going to take to fill the position. There aren't many people that do it- just ask DH. He looked for three years to find a decent candidate for one of his current company's other facilities.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 16:55:45 GMT -5
Abby Normal like someone else posted I would be more worried about no room for advancement then living for his current salary. The job in MD/VA/DC have been up front that they can possibly match my salary or offer a little bit less because I would be coming at the top range for their Jobs but the room for advancement is there! Hopefully they can figure out something for him; re-classify/re-write the job since he will be doing way more than the previous guy?
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 16:57:42 GMT -5
To call or not to call!!! Next week cannot come fast enough and the DM that interview me said they would make a decision by Tuesday-Wednesday. He gave me his business card and said to call him, but my wife fees it is better to wait for them to call you. But that will make for a long week and I would hope HR would get to be my next Friday with an actual offer (if I am lucky to get the job)... But would be nice if I could find out before then. Still no other leads
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 29, 2016 17:03:03 GMT -5
Abby Normal like someone else posted I would be more worried about no room for advancement then living for his current salary. The job in MD/VA/DC have been up front that they can possibly match my salary or offer a little bit less because I would be coming at the top range for their Jobs but the room for advancement is there! Hopefully they can figure out something for him; re-classify/re-write the job since he will be doing way more than the previous guy? Like I said, I'm guessing that is what they are doing, but didn't want to hold the offer. I'll find out more what they said tonight when he gets home. I can't believe any job would expect an employee to accept an offer with no growth potential. He was definately holding o. To that. But if he listened to her, like he listens to me, he probably got half the story wrong.
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 29, 2016 17:04:11 GMT -5
To call or not to call!!! Next week cannot come fast enough and the DM that interview me said they would make a decision by Tuesday-Wednesday. He gave me his business card and said to call him, but my wife fees it is better to wait for them to call you. But that will make for a long week and I would hope HR would get to be my next Friday with an actual offer (if I am lucky to get the job)... But would be nice if I could find out before then. Still no other leads If, by an hour before close of business on Wednesday, you haven't heard anything, you can feel free to call. However, I would call HR (if you have an HR contact) over calling the District Manager. You could send an email to the DM, but for that, I would wait until Thursday morning, if you haven't heard anything. Know that if you are their second choice candidate, and the first choice candidate has not given them a firm yes, yet, they may hem and haw and stretch out the time frame a bit.
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Post by Works4me on Jan 29, 2016 17:05:57 GMT -5
Carl - try to relax and enjoy a weekend off with your wife. You don't want to come off as desperate and in a panic - people can sense that and it will make them wonder what they are not being told.
Are cre you able to get unemployment?
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 17:10:37 GMT -5
Abby Normal like someone else posted I would be more worried about no room for advancement then living for his current salary. The job in MD/VA/DC have been up front that they can possibly match my salary or offer a little bit less because I would be coming at the top range for their Jobs but the room for advancement is there! Hopefully they can figure out something for him; re-classify/re-write the job since he will be doing way more than the previous guy? Like I said, I'm guessing that is what they are doing, but didn't want to hold the offer. I'll find out more what they said tonight when he gets home. I can't believe any job would expect an employee to accept an offer with no growth potential. He was definately holding o. To that. But if he listened to her, like he listens to me, he probably got half the story wrong. Either way let's put that as a WIN! He got a job offer Now just need to negotiate the pesky little details
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Post by justme on Jan 29, 2016 17:10:52 GMT -5
For me- it's the better hours and shorter commute. Right now he works 60+ hours a week with additional 2.5 hour a day in commute time. One day he may work until midnight, and have to be back in at 9am. Then at three am the following day. It sucks. This one is 1 hour commute time, and the odd hours would be an occasional, not a weekly thing. Maybe they'll come up with a plan between now and when he goes in. There was a delay in getting back to him (they were supposed to call wednesday) so my guess is that they are already looking into it, but didn't want to delay the offer. The original guy was there for quite a long time and did about 1/2 what DH will be doing. When he retired, new management couldn't find anyone to fill the position right away- so they've been limping along and just recently made the search a priority. I think they are on a learning curve as to what it was going to take to fill the position. There aren't many people that do it- just ask DH. He looked for three years to find a decent candidate for one of his current company's other facilities. So the same pay for less hours? That would mean he is actually getting better pay if he's salaried. Ie 50k at 60 hours a week is 16 an hour but at 40 hours a week it's 24. Growth would still be an issue though.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 17:12:02 GMT -5
To call or not to call!!! Next week cannot come fast enough and the DM that interview me said they would make a decision by Tuesday-Wednesday. He gave me his business card and said to call him, but my wife fees it is better to wait for them to call you. But that will make for a long week and I would hope HR would get to be my next Friday with an actual offer (if I am lucky to get the job)... But would be nice if I could find out before then. Still no other leads If, by an hour before close of business on Wednesday, you haven't heard anything, you can feel free to call. However, I would call HR (if you have an HR contact) over calling the District Manager. You could send an email to the DM, but for that, I would wait until Thursday morning, if you haven't heard anything. Know that if you are their second choice candidate, and the first choice candidate has not given them a firm yes, yet, they may hem and haw and stretch out the time frame a bit.I guess I will just wait till next Friday and hope they reach out to me by then
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Post by emma1420 on Jan 29, 2016 17:12:42 GMT -5
To call or not to call!!! Next week cannot come fast enough and the DM that interview me said they would make a decision by Tuesday-Wednesday. He gave me his business card and said to call him, but my wife fees it is better to wait for them to call you. But that will make for a long week and I would hope HR would get to be my next Friday with an actual offer (if I am lucky to get the job)... But would be nice if I could find out before then. Still no other leads Anything you can do to put this job out of your mind is a good thing. Focus on other job interviews, other applications, etc. If you don't the job you will have plenty of other irons in the fire. If you do get the job it will be a great surprise and you will be calmer about negotiating a salary.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 29, 2016 17:22:43 GMT -5
For me- it's the better hours and shorter commute. Right now he works 60+ hours a week with additional 2.5 hour a day in commute time. One day he may work until midnight, and have to be back in at 9am. Then at three am the following day. It sucks. This one is 1 hour commute time, and the odd hours would be an occasional, not a weekly thing. Maybe they'll come up with a plan between now and when he goes in. There was a delay in getting back to him (they were supposed to call wednesday) so my guess is that they are already looking into it, but didn't want to delay the offer. The original guy was there for quite a long time and did about 1/2 what DH will be doing. When he retired, new management couldn't find anyone to fill the position right away- so they've been limping along and just recently made the search a priority. I think they are on a learning curve as to what it was going to take to fill the position. There aren't many people that do it- just ask DH. He looked for three years to find a decent candidate for one of his current company's other facilities. So the same pay for less hours? That would mean he is actually getting better pay if he's salaried. Ie 50k at 60 hours a week is 16 an hour but at 40 hours a week it's 24. Growth would still be an issue though. Yes both current and potential positions are salaried. Neither of us would consider him taking a no growth position and the more I think about it, I don't think they are asking him too. But trying to figure a way around, and may need time to do so. But I can see that detail passing by dh. Might be in the actual job offer they'll give him something in writing that they'd expand the scale within a year. Maybe it's just a "here's what we are up against, but we really want you to work here, so we'll get it fixed" type thing.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 17:27:10 GMT -5
To call or not to call!!! Next week cannot come fast enough and the DM that interview me said they would make a decision by Tuesday-Wednesday. He gave me his business card and said to call him, but my wife fees it is better to wait for them to call you. But that will make for a long week and I would hope HR would get to be my next Friday with an actual offer (if I am lucky to get the job)... But would be nice if I could find out before then. Still no other leads Anything you can do to put this job out of your mind is a good thing. Focus on other job interviews, other applications, etc. If you don't the job you will have plenty of other irons in the fire. If you do get the job it will be a great surprise and you will be calmer about negotiating a salary. Easier said than done because it is the only job I had a 1 on 1 face time interview and no more leads but I totally understand. Going to keep on looking and applying.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 17:28:56 GMT -5
Carl - try to relax and enjoy a weekend off with your wife. You don't want to come off as desperate and in a panic - people can sense that and it will make them wonder what they are not being told. Are cre you able to get unemployment? I know and my wife said the same, I need to get out of the house more etc. I don't know about the unemployment yet, right now it seems like no.
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Post by financialpeace on Jan 29, 2016 17:31:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice several days ago. I had a heart-to-heart with my boss yesterday and am feeling better about things. I'm going to give the new job a shot, and if I don't want to continue with it, my boss is willing to transition me back to my old position or a similar one.
Best of luck to all the rest of you. There seems to be a lot of stress and frustration in this thread. I feel bad for whining about my job.
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Post by swasat on Jan 29, 2016 18:15:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice several days ago. I had a heart-to-heart with my boss yesterday and am feeling better about things. I'm going to give the new job a shot, and if I don't want to continue with it, my boss is willing to transition me back to my old position or a similar one. Best of luck to all the rest of you. There seems to be a lot of stress and frustration in this thread. I feel bad for whining about my job. No job related frustration is ever too small or insignificant For the person facing the issue it's obviously big, hence the need to vent/share here. So vent away!!!
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 29, 2016 18:17:23 GMT -5
The only regret that I have about leaving my last job is that I didn't even try to get unemployment. It can't hurt to try. Also, don't forget to take long walks or do whatever else to try to relax and just enjoy a hopefully short break in employment. It feels weird and it is not fun, but hopefully it won't last too long.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 19:28:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice several days ago. I had a heart-to-heart with my boss yesterday and am feeling better about things. I'm going to give the new job a shot, and if I don't want to continue with it, my boss is willing to transition me back to my old position or a similar one. Best of luck to all the rest of you. There seems to be a lot of stress and frustration in this thread. I feel bad for whining about my job. No job related frustration is ever too small or insignificant For the person facing the issue it's obviously big, hence the need to vent/share here. So vent away!!! financialpeace I am happy you were able to talk to your boss and come up with a solution that would work for the both of you.
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Post by murphath on Jan 29, 2016 19:32:58 GMT -5
Haitian: Did you lose your current job? Or is the matter still under review?
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 29, 2016 19:44:36 GMT -5
To call or not to call!!! Next week cannot come fast enough and the DM that interview me said they would make a decision by Tuesday-Wednesday. He gave me his business card and said to call him, but my wife fees it is better to wait for them to call you. But that will make for a long week and I would hope HR would get to be my next Friday with an actual offer (if I am lucky to get the job)... But would be nice if I could find out before then. Still no other leads If he gave you his card and asked you to call, I'd call. I might give him a ring on Monday just to say "hello" and reiterate my interest in the job.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 20:02:17 GMT -5
Another company reached out to me and I just finished the application online.
Also about to complete another one for a job in CT. At least the range advertised is within my range and higher!
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 20:04:44 GMT -5
Haitian: Did you lose your current job? Or is the matter still under review? I was fired last Friday! 1 week today....
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