Chelsea Clinton blasts Rampling on her statement

[zibazinski]

Jan 23, 2016 13:35:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 23, 2016 13:26:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So, you are comparing Chelsea to the Donald?
She is not actually running for anything, just helping out momma.
Now the Donald, is a different story.
He called for a temporary stop to allowing Muslims in until the failed American government agencies can actually figure out how to do their jobs correctly.

As far as illegal Spanish American aliens, whether Mexican, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, in the country illegally, whether they are rapists, drug pushers, dealers, etc, or just "good people" here illegally, they should not be here due to the legality of the laws in place.
If legal Spanish Americans have a problem with that, they cannot look at theirselves in the mirror, in good counsious.
If honest legal Spanish American

No matter what your defense is, Trump is driving a wedge between white Christians and Hispanics and Muslims. Simple as that.

ETA: And Barbara Bush is just helping out sonny.

Trump isn't driving the wedge. The wedge is there

[tallguy]

Jan 23, 2016 14:26:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 23, 2016 14:10:36 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

IDK, should a person moving to a country where a large majority of people speak a certain language probably learn the language or should a person expect people in that country cater to them not knowing it? I'm not sure the right answer to the question; I do suspect that if an American went abroad and expected others to know English, many of the same people arguing that we shouldn't expect people coming here to know the dominant language would argue those same Americans are being stupid to expect people in other countries to cater to them.  OTOH, I also suspect that many of the people who would go abroad and expect citizens in other countries to speak English, even if it is not the dominant language, would also be some of the same people who complain that people here should learn to speak English.  So it's a double-standard all around. 

I will ask again-must non-English speaking legally admitted citizens be allowed to seek employment in the U.S.even if at that time of employment they do not speak English? Or should they simply live off of government assistance. I personally would prefer they pay their own way through working a job and pay taxes. But that's just my opinion.

To play devil's advocate a little bit:  Why should the ability to speak at least passable English NOT be a condition of admittance?  The decision to come here and request admittance implies a decision to make a new life, i.e. that it is a long-term if not permanent plan.  A certain amount of preparation in advance for such a move is not unreasonable to ask.  Also, why should immigrants be granted government assistance?  They were not abducted and brought here, nor are they forced to remain.  Being granted legal status should be a sufficient lottery win itself without an expectation of being supported by government rather than one's own efforts.   

[verrip1]

Jan 23, 2016 14:53:01 GMT -5 tallguy said:

To play devil's advocate a little bit:  Why should the ability to speak at least passable English NOT be a condition of admittance?  The decision to come here and request admittance implies a decision to make a new life, i.e. that it is a long-term if not permanent plan.  A certain amount of preparation in advance for such a move is not unreasonable to ask.  Also, why should immigrants be granted government assistance?  They were not abducted and brought here, nor are they forced to remain.  Being granted legal status should be a sufficient lottery win itself without an expectation of being supported by government rather than one's own efforts.   

The answer to these questions is that the government of the United Federation of Planets States of America has staked out a stupid approach to magnanimity.  It has become the exemplar of Pompousness in Twitdom.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 23, 2016 14:53:01 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jan 23, 2016 14:26:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I will ask again-must non-English speaking legally admitted citizens be allowed to seek employment in the U.S.even if at that time of employment they do not speak English? Or should they simply live off of government assistance. I personally would prefer they pay their own way through working a job and pay taxes. But that's just my opinion.

To play devil's advocate a little bit:  Why should the ability to speak at least passable English NOT be a condition of admittance?  The decision to come here and request admittance implies a decision to make a new life, i.e. that it is a long-term if not permanent plan.  A certain amount of preparation in advance for such a move is not unreasonable to ask.  Also, why should immigrants be granted government assistance?  They were not abducted and brought here, nor are they forced to remain.  Being granted legal status should be a sufficient lottery win itself without an expectation of being supported by government rather than one's own efforts.   

I would agree with you if we had a English language test prior to legally admitting anyone into the United States. But we don't. The ability to even speak a smidgen of English has never been required of immigrants throughout this country's history. So why should it be required now? If we now want to make it a requirement immigrants must speak passable English admittance, then change the law.

In the mean time, I am okay with the two non-English speaking employees working at KMart. These two employees wanted to work and found a job. They are earning a living in the United States and paying taxes on their earnings.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 23, 2016 14:51:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jan 23, 2016 13:35:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

No matter what your defense is, Trump is driving a wedge between white Christians and Hispanics and Muslims. Simple as that.

ETA: And Barbara Bush is just helping out sonny.

Trump isn't driving the wedge. The wedge is there

And the wedge is getting bigger and bigger thanks to Trump. Is that the type of president we want? Someone who pits American citizens and legal immigrants against each other? Or who pits believers of different religions against each other? Yes, there are illegal immigrants in this country. But those same illegal immigrants more than likely have family here who are citizens or at least legal residents. Those citizens do vote.

[zibazinski]

Trump obviously appeals to a large segment of voters. i get that some people don't like what he's saying but it's apparent a huge section of the country don't feel heard.

[b2r]

  Well, MLK supports Trump ...Clinton gets the nod from Malcolm X though.  Sup, TMZ!

[zibazinski]

Ack

[dondub]

Hillary and Malcolm X golfing together. That's rich.

[bean29]

Both my in-laws speak pretty good english, but my MIL likes to have one of her kids handle business matters just to make sure they understand.

MIL has me handle her Medicare supplement. Sometimes I end up handling this at work, but we don't have poa, so HIPPA can be a problem. Having someone else involved in Medicare advantage enrollment is not uncommon, as lots of people here are helping family members. Last year I finally pressed the number for Spanish from their house, then talked to the rep in english, and had them talk to in-laws in Spanish.

My MIL dosn't trust some of her kids to handle her business. DH came home from work the other day and said his youngest brother enrolled his parents in 30 days of "free" credit monitoring. This for 2 people that do not use credit cards. DH was mad bc he had to waste time cancelling it.

Recently MIL tenant moved out of her rental property. MIL got a letter from the power company stating the tenant cancelled service on DD/MM/YY and per previously filed agreement they were transferring service to in-laws name. (This is WI, vacant rental props need heat or pipes can freeze). I verified date tenants left and told her all was good.

Both the medicare advantage plans and the power utility have Spanish speaking customer service reps. I am sure they offer this because there is enough demand to make it feasible. My MIL just dosn't trust them not to scam her, so she finds someone in the family to help her.

I have been married to DH 23 years. DH has 7 brothers. I have 5 sil that are Americans. None of us learned Spanish just being around it. I had 3 years of Spanish in HS and I still only know a word here & there. It is very easy to totally mis-understand something when you are not fluent in a language.

I don't know why some of you hate on people like my in-laws. They are actually very well liked by their neighbors-and they live in a pretty white suburb.

[Value Buy]

Jan 23, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 23, 2016 13:17:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Then you have tweets speaking the truth about retail service jobs in America and you still get attacked


www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/bethenny-frankel-goes-on-twitter-rant-at-kmart-over-non-english-speaking-employees/ar-BBoAKw8?li=BBnbfcL

Should non-English speaking, legally residing in the U.S. people need to learn conversational English before they can seek work?

Very broad question which imo has a wide range of responses, even from me, so will try to honestly respond.
K-Mart? If not in a Spanish majority residential area, yes. Shame on me to go into a Spanish neighborhood and expect English to be spoken.
Little Havana in Miami, Spanish Harlem, (not sure, is that mostly black nowadays?) or many areas of Chicago, or East Chicago, the Harbor area, in Indiana, etc.
In an "authentic" Mexican, or Spanish restaurant or bakery, tacaria regardless of location, expecting authenic food. No, but usually even there, English is fairly well spoken.
Maids in the hotel I am staying, yes, at least some basic understanding of English. At least even there I just hit "desk" on the phone, and get my request down, and do an online response to mgmt telling them to get their darn act together, and get bilingual people in there. In all honesty,  have always been able to communicate in English for the most part with that situation.
If they are legal, no problem from me other than servicing American. English speaking citizens in a public fashion. They should be required to serve us in an equitable way via American English language.
If you receive subpar service from American speaking citizens, in business situations, it is fair to complain and lodge a complaint for improper conduct, or services rendered.
If you are receiving subpar service from Spanish only speaking employees, you should complain. To do otherwise is favorable discrimination for them. One should not shrug it off, and say, welll, they just do not understand English".
Granted one may not know whether the poor service is due to lack of English, but it will be the first assumption of the customer.
This applies much more to the service and retail industry, rather than high-tech area, as businesses have to deal it within house and the confines of their particular workforce. There problem to deal with, within their own workforce. 

[Value Buy]

Jan 24, 2016 7:38:36 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Both my in-laws speak pretty good english, but my MIL likes to have one of her kids handle business matters just to make sure they understand.

MIL has me handle her Medicare supplement. Sometimes I end up handling this at work, but we don't have poa, so HIPPA can be a problem. Having someone else involved in Medicare advantage enrollment is not uncommon, as lots of people here are helping family members. Last year I finally pressed the number for Spanish from their house, then talked to the rep in english, and had them talk to in-laws in Spanish.

My MIL dosn't trust some of her kids to handle her business. DH came home from work the other day and said his youngest brother enrolled his parents in 30 days of "free" credit monitoring. This for 2 people that do not use credit cards. DH was mad bc he had to waste time cancelling it.

Recently MIL tenant moved out of her rental property. MIL got a letter from the power company stating the tenant cancelled service on DD/MM/YY and per previously filed agreement they were transferring service to in-laws name. (This is WI, vacant rental props need heat or pipes can freeze). I verified date tenants left and told her all was good.

Both the medicare advantage plans and the power utility have Spanish speaking customer service reps. I am sure they offer this because there is enough demand to make it feasible. My MIL just dosn't trust them not to scam her, so she finds someone in the family to help her.

I have been married to DH 23 years. DH has 7 brothers. I have 5 sil that are Americans. None of us learned Spanish just being around it. I had 3 years of Spanish in HS and I still only know a word here & there. It is very easy to totally mis-understand something when you are not fluent in a language.

I don't know why some of you hate on people like my in-laws. They are actually very well liked by their neighbors-and they live in a pretty white suburb.

Your last sentence........
Who here hates people like your in-laws?
If working in retail or public jobs, we would want them to be able to communicate with American speaking customers.
Nice and simple, and not too much to expect

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jan 24, 2016 7:38:36 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Both my in-laws speak pretty good english, but my MIL likes to have one of her kids handle business matters just to make sure they understand.

MIL has me handle her Medicare supplement. Sometimes I end up handling this at work, but we don't have poa, so HIPPA can be a problem. Having someone else involved in Medicare advantage enrollment is not uncommon, as lots of people here are helping family members. Last year I finally pressed the number for Spanish from their house, then talked to the rep in english, and had them talk to in-laws in Spanish.

My MIL dosn't trust some of her kids to handle her business. DH came home from work the other day and said his youngest brother enrolled his parents in 30 days of "free" credit monitoring. This for 2 people that do not use credit cards. DH was mad bc he had to waste time cancelling it.

Recently MIL tenant moved out of her rental property. MIL got a letter from the power company stating the tenant cancelled service on DD/MM/YY and per previously filed agreement they were transferring service to in-laws name. (This is WI, vacant rental props need heat or pipes can freeze). I verified date tenants left and told her all was good.

Both the medicare advantage plans and the power utility have Spanish speaking customer service reps. I am sure they offer this because there is enough demand to make it feasible. My MIL just dosn't trust them not to scam her, so she finds someone in the family to help her.

I have been married to DH 23 years. DH has 7 brothers. I have 5 sil that are Americans. None of us learned Spanish just being around it. I had 3 years of Spanish in HS and I still only know a word here & there. It is very easy to totally mis-understand something when you are not fluent in a language.

I don't know why some of you hate on people like my in-laws. They are actually very well liked by their neighbors-and they live in a pretty white suburb.

Who is hating on your in-laws?  That argument is a false argument, used far too often when even trying to breach the topic; people automatically want to think people are "hating" or just "scared" when trying to have a discussion on such similar topics, which makes discussing them objectively difficult to do. 

[happyhoix]

Jan 23, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 23, 2016 13:17:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Then you have tweets speaking the truth about retail service jobs in America and you still get attacked


www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/bethenny-frankel-goes-on-twitter-rant-at-kmart-over-non-english-speaking-employees/ar-BBoAKw8?li=BBnbfcL

Should non-English speaking, legally residing in the U.S. people need to learn conversational English before they can seek work?

No. That should be left to their employers.

I have to drive through a part of Georgia that has a pretty big Hispanic population about every 2 weeks. Sometimes I stop at a Hardees there (I think this is called Karl's in other parts of the country). Unlike most Hardees in the South, they have biscuits for breakfast, but after lunch, the menu is primarily Hispanic foods. (Most Hardees have hamburgers for the lunch and dinner menu).

I've noticed, standing in line, that every person working the cash register (or everyone that I've seen so far) is bilingual. Not just the ones that appear to have a Hispanic background, but also the blond haired, blue eyed young ladies. When someone comes to the register and starts speaking Spanish, the person at the cash register always speaks it back to them.

I also noticed that in the kitchen area, there appear to be some non-English people working - I've seen a crew leader (non-Hispanic looking) turn and say something to a Hispanic looking cook in Spanish.

So, apparently Hardees in this location has made the business choice to hire only bilingual cash register employees, and bi-lingual crew leaders who can speak to the kitchen staff in either language. They've modified their menu away from biscuits and burgers to biscuits and tacos.

And it works - the place is always jammed. As I was standing in line a few weeks back, waiting to order a biscuit, a Hispanic couple in front of me ordered (In Spanish, from a blond haired white girl) two gravy biscuits. I thought to myself - ok, this is what America is. Various cultures coming together to spend money on fast food that's not very good for you but is delicious.  

[Tennesseer]

happyhoix-gravy biscuits (with sausage):  a guilty pleasure.  

[happyhoix]

Jan 25, 2016 16:59:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

happyhoix -gravy biscuits (with sausage):  a guilty pleasure.  

My favorite is a ham and egg biscuit. Or sometimes a chicken biscuit.

Forget your doughnuts or bear claws. The road to Hell is paved with biscuits.

[mmhmm]

Jan 25, 2016 17:02:48 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 25, 2016 16:59:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

happyhoix -gravy biscuits (with sausage):  a guilty pleasure.  

My favorite is a ham and egg biscuit. Or sometimes a chicken biscuit.

Forget your doughnuts or bear claws. The road to Hell is paved with biscuits.

I love bacon, egg and cheese biscuits! I make those at home, too. Also love biscuits and sausage or bacon gravy. My coronary arteries and I have made a deal. I won't tell anybody if they don't.

[billisonboard]

Sausage gravy on cornbread.

[billisonboard]

Jan 25, 2016 14:19:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

... I was standing in line a few weeks back, waiting to order a biscuit, a Hispanic couple in front of me ordered (In Spanish, from a blond haired white girl) two gravy biscuits. I thought to myself - ok, this is what America is. ...

A former girlfriend's adopted from Korea son working at a McDonald's talking to a couple of guys in Spanish on how to get the most from their limited funds is one of my favorite "this is America" stories.

[djAdvocate]

i just had a pancake on a stick this morning.  it is a sausage dipped in pancake batter and deep fried.

frigging delicious.