Finally, his last State of the Union Address

[Value Buy]

Now we can get down and look forward to the new Presidency

For those of the Democratic Persuasion here, Fact check .org corrects a few mistakes from last night's address to the nation.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/factchecking-the-state-of-the-union/ar-CCsR7E?li=BBnb7Kz

[Value Buy]

I really wonder how large the audience was last night.

[Gardening Grandma]

Excellent speech. And FLOTUS looked stunning. The Kentucky trailer trash looked like she came right from Walmart.
snark over.

seriously, it was a very different SOTU speech and I've watched most of them over the past 15 years

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I didn't watch it (at work, and couldn't afford to fall asleep)... but... I was wondering WTH was Kim Davis doing there? How did she rate an invite?

[tallguy]

Jan 13, 2016 19:53:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I didn't watch it (at work, and couldn't afford to fall asleep)... but... I was wondering WTH was Kim Davis doing there? How did she rate an invite?

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Apparently it was a surprise even to the Congressman....  

[whoisjohngalt]

I can't hear this guy speak, it turns my stomach, so I was just upset that my regular shows weren't on.

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Jan 13, 2016 20:14:57 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jan 13, 2016 19:53:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I didn't watch it (at work, and couldn't afford to fall asleep)... but... I was wondering WTH was Kim Davis doing there? How did she rate an invite?

link

 

Apparently it was a surprise even to the Congressman....  

LOL... sorry. I should have mentioned I read several accounts (CNN, ABC, HuffPo) on how (who gave it to her, and why) she got the ticket... and I'm STILL stumped as to how she rated an invite.

This country is, indeed, in trouble if defying the government gets you invited to a government function.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2016 9:21:27 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

He made several comments that seemed pointed right at Trump. As another poster here pointed out on a different thread- the GOP probably didn't mind that at all.

It seems that the GOP tried to throw out an olive branch to minorities and immigrants with their follow up speech.

Obama made some good points too, such as: Let strength overcome fears.

did he point out the fact that UE feel by 1/3 since his first day, 1/2 from it's peak, that $1T was shaved from the deficit, and that the economy added 10x as many jobs as under W? 

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did he point out the fact that UE feel by 1/3 since his first day, 1/2 from it's peak, that $1T was shaved from the deficit, and that the economy added 10x as many jobs as under W?   as Paul Harvey would say, "and now for the REST of the story.." "Good Day"        

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tech challenged...meh..

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 13, 2016 21:34:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 13, 2016 20:14:57 GMT -5 tallguy said:

link

 

Apparently it was a surprise even to the Congressman....  

LOL... sorry. I should have mentioned I read several accounts (CNN, ABC, HuffPo) on how (who gave it to her, and why) she got the ticket... and I'm STILL stumped as to how she rated an invite.e

This country is, indeed, in trouble if defying the government gets you invited to a government function.

 The country is, indeed, in serious trouble when disobeying a direct court order and breaking tne law is rewarded.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2016 23:56:59 GMT -5 @shabbona said:

did he point out the fact that UE feel by 1/3 since his first day, 1/2 from it's peak, that $1T was shaved from the deficit, and that the economy added 10x as many jobs as under W?   as Paul Harvey would say, "and now for the REST of the story.." "Good Day"        

like it or not, most voters judge presidencies on the basis of the economy.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2016 21:34:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 13, 2016 20:14:57 GMT -5 tallguy said:

link

 

Apparently it was a surprise even to the Congressman....  

LOL... sorry. I should have mentioned I read several accounts (CNN, ABC, HuffPo) on how (who gave it to her, and why) she got the ticket... and I'm STILL stumped as to how she rated an invite.

This country is, indeed, in trouble if defying the government gets you invited to a government function.

kind of like Trump giving out free tickets to his campaign events? 

[Value Buy]

Jan 14, 2016 8:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 13, 2016 21:34:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

LOL... sorry. I should have mentioned I read several accounts (CNN, ABC, HuffPo) on how (who gave it to her, and why) she got the ticket... and I'm STILL stumped as to how she rated an invite.

This country is, indeed, in trouble if defying the government gets you invited to a government function.

kind of like Trump giving out free tickets to his campaign events? 

Wait, you mean they are supposed to charge you for getting into a campaign rally?
Does Hillary do that?

[dondub]

Those 'lost' jobs were simply sent overseas for the low wage workers available there. This aids the bottom line but destroys the middle class.

[billisonboard]

Jan 15, 2016 1:02:31 GMT -5 @shabbona said:

... I'm a libertarian, for the record...yeah, I know...lucky me! ...

I am curious. Are you a libertarian or a Libertarian (i.e. a member of this organization: Libertarian Party)

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2016 1:02:31 GMT -5 @shabbona said:

dj I agree with your statement that most voters judge their presidency on the economy. That's why I'm not a Democrat, I guess. I'm a libertarian, for the record...yeah, I know...lucky me! But I take it you're happy, so I'm happy for you...

of course i am happy!  i went nowhere financially for (8) years under Bush, and i became a millionare under Obama.  why should i NOT be happy?

I just wish he would tell us the truth. An example: yes, 900k jobs were created since he took office, but that's only half the story.

who, Bush?  no, under Obama, over 9 MILLION jobs were created.  10x what you just said.  you must mean manufacturing. 

The rest of the story he failed to mention was that though 900k is a positive, we lost 2M manufacturing jobs alone.

i don't know where you got this.  we have added about 1/2M under Obama, but lost 4M under Bush.  have you ever seen anyone say that in print?  i haven't.  but it is a fact.

In my back of the envelope calculation, that's still a net loss of over 1M.  I'd just prefer the whole (truthful) story, not just the cherry picked parts/slanted and half truthful ones. Unfortunately for me, there aren't a lot of positives I can think of when I think about his time as POTUS.. 

you might see my earlier post.  i think i listed them.  there have been a lot of positives, and some negatives, as well.  but if you were talking about Bush, i agree.  i have trouble remembering any positives.  and yeah, i really mean that.

His legacy will indeed be remembered...

i think it will be remembered quite well.  i am young enough to be around to be shown correct.

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Jan 15, 2016 17:14:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 15, 2016 1:02:31 GMT -5 @shabbona said:

dj I agree with your statement that most voters judge their presidency on the economy. That's why I'm not a Democrat, I guess. I'm a libertarian, for the record...yeah, I know...lucky me! But I take it you're happy, so I'm happy for you...

of course i am happy!  i went nowhere financially for (8) years under Bush, and i became a millionare under Obama.  why should i NOT be happy?

I just wish he would tell us the truth. An example: yes, 900k jobs were created since he took office, but that's only half the story.

who, Bush?  no, under Obama, over 9 MILLION jobs were created.  10x what you just said.  you must mean manufacturing. 

The rest of the story he failed to mention was that though 900k is a positive, we lost 2M manufacturing jobs alone.

i don't know where you got this.  we have added about 1/2M under Obama, but lost 4M under Bush.  have you ever seen anyone say that in print?  i haven't.  but it is a fact.

In my back of the envelope calculation, that's still a net loss of over 1M.  I'd just prefer the whole (truthful) story, not just the cherry picked parts/slanted and half truthful ones. Unfortunately for me, there aren't a lot of positives I can think of when I think about his time as POTUS.. 

you might see my earlier post.  i think i listed them.  there have been a lot of positives, and some negatives, as well.  but if you were talking about Bush, i agree.  i have trouble remembering any positives.  and yeah, i really mean that.

His legacy will indeed be remembered...

i think it will be remembered quite well.  i am young enough to be around to be shown correct.

Doesn't matter HOW young you are though... as you won't be shown to be correct. Obama is/was a disaster of epic proportions. It's not as noticeable NOW... but when all the IOU's and other fallout from his policies are completely tallied the devastation will be ENORMOUS.

I hope you have that Million dollars somewhere safer than stocks when the fallout begins...

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2016 20:21:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 15, 2016 17:14:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think it will be remembered quite well.  i am young enough to be around to be shown correct.

Doesn't matter HOW young you are though... as you won't be shown to be correct. Obama is/was a disaster of epic proportions. It's not as noticeable NOW... but when all the IOU's and other fallout from his policies are completely tallied the devastation will be ENORMOUS.

I hope you have that Million dollars somewhere safer than stocks when the fallout begins...

you can't predict the future, and neither can i.  but i am fairly confident i am right.  i have never been wrong about this stuff before, and i have been forecasting this stuff since about 1986.

as to your second comment, i have no need of anything financially.  none whatsoever.  i am set.  most of my money is parked in hard assets, and a good deal of it is outside of the US.  but thanks for the financial advice.  it is appreciated.

edit: Richard:

Question 1: who was the worst deficit producer in US history- driving our debt from 50% of GDP to over 100% during his time in office?
Question 2: how is he remembered?

that is all the evidence you need that you are probably wrong. 

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Jan 15, 2016 21:45:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 15, 2016 20:21:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Doesn't matter HOW young you are though... as you won't be shown to be correct. Obama is/was a disaster of epic proportions. It's not as noticeable NOW... but when all the IOU's and other fallout from his policies are completely tallied the devastation will be ENORMOUS.

I hope you have that Million dollars somewhere safer than stocks when the fallout begins...

you can't predict the future, and neither can i.  but i am fairly confident i am right.  i have never been wrong about this stuff before, and i have been forecasting this stuff since about 1986.

as to your second comment, i have no need of anything financially.  none whatsoever.  i am set.  most of my money is parked in hard assets, and a good deal of it is outside of the US.  but thanks for the financial advice.  it is appreciated.

edit: Richard:

Question 1: who was the worst deficit producer in US history- driving our debt from 25% of GDP to over 100% during his time in office?
Question 2: how is he remembered?

that is all the evidence you need that you are probably wrong. 

Answer #1: That would be Mr Obama. (President Obama has the largest deficits, totaling $6.6 trillion projected for his eight years in office. SOURCE)
Answer #2: He's not "remembered" as anything yet... he will be "remembered" as the worst President in US history.

[tallguy]

Jan 15, 2016 22:00:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 15, 2016 21:45:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can't predict the future, and neither can i.  but i am fairly confident i am right.  i have never been wrong about this stuff before, and i have been forecasting this stuff since about 1986.

as to your second comment, i have no need of anything financially.  none whatsoever.  i am set.  most of my money is parked in hard assets, and a good deal of it is outside of the US.  but thanks for the financial advice.  it is appreciated.

edit: Richard:

Question 1: who was the worst deficit producer in US history- driving our debt from 25% of GDP to over 100% during his time in office?
Question 2: how is he remembered?

that is all the evidence you need that you are probably wrong. 

Answer #1: That would be Mr Obama. (President Obama has the largest deficits, totaling $6.6 trillion projected for his eight years in office. SOURCE)
Answer #2: He's not "remembered" as anything yet... he will be "remembered" as the worst President in US history.

Uhhh, no.  Incorrect on multiple counts. 

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Jan 15, 2016 22:29:40 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jan 15, 2016 22:00:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Answer #1: That would be Mr Obama. (President Obama has the largest deficits, totaling $6.6 trillion projected for his eight years in office. SOURCE)
Answer #2: He's not "remembered" as anything yet... he will be "remembered" as the worst President in US history.

Uhhh, no.  Incorrect on multiple counts. 

Uhhh, no. Correct on all factual counts. 

*Answer #2 is an opinion, as there are no facts for future events

[tallguy]

The answer to #1 is not Obama.  And regardless, he will not be remembered as anywhere near the worst President in US history.  In the middle somewhere, yes.  He will not even approach being considered the worst president of the first two this century.   

As for who IS the answer to #1, I think I can grant him some extenuating circumstances.... 

[mmhmm]

Jan 15, 2016 23:35:04 GMT -5 @shabbona said:

Not a Libertarian...no, uhm just no. I thought Libertarian meant you shared and/or agreed w/edicts of both Republicans and Democrats.  Which I do.

..so what am I, lol?

sorry dj,  was on laughing gas and am still on pain pills after dentist appt., yesterday a.m., don't recall where/what info came from that I posted.

 

Probably a moderate, or an independent.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2016 22:00:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 15, 2016 21:45:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can't predict the future, and neither can i.  but i am fairly confident i am right.  i have never been wrong about this stuff before, and i have been forecasting this stuff since about 1986.

as to your second comment, i have no need of anything financially.  none whatsoever.  i am set.  most of my money is parked in hard assets, and a good deal of it is outside of the US.  but thanks for the financial advice.  it is appreciated.

edit: Richard:

Question 1: who was the worst deficit producer in US history- driving our debt from 50% of GDP to over 100% during his time in office?
Question 2: how is he remembered?

that is all the evidence you need that you are probably wrong. 

Answer #1: That would be Mr Obama. (President Obama has the largest deficits, totaling $6.6 trillion projected for his eight years in office. SOURCE)
Answer #2: He's not "remembered" as anything yet... he will be "remembered" as the worst President in US history.

yeah.  you have some homework to do.

edit: the second half is part of the question, Richard. 

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2016 23:04:27 GMT -5 tallguy said:

The answer to #1 is not Obama.  And regardless, he will not be remembered as anywhere near the worst President in US history.  In the middle somewhere, yes.  He will not even approach being considered the worst president of the first two this century.   

As for who IS the answer to #1, I think I can grant him some extenuating circumstances.... 

indeed there were.  and that was my entire point, actually.  if you consider the absolute clusterf*&k that Obama inherited, i think he did OK.

historians will to.  in fact, those that have dared to comment on Obama already do think him far better than W.  that is very unlikely to change.

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thanks mmhmm ...

[gregintenn]

Jan 15, 2016 17:14:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 15, 2016 1:02:31 GMT -5 @shabbona said:

dj I agree with your statement that most voters judge their presidency on the economy. That's why I'm not a Democrat, I guess. I'm a libertarian, for the record...yeah, I know...lucky me! But I take it you're happy, so I'm happy for you...

of course i am happy!  i went nowhere financially for (8) years under Bush, and i became a millionare under Obama.  why should i NOT be happy?

I just wish he would tell us the truth. An example: yes, 900k jobs were created since he took office, but that's only half the story.

who, Bush?  no, under Obama, over 9 MILLION jobs were created.  10x what you just said.  you must mean manufacturing. 

The rest of the story he failed to mention was that though 900k is a positive, we lost 2M manufacturing jobs alone.

i don't know where you got this.  we have added about 1/2M under Obama, but lost 4M under Bush.  have you ever seen anyone say that in print?  i haven't.  but it is a fact.

In my back of the envelope calculation, that's still a net loss of over 1M.  I'd just prefer the whole (truthful) story, not just the cherry picked parts/slanted and half truthful ones. Unfortunately for me, there aren't a lot of positives I can think of when I think about his time as POTUS.. 

you might see my earlier post.  i think i listed them.  there have been a lot of positives, and some negatives, as well.  but if you were talking about Bush, i agree.  i have trouble remembering any positives.  and yeah, i really mean that.

His legacy will indeed be remembered...

i think it will be remembered quite well.  i am young enough to be around to be shown correct.

If the criteria for judging his presidency is dividing and destroying the nation, then yes, he will be remembered quite fondly.

[tallguy]

The only thing that this President has done to "divide" the country was to be elected.  The right-wing elements in this government pledged before he even took office to destroy him and make as Priority #1 that he be only a one-term president.  Thus the absolute refusal to work with him on anything, all while offering nothing of substance of their own.

I am not an apologist for either the President or the Democrats, but they are miles ahead of what the Republican Party has become lately.  And it is laughable that the extreme-right have the audacity to suggest even for a minute that THEY are the party's base.  They suggest that the Republican Party is not Republican enough.  That is not only stupid, but mind-bogglingly so.  It is THEY who moved.  The "establishment" about which they complain so bitterly IS the establishment precisely because that is where the base has historically been. 

The extreme-right should do the only sensible thing left to them.  Break away and form their own party.  Leave the name behind though, guys.  It does not fit you.  

[dondub]

They are Republicans in name only.