Chemical (WMDs) in Iraq

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

In light of news that has recently surfaced (12 takeaways from the newly released conversations between Clinton and Blair proving that viable chemical weapons existed in Iraq up until 2001, I think it's important to outline that they continued to be viable after 2001.

The first shred is an article for Oct 2014 that outlines instances from 2003-2008 in which American troops encountered them.. The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

Then of course the most damming evidence that viable chemical weapons existed in Iraq comes in the form of the Islamic State using them on Kurdish forces in 2014. Prior to their advance into Syria(just after announcing the caliphate) the Islamic State over ran the facility in Muthana June of 2014. At the time we were told that there was no way these weapons could be used. Barely a month later the Kurds were claiming(which has now been verified) that the Islamic State was using chemical weapons on them.

Now since July of 2014 the Islamic State used their stolen cashe of weapons in Iraq to expand through Syria at a lightning pace and very well could have acquired even more chemical weapons. However, the initial attacks in 2014 would have had to been from Iraq since the Islamic State had yet to over run bases in Syria that had stocked them prior to Obama's deal with, Putin and Assad.

The chemical weapons attack on the Kurds wasn't independently varified until late in 2015 which has caused some confusion on where the initial stock pile was acquired. There were also some further attacks involving chemical weapon through 2015 which may or may not have come from Syria(considering Obama's deal with, Putin and Assad to destroy them...) This is also causing confusion on the initial stock pile that the Islamic State acquired..

The bottom line here, viable chemical weapons have existed in varying degrees and sized from 1991-2015. Pray to God these guys and their Bathist scientists don't figure out how to make their own, because Greece isn't that far from Libya.

Stay all.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Chemical samples confirm Islamic State militants used mustard gas in Iraq, diplomat says

Experts believe that the sulfur mustard either originated from an undeclared Syrian chemical stockpile, or that militants have gained the basic know how to develop and conduct a crude chemical attack with rockets or mortars.

Iraq's chemical arsenal was mainly destroyed in the Saddam era, although US troops encountered some old Saddam-era chemical munitions during the 2003 to 2011 US occupation.

Islamic State 'develop surface-to-air missile technology' with aim of shooting down passenger jets

Islamic State foothold in Libya poses threat to Europe

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Mustard gas is not a WMD.

The US has used Mustard Gas on its own people...

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sulfur mustard is a Class 1 chemical agent, which means it has very few uses outside chemical warfare.

Used with lethal effectiveness in World War I, it causes severe delayed burns to the eyes, skin and respiratory tract.

Next up, an attack on Greece? Lets just keep focused on ourselves though.

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Mustard gas cannot cause widespread death and destruction...

[mroped]

Walk arround in any farming area and you will find enough raw material for a rudimentary chemical weapon. And I'm not talking about a crude bomb but about chemicals that if distilled/combined can have devastating effects.
How is it that we have the right to so many things and most of other nations don't ?
Shouldnt we take care of our own shit before trying to clean everybody else's yard?

What gives us the right to own stockpiles mind you of sarin and nepalm and God knows what other very dangerous chemical and biological materials fit for release and creation of a doomsday but we jump at the tought of somebody else having it?

Is it the proverbial "do as I say not as I do!" or what?

Did the Iraqi have substances that could possibly be used in a chemical warhead? I have no doubt but look around and you will find that everybody does. Yet, from all other countries we picked Iraq to invade.
And by the way, what they have found can hardly qualify as WMD.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

First, please by all means clean up your own house, especially because the majority of the world sees the USA as a morally corrupt entity that is more concerned about if women should wear tops in public than solving actual problems.(The reason the Iran and Pakistan banned Valentines Day celebrations, the reason the USAs flag is burnt all over the world, the reason the Iran is mocking you guys during their most recent parade celebrating the Iranian Revolution )

 Second, you are doing nothing but distracting from the evidence that I have presented in this thread(which is all real, BTW). Useless speculation and conjecture ‎about how they could have obtained chemical weapons doesn't trump verified facts. If you notice, again, this thread is about how the Islamic State has been in control of, and has used chemical weapons on the battlefield(current events).  The concern I had was that they will be able to make their own - or use the ones they have - and attack Europe from Libya(which is the main topic of this thread).

 The experts on the ground are now saying that they could be making their own, which does actually go to one point that you are making; that they could obtain the materials necessary to make their own in a variety of ways. Which should be especially concerning since they are in control of weapons making facilities needed to wepononzie them.‎(where they procured some of their chemical weapons in the first place.)

Feb 15, 2016 11:47:36 GMT -5 oped said:

Mustard gas cannot cause widespread death and destruction...

Used on a large enough scale it can, which is why it's classified as a Class 1 chemical agent, which are part of the NBCs that make up WMDs. (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical). I.E. Sulfur Mustard Gas is a WMD! Try and spin it however you want, you can't move the goal posts on this one.

[mroped]

I was not in fact trying to distract from the evidence. On the contrary I was pointing out that components for the purpose of building a chemical WMD are not as uncommon as we'd think. And with proper training and equipment it is not a long stretch to think that they can be put together! May not be as effective or devastating as OURS but they'll do the job.

The ISIL people could do that considering that they took over some stock piles left by the Iraqi army in their cowardly retreat. They left behind everything that the US government has provided for them to stand up for themselves.
Now if they got their hands on a vehicle(rocket) that could transport the chemical/pathogen over the Mediteranian Sea and hit a target, then that's that!
That might be however a move that they will not wanna make given the fact that none of the European countries will stand for any of the BS that the US goes thru with them.
Hitting an European country with such a thing will rain destruction with no descrimination on the territories occupied by ISIL.
I just hope they are not that stupid but if they are, they best make their peace with God!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

And I agreed with that one point, however, it wouldn't be sulfur mustard gas created with farm or other chemicals... scary thing is it could be worse.

Further, they are apparently developing their own surface to air rockets(BBC article) among other weapons. So, a side point here is that we need to get past the BS that is being fed to us about their small numbers and limited capabilities. Like, these guys aren't just some cave dwelling nut jobs here.

When it comes down to it, it's all about timing. Europe is in so much trouble right now with the millions of people flooding their countries, it's not even funny. There are fences going up everywhere and their free trade zone is breaking down. They may be able to hobble along for another couple years, but soon enough the only thing they will be able to do about all this is worry about self preservation. It's at that point that these chemical weapons, or worse, nuclear weapons(which Putin is deploying way to close to the migration route for comfort) will become a huge problem.

Honestly, with how the last 15 years of this has gone, it's us here in the west that may want to start thinking about making our peace with God, thanking God for everything we have, and start treating our Freedom with the responsibility that it deserves. Freedom does not equal we get to do whatever we want, and flaunt everything, everywhere, all the time. And freedom is definitely not guaranteed. In fact, there has been more time spent fighting for freedom than not, and I for one don't want to see that go to hell simply because of good intentions.