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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 20:11:08 GMT -5
Ok. So I don't really want to call people out specifically or hijack, but I've observed this sentiment being tossed about and wonder how prevalent it is?
So... Do you think the world is all 'f'd up?
Why or why not?
Is is this a new phenomenon, or has it always been all 'f'd up?
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Post by Shooby on Dec 26, 2015 20:12:48 GMT -5
Always. Nothing new under the sun.
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Post by swamp on Dec 26, 2015 20:18:48 GMT -5
Always. We just have the Internet and 24/7 news to discuss it endlessly.
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Post by alabamagal on Dec 26, 2015 20:20:01 GMT -5
World war 1, world war 2 were pretty f uped times to name a few.
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Post by busymom on Dec 26, 2015 20:23:23 GMT -5
It's a mess. I agree. But I think whatever the main problem is, seems to change over time.
Right now I think the main problem is entitlement issues. (Or maybe, the big problem has always been people in power thinking that the world is all about "me".)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 20:25:15 GMT -5
Always. But hope is always too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 20:27:08 GMT -5
Ok. Always. But why do you consider it to be so?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 20:27:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure why this starts twice? Sorry. Maybe combine them..? Thanks!
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Post by giramomma on Dec 26, 2015 20:58:26 GMT -5
I don't know that I would say the world is "f'ed up."
I would just say, we haven't learned our lessons yet. Until we learn the lessons we are supposed to, often we keep repeating history.
But, I also don't remember living in such divisive times. Compromise is a dirty word. Common sense is being thrown out the window in favor of irrational interests. Adults in power seeking to punish adults not in power.
As a parent, I find it hard to navigate/explain all of the above to my kids.
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Post by Jaguar on Dec 26, 2015 22:05:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure why this starts twice? Sorry. Maybe combine them..? Thanks! I combined them for you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 23:26:20 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that we just aren't as modern or civilised as we imagine we are. War, cheating, hunger, stealing, etc etc etc are not things that were done by ancient Neanderthals. It is as present as it ever was. There is also love and good family and friends and people making big sacrifices for others. It's just not as prevalent as we like to think it is and it's always been around too.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 27, 2015 5:22:31 GMT -5
Yes. And yes, it has always been so, albeit not for the same reasons.
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Post by sesfw on Dec 27, 2015 10:30:12 GMT -5
Looking at what is happening in the world today I can think of a couple of reasons why things are as messed up as they are.
1) Faster and more wide-spread communications so we hear about everything almost immediately.
2) More drug use, both medicinal and illegal. I think this is screwing up the DNA/genetic make-up in the long run ............ and in the short run does funny things to the thought process.
Come on people, laws are on the books for a reason. It's simple, obey them .......... and teach your children to obey them. Everything from the speed limits to keeping your hands off what isn't yours.
3) Money talks.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 27, 2015 10:34:45 GMT -5
I think people have short term memories. We forget our history which is why we keep repeating it.
We like to pretend we are more civilized, cultured, educated, whatever than those that came before us.
We're not. It's the same old same old just wearing different clothing.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Dec 27, 2015 10:38:50 GMT -5
...:::"Come on people, laws are on the books for a reason. It's simple, obey them .......... and teach your children to obey them. Everything from the speed limits to keeping your hands off what isn't yours.":::...
This is an interesting point to ponder. While the hardest drugs are illegal everywhere, some of the softer ones aren't. Even in America, legalization has begun. Is it a change in beliefs, a revenue grab, or both?
Money has always talked -- it is just more possible for have-nots to become haves today. I doubt the simpler folk of 200 years ago ever imagined they could achieve much more than they had.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 10:46:17 GMT -5
Drugs were legal before they were illegal, like many other things. Laws do evolve.
Thanks to all who have said some of the why they think so... Most didn't though. I guess that's what I'm most interested in, although it's interesting most seem to agree it's not a new phenomenon. I guess I don't generally think of the world as all f'd up, so was wondering what the main reason people thought it was. I also seem to hear people elsewhere say 'today' , as if it's new, but most so far seem to agree it's not new...
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Dec 27, 2015 14:28:44 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts in reply. It's a difficult feeling to explain. ****************************************************************************************** I am by my very nature, without any effort on my part, a glass half-full eternal optimist. However, in recent years I have become increasingly personally troubled by the disconnection I see -- drive through any town and people are trapped inside their homes or at restaurant tables waiting for food by screens. Parents spend small fortunes on backyard climbing structures and swing sets and basketball hoops and I never see kids using them. Politics -- local and national -- have always had a nasty side, but even in my small town things have gotten so very nasty that folks refuse to volunteer or run for town offices so community involvement is dying off. The gap between the rich and the poor is only widening and the middle class is no longer a comfortable station in life for many, so economic stress drives a further wedge among us. And, maybe it is a product of a more pervasive media, but I often feel that human life no longer has much value. Whether it is gang shootings, or mass shootings, or terrorism, or road rage, or honor killings, it seems the answer now to many problems in life is murder. Remember when it was a BIG deal for two people angry at each other to duke it out with fists and then go home and lick their wounds? Maybe we've always been a species of killers and it is now just more obvious to us thanks to the media. Or, maybe, because we are increasingly disconnected, we no longer develop the emotional tool kits necessary to resolve differences in a less violent way. My sons, 19 and 17, whom I have desperately tried to school in kindness, empathy, service to others, and openness to life, surprised me on Christmas night with some honest assessments of the problems my generation created and/or failed to solve in our lifetimes. Certainly, those feelings are nothing new (says this child of the 60s), but it seems like we just keep passing the buck. As one son so very wisely noted, we stick our noses into the Middle East not because we sincerely want democracy there or have a workable plan for all parties to live in peace and harmony, but because we are so freaking dependent upon their oil (and their opium -- he isn't sure which is truly most in demand). And, yet, while we make weak attempts to find alternative fuels or to make our economy more fuel efficient or to address opiate addiction, we aren't really committed to doing so as a nation. So, he expects his adult life to be marked by continuing strife in the Middle East and the global reach of terror. For what it's worth, I think conflict will always be part of the human condition. And, certainly, the Crusades and the invasion of the Moors into Ireland and other such religious wars mean that groups such as ISIS is simply copying others. But, my kids don't see any hope for a solution. Have we made progress as a species? Sure, medical/social/economic/scientific advances do exist. But, we allow geographic/racial/economic differences to govern who gets access to those advances rather than seeing us all as one people and sharing the wealth. As a species, we are only as strong as our weakest link. Yup, I'm an idealist and I am likely very naive and I may need a good dose of reality. But, it just seems we have so very many wonderful resources of time, treasure, and talent throughout the world that could really bring positive change and it seems to be hung up somewhere/somehow. I'm not sure what the answers are. They are no doubt very complicated because human beings and human relations are complicated. I guess I just thought the human race would be in a better place by this point in my tenancy here on this rock. And, apparently so do my kids.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 14:36:04 GMT -5
Drugs were legal before they were illegal, like many other things. Laws do evolve. Thanks to all who have said some of the why they think so... Most didn't though. I guess that's what I'm most interested in, although it's interesting most seem to agree it's not a new phenomenon. I guess I don't generally think of the world as all f'd up, so was wondering what the main reason people thought it was. I also seem to hear people elsewhere say 'today' , as if it's new, but most so far seem to agree it's not new... My answer to why it is so is on the spiritual side. Learning from history is not something humans do well because history is not something we personally have experienced. We learn from our own experiences and make our choices based on them. And what I consider f'd up about the world is not what everyone considers f'd up. There are people that think that war is just fine, a playing out of Darwin's survival of the fittest. So the "why" comes down to the fact that some people like it this way.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Dec 27, 2015 15:06:08 GMT -5
Drugs were legal before they were illegal, like many other things. Laws do evolve. Thanks to all who have said some of the why they think so... Most didn't though. I guess that's what I'm most interested in, although it's interesting most seem to agree it's not a new phenomenon. I guess I don't generally think of the world as all f'd up, so was wondering what the main reason people thought it was. I also seem to hear people elsewhere say 'today' , as if it's new, but most so far seem to agree it's not new... My answer to why it is so is on the spiritual side. Learning from history is not something humans do well because history is not something we personally have experienced. We learn from our own experiences and make our choices based on them. And what I consider f'd up about the world is not what everyone considers f'd up. There are people that think that war is just fine, a playing out of Darwin's survival of the fittest. So the "why" comes down to the fact that some people like it this way. Well, the cynical side of me says that man-made troubles such as war are merely distractions to keep the lower classes from rising up against the rich.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Dec 27, 2015 19:12:12 GMT -5
Money talks and we don't seem to learn from past mistakes.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 27, 2015 20:29:51 GMT -5
There were some truly F-d up things that happened throughout history.
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Post by souldoubt on Dec 27, 2015 21:49:02 GMT -5
Always. We just have the Internet and 24/7 news to discuss it endlessly. This. Oddly enough I was just thinking about this as I'm watching the CNN series 'The 70's' which is a multi-part series. They did one before on the 60's which was very interesting and this one has been just a good. Anyways one of the parts starts off covering the Manson Killings and someone talking at the intro mentioned how violent the 70's were and someone on an old newscast was saying something to the effect of how it's "getting closer and closer to home." It made me think about the crime shows we watch where you hear about stretches of roads or areas where they've found so many bodies (Killing Fields in Texas and a highway in Canada come to mind) over the years. The difference today is technology and the fact that the moment something happens people are tweeting/facebooking/texting and so on where as back then without the technology you were less likely to hear about things unless it directly affected you or was in your area. Human nature hasn't really changed it's just that now we hear about more of the terrible things going on in the world.
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Post by cronewitch on Dec 28, 2015 3:01:07 GMT -5
Too much news. Also I think it is harder now than ever to get to lower middle class from poverty. Because of the information age a eviction or bad credit can ruin your life and a criminal record is forever. Also no jobs that pay a living wage without something special like talent or education. Used to be you could be a coal miner or build cars with a high school education or less and live in a house supporting children and a wife. Now earn double minimum wage and if you don't have a working spouse you can't support a family even a tiny one maybe not afford a small apartment on 30K. People also want too much while poor, earlier generations of poor people didn't have internet, cable tv, cell phones, cars and student loans so now living on 30K for a family of 4 seems much poorer than it would have been to live on 10K 40 years ago. I was making 85 a week then but married to a union worker making 160 a week so we weren't really poor but drove two junk cars and didn't have tv or other luxury items. Now the poorest people expect internet at home and fancy phones but makes it hard to earn a basic living. Much easier to fall into homelessness from living pay check to pay check because nobody will let you rent without credit and jobs. Another major thing is people aren't raising children in families or working full time with benefits. A single mother of 3 might work 30 hours a week while paying daycare, much harder for everyone.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 28, 2015 9:03:29 GMT -5
ditto what pretty much everyone said. I remember playing outside with the neighborhood kids most of the day on the weekends or summer. Kids don't seem to play out anymore - either because the parents think the kids are going to get kidnapped or badly hurt (which could have easily happened when we were younger) or because our kids need to be in some sort of Mommy and Me music class or in a Minecraft group or something else semi-academic if they're not in school. We're so obsessed with being the best and brightest that we are pushing kids too hard too early in life. Homework in Pre-K, summer school for extra enrichment... it's all too much IMO. Kids can't be kids. And with the 24/7 news cycle, they REALLY can't be kids anymore.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 28, 2015 9:25:52 GMT -5
I can't even get a good espresso anywhere anymore. The world is truly f-ed up.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 28, 2015 9:29:03 GMT -5
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 28, 2015 10:44:20 GMT -5
People's nature never changes, but now everything is oversized.
I am reading through Little House on the Prairie books with my oldest. In one of the books, Laura and her little sister are being bullied by the teacher. Well, the situation gets resolved pretty quickly by the school board. Can you imagine the same today? There would be articles and law suits and Lifetime movie of the week - and that's the best case scenario. The worst? Someone gets shot or otherwise hurt.
So, people's nature didn't change but the tools with which we deal with each other became a lot more dangerous. And no, I am not talking about the guns.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Dec 28, 2015 11:03:55 GMT -5
Ok. So I don't really want to call people out specifically or hijack, but I've observed this sentiment being tossed about and wonder how prevalent it is? So... Do you think the world is all 'f'd up? Why or why not? Is is this a new phenomenon, or has it always been all 'f'd up? Yes, it has always been f'd up. You don't have to go very far into history to find f'd up things happening.
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 28, 2015 17:08:19 GMT -5
ditto what pretty much everyone said. I remember playing outside with the neighborhood kids most of the day on the weekends or summer. Kids don't seem to play out anymore - either because the parents think the kids are going to get kidnapped or badly hurt (which could have easily happened when we were younger) . of course youparents didn't fear that CPS would come and take you away just because you were playing outside unsupervised. Heck, that may even happen now if the kids are just playing in the backyard or across a quiet street in the park. And what are we teaching the future adults with this suffocating, overly negative approach, to life? Will they ever be able to see good in people they don't personally know? The onslaught of news has made us fearful and isolationist and that will only get worse if we don't get a grip. So maybe the question shouldn't be "is the world f*ckedup" but rather "what can we do to get it from being f*cked up worse and what will make the future better than today"?
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